Effects - Poppy tea compared to heroin

[Herbal Healer 019]

How would SWIyou compare Poppy tea (tea or whole grounds) or flaked opium to Heroin?

SWIM has never tried H but knos obviously Poppy tea is more mellow oxycodone like with a long duration whereas H would probably an intense/complete numbness with short duration type of high.

[outtherebrother]

don't want to ruin opiates for swiyself??

stay away from H, it really can be too good..if that makes sense..even just smoking it...it has the rush which no other opiate swim has tried can touch...


pod tea makes one nod and feel warm and tingly, and kind of have a euphoric feeling like morphine gives ...but H just makes one not give a flying fuck about anything at all what so ever, beats orgasm which is scary....which can be very great because nothing bugs but very bad at the same time..trade off's with everything in life man ..so hey rock and roll..or take swims advice and enjoy the fact you still have your nerves that weren't damaged by the first hit....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QjbfztRphk

good song

[Herbal Healer 019]

Yea atmosphere is nice. SWIM has never tried H as he said, nor does he want to try it. SWIM sees the ppl on intervention and on the street & how they are jus completely obliovious to their surroundings & does not see heroin as being a functional/social high.

SWIM just wanted to kno how they compare as poppies contain both morphine & codeine whereas heroin contains diacetylmorphine which seem simular enough. SWIM sees ppl "nodding off" from heroin & has experienced this with high doses of poppies & just wonders whether or not the high is simular.

So really SWIMs question was how do the drugs compare. Thanx 4 the 1 response tho, took a while 2 get 1

BTW, wasnt that music video a scene in trainspotting?

[fiveleggedrat]

It also has a lot to do with the method of ingestion.

Poppy tea tends to be oral usage, and oral usage provides a different type of high than IV or snorted H will. Swim definately knows there is a serious difference in effects between Oral, Intranasal, Rectal, and Swim does not have enough experience, but is sure IV is different as well.

I would say poppy tea is more of a body high, and longer lasting.

[outtherebrother]

IV just gives a more intense rush, obviously straight into the blood stream directly...needles give it the stigma, that 'end of the road' appeal to fall outs and wannab's...in holland lots of ppl smoke heroin, and its considered social..IV users aren't welcomed among the smokers and its considered sad/taboo if one has to inject the stuff..

[herostyle]

SWIM has never tried H himself, but he loves the body high the poppy tea gives and assumes that H is pretty much the same, but INCREDIBLE. It just hasn't been SWIM wanted to try yet, but hes heard the wonders. However, hes heard several bad things as well. Obviously, as mentioned above, it matters the way SWIY uses the drug.

[fiveleggedrat]

It also has a lot to do with previous drug experience. If coming from a high dose oxycodone or fentanyl habit, for example, the poppy tea will likely not be mind blowing. For the opiate naive, poppy tea is probably amazing. Codeine + morphine orally in opiate naive person? Sure!

Swim has yet to find poppy seeds with enough alkaloids to even feel. 2lbs of organic seeds had no effect. Either bad seeds or Swim's too tolerant for what they provide.

Don't go attempting 2lbs either, kids.

[waltz#2]

Originally Posted by fiveleggedrat

It also has a lot to do with previous drug experience. If coming from a high dose oxycodone or fentanyl habit, for example, the poppy tea will likely not be mind blowing. For the opiate naive, poppy tea is probably amazing. Codeine + morphine orally in opiate naive person? Sure!

Swim has yet to find poppy seeds with enough alkaloids to even feel. 2lbs of organic seeds had no effect. Either bad seeds or Swim's too tolerant for what they provide.

Don't go attempting 2lbs either, kids.

SWIM has read some of SWIY other posts and knows that SWIY is unfortunately tolerant of opies. If a SWIMMer is not getting a nod off 2lbs of seeds they are a rare one like SWIY, or they have the wrong seeds. 1lb of seeds and SWIM is in the fetal position being born again, and again, and again...

SWIM went from hydro's to tea and they won't deviate from tea. It's different for everyone, although SWIM doesn't think one could go from H to tea. SWIM's ex said tea was "like H, but without all the good parts." SWIM woudn't know.

[Herbal Healer 019]

Originally Posted by fiveleggedrat

It also has a lot to do with previous drug experience. If coming from a high dose oxycodone or fentanyl habit, for example, the poppy tea will likely not be mind blowing. For the opiate naive, poppy tea is probably amazing. Codeine + morphine orally in opiate naive person? Sure!

Swim has yet to find poppy seeds with enough alkaloids to even feel. 2lbs of organic seeds had no effect. Either bad seeds or Swim's too tolerant for what they provide.

Don't go attempting 2lbs either, kids.

Buy poppy pods, they're more potent & take less grams

[G_nome]

Coming from a former IV heroin user, swim says poppy pod tea is certainly up there. It's the closest swim has got to smack, but he prefers the tea as it's much longer lasting. Plus it's convenient just ordering them off the net as opposed to going to try score off some dealer, and falling in with the subsection of society which tends to happen when one becomes a heroin user.

[herostyle]

Yeah SWIM thinks its great stuff. Even though he has only drank the tea 1 or 2 times. SWIM describes it as an intense body high like being wrapped in a warm blanket.

[NDC1]

I've never tried H, but in my dreams of poppies (TAZ is the best) I've gotten higher than percocet, which is 3 times more potent than morphine. H is only 1.5 to 2 time more potent than morphine, yet poppy tea gets me higher than percocet. There is total body high, and an exciting feeling to it. So much happiness and optimism. Makes you appreciate everything in life that you were taking for granted.

That's why I have no desire to isolate the morphine from the pods -- all those other alkaloids seem to make a huge difference, plus tea is the way nature intended it.

It's smoking, snorting, or injecting that is the big no-no and the instant rush is what you become addicted to.

Of course this is all in my dreams so I don't know what it might be like in your world...

[MantlePicture]

There's no difference between poppy tea and heroin, addiction-wise. When heroin enters your blood, it breaks down into morphine, and that's what gets you high.

The psychological addiction to the rush from injecting heroin may make it slightly more addictive, but the actual dependence is identical(three days of withdrawal, with varying severity depending on how long you've been using). The withdrawal is the same whether you're taking vicodin, codeine, heroin, poppy tea, oxycontin, etc. It doesn't matter whether you plug, snort, eat or inject, it's all the same. In fact, if you are in heroin withdrawal, poppy tea/vicodin/etc will work as a substitute. I know people who have started heroin because they couldn't afford their vicodin habit, and heroin did pretty much the same thing for a fraction of the cost.

I'm rambling, sorry. I just want to stress that just because it's possible to obtain this online and make it in your kitchen, it should not be treated any differently heroin. It's equally addictive, and equally fatal if you take too much.

Also, try your best not to get hooked on any opiate. I have been hooked many times, and now all it takes is two consecutive days to get hooked again, while it initially took me 4-5 days to get hooked. Luckily, I am prescribed suboxone, so I don't have to worry so much.

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"It's smoking, snorting, or injecting that is the big no-no and the instant rush is what you become addicted to."

You couldn't be more wrong. It doesn't matter how you take it, it's equally addictive. I initially got hooked snorting it(which, by the way, gives no rush), then I got clean, and a month later, I started injecting. The withdrawals were identical.

Of course, injecting provides a great rush, which adds to it's psychological addictiveness, but not to any real significant degree. The physical dependence is the same from all opiates, whether it's vicodin, oxycontin, poppy tea, or IV heroin. All of the above metabolize into morphine(except vicodin, which metabolizes into hydromorphone, which is pretty much the same), and it's the morphine that causes the high/addiction/etc.

[chillinwill]

Originally Posted by MantlePicture

There's no difference between poppy tea and heroin, addiction-wise. When heroin enters your blood, it breaks down into morphine, and that's what gets you high.

The psychological addiction to the rush from injecting heroin may make it slightly more addictive, but the actual dependence is identical(three days of withdrawal, with varying severity depending on how long you've been using). The withdrawal is the same whether you're taking vicodin, codeine, heroin, poppy tea, oxycontin, etc. It doesn't matter whether you plug, snort, eat or inject, it's all the same. In fact, if you are in heroin withdrawal, poppy tea/vicodin/etc will work as a substitute. I know people who have started heroin because they couldn't afford their vicodin habit, and heroin did pretty much the same thing for a fraction of the cost.

I'm rambling, sorry. I just want to stress that just because it's possible to obtain this online and make it in your kitchen, it should not be treated any differently heroin. It's equally addictive, and equally fatal if you take too much.

Also, try your best not to get hooked on any opiate. I have been hooked many times, and now all it takes is two consecutive days to get hooked again, while it initially took me 4-5 days to get hooked. Luckily, I am prescribed suboxone, so I don't have to worry so much.

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"It's smoking, snorting, or injecting that is the big no-no and the instant rush is what you become addicted to."

You couldn't be more wrong. It doesn't matter how you take it, it's equally addictive. I initially got hooked snorting it(which, by the way, gives no rush), then I got clean, and a month later, I started injecting. The withdrawals were identical.

Of course, injecting provides a great rush, which adds to it's psychological addictiveness, but not to any real significant degree. The physical dependence is the same from all opiates, whether it's vicodin, oxycontin, poppy tea, or IV heroin. All of the above metabolize into morphine(except vicodin, which metabolizes into hydromorphone, which is pretty much the same), and it's the morphine that causes the high/addiction/etc.

Is SWIY also referring to synthetic opioids?

[drug-bot]

while both contain morphine (heroin breaks down to morphine) and both can causse addiction, they vastly differ in in strength/potency, its like comparing a wine cooler to 100 proof vodka.

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good analogy

[MantlePicture]

Originally Posted by drug-bot

while both contain morphine (heroin breaks down to morphine) and both can causse addiction, they vastly differ in in strength/potency, its like comparing a wine cooler to 100 proof vodka.

True, but both wine coolers and vodka contain the same drug, and being drunk off either is the same. Since people are doing poppy pods to get high, instead of just doing a little for the taste(as one would do with one wine cooler), there really is no difference. You just need to ingest more pods to get you high than you do heroin.

Yes, it's probably much harder to OD on tea than IV heroin, and the rush from injecting is awesome, but they are both equally addictive.

As far as synthetic opioids, the differences vary much more than your common opiates. The only one I really have experience with is suboxone. It takes much longer to get hooked on suboxone(you could probably do it for two steaight weeks without getting hooked). The withdrawal is probably about 30% weaker, but it can last for weeks. As far as methadone goes, I have no experience with it, nor will I ever. It's nastiest shit you could get hooked on; way worse than heroin, with none of the high.

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To be more clear: I know heroin addicts who do poppy tea to eliminate withdrawals. This means there is a very significant amount of morphine in the pods, otherwise they would suffer from withdrawals. So really, there is no difference. If you're doing enough to feel effects, the potential for addiction is identical.

And while it is, in theory, harder to OD on oral morphine than it is IV heroin, there is one catch: it's much easier to judge dosage of heroin than it is the amount of morphine in tea. So I'd say both should be treated with equal care. Trust me, I've been brought back to life twice after ODing on heroin. It's not fun.

[samuraigecko]

SWIM believes there is A LOT of difference.

1] IV is introducing not only the Heroin but all the contaminates (cutters) that are in it strait into the blood stream.

2] IV gives the Heroin immediate access to Opiate receptors without any hepatic metabolism passes. All it needs to do is pass the BBB which it does rather quickly.

3] It does not matter that Morphine is present in both. The fact of the matter is that it is not turned into only Morphine after passing the BBB. This is a common misconception and something missed by most write ups on the subject. After passing the BBB 3,6DAM is de-acetylated at position 3 leaving only position 6 acetylated. This leaves Morphine AND 6MAM. 6MAM is extremely potent and quick, look it up, it is correct.

4] Most addicts SWIM knows gets addicted to the needle itself. Now he knows that this is gonna sound weird but anyone whom has REALLY been an addict will know what SWIM means. They do not just get addicted to the Heroin they get addicted to the "fresh meat f#@k" the act of actually using the needle itself. SWIM knows people are going to say "but putting a needle in your arm by itself has nothing addictive about it" . . if someone says that then they obviously have never done it before. The mind and body associates the act of the needle itself with the dosage. SWIM has seen people whom are in just the first stages of withdrawal inject various things, gel caps of a benzo or some other sleeping tablet etc and immediately they will stop sweating and shaking. The benzo dosage IV'ed does not even have to be big. Just the act of injecting something that they THINK will work . . . works.

5] Poppy tea, while containing Morphine, also contains about 25+ other alkaloids all working synergistically. This produces an effect much different to Morphine itself. This can be addictive in its own way but still not anywhere near as addictive as Heroin because of thefollowing points.
-- An IV shot can hold a high dosage.
-- One would need a HUGE amount of tea to match those dosages.
-- Tea takes time to prepare.
-- Heroin is put in a spoon and injected.
-- Tea does not get out in the veins, therefor no contaminates are introduced directly into the blood stream.

The list goes on an on.
As with anything Tea and any other poppy product needs to be used responsibly. Common sense is always needed and poppy products are addictive and for some people can probably ruin their lives if that common sense does not prevail.

However, saying that poppy tea is as addictive as Heroin is irresponsible. People desearve to know the truth of course, Opium Poppy in any form is addictive, but as addictive as Heroin? One does not think so and he thinks that most others would agree with him.

Again this is not to say that Opium in any form is not addictive, IT IS ADDICTIVE AND SHOULD BE USED RESPONSIBLY AND WITH CARE.

Get high for a reason, an occasion, etc. Dont get high "just because". When people get high every day "just because" then problems arrise. This is when people become junkies, when they get REALLY addicted. If one has an every day habit then one needs to find help and assess their own situation.

Peace and be safe

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good explainations and good job describing the differences

[MantlePicture]

Yeah, I know what you mean about "getting addicted to the needle". I get a rush whenever a needle goes into my skin, before I even push the plunger. It's because your body connects the needle with the high. It's the same with crack and putting a crack pipe to your lips.

And I'm not saying that the high from poppy seed is identical to heroin. That's obviously not true. I'm simply talking about addiction. The withdrawal/addiction potential is the same whether you're doing vicodin, oxycontin, poppy tea, heroin, and hell, even kratom.

Too many people underestimate opiates, and I always hear stupid shit like, "if you snort it, it's not as addictive, but if you start shooting, you become addicted faster". That's complete nonsense. I've become addicted just as fast, whether I was snorting or injecting. Same with vicodin.

"-- Tea does not get out in the veins, therefor no contaminates are introduced directly into the blood stream."

Well, not necessarily. Remember, many people plug the tea, which is pretty much the same as injecting it. Plus, if you know a reputable dealer, you're not likely to get heroin cut with dangerous shit. Yeah, it will be cut, but dealers(mine, at least), don't want their costumers dead.

I've done several opiates, and there is no difference in addiction potential. You may prefer the rush from shooting, which increases the psychological addiction, but physical addiction is identical. Me, as well as many of my former friends(I cut them loose after my second OD) were all hardcore junkies. A buddy of mine, as I said, could eliminate his withdrawals with tea. Anyone who has been heavily addicted knows that if you don't get enough of the opiate in your system, the withdrawal won't stop. So if he was able to use tea to stop the withdrawal, that means there is about as much morphine in the tea as he'd get from a shot of heroin.

The only difference is that IV heroin is more euphoric. I'd guarentee you that if someone did poppy tea for two weeks straight then stopped, the withdrawal would be identical to the withdrawal suffered from a two week IV heroin binge. Nasal heroin is just as safe as poppy tea. Hell, so is IV if you know what you're doing. I have plenty of friends who can do it every once in a while and have no problems. Whether you become a junkie or not is mostly genetics. (You can become hooked without being a "junkie". The difference is, when the withdrawals are done, do you go right back to it?)

But I do agree with you on your last point. This shit is to be respected. I've withdrew MANY times from several opiates, and it's HELL. It's not the worst drug to withdraw from, but it's close. You're sweating like crazy, burning up and freezing at the same time, you have horrible pain in your legs, your skin crawls, and worst of all, you can't sleep for three days straight. If anyone does fuck around and get hooked, try and find a doctor in your area that prescribes suboxone. It's a wonder drug, and while it has dangers of it's own, it allowed me to reclaim my life.

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What difference did you notice between the withdrawal from IV heroin and the withdrawal from poppy tea? And how long were you hooked on each before you stopped? The longer you use, the more severe the withdrawal, obviously.

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"SWIM has seen people whom are in just the first stages of withdrawal inject various things, gel caps of a benzo or some other sleeping tablet etc and immediately they will stop sweating and shaking."

The initial sweating and shaking is only the first stage of withdrawal. Pricking yourself with a needle may make you feel a little better, but it definitely doesn't stop the withdrawal. Believe me, I've tried.

"They do not just get addicted to the Heroin they get addicted to the "fresh meat f#@k" the act of actually using the needle itself."

Definitely gotta disagree there. You're confusing the cause and effect. Your body just gets excited by the prick because it thinks the heroin is coming. It doesn't do anything other than give you an adrenaline rush. Trust me, I initially got really hooked from just snorting. I stopped for a month, and when I picked back up, I started shooting. There was absolutely NO difference between the withdrawals. Actually, they were worse from snorting since I had never been through it before.

I speak only from personal experience, and I've got the scars on my arm to prove it. All opiates are to be treated with the same respect. I've been to rehab, and have seen every kind of opiate addict there is. They all go through EXACTLY the same thing. The difference between poppy tea and IV heroin is like the difference between beer and whiskey. Either way, you're an alcoholic, and beer is just as addictive/dangerous as whiskey. You just need to take more to get the same effect. That's really the only difference between poppy tea and heroin. You just need to take more tea to get the same effect.

[samuraigecko]

If people plug the tea then they are EXTREMELY stupid. SWIM only knows one person that done it, he got VERY sick. He also knows OF a few others whom have done it, all have only gotten sick. This is because you cannot shoot Codeine. One does not think that many people would be stupid enough to shoot tea and if they are they would need to shoot A LOT and they would only be stupid enough to shoot it once.

OK, here is SWIMs point put simply.

Dude #1 plugs a gram a day habit in their arm.
Dude #2 drinks a 5 to 7 pod tea each day.

Who is gonna withdraw worse?

If they want to increase their habit, the guy with the Heroin only has to put more Heroin in the spoon. Whereas the guy with the tea has to steep more pods. This makes for more liquid. For a tea to be as strong as 1gr + of Heroin one would need QUITE A LOT of liquid.

This makes one wonder about those people whom make a habit out of plugging tea. Are they plugging 1 liter or more? one seriously doubts it.

Anyhoo, SWIM has posted many points about him withdrawing. Both from Heroin and Opium and other phama's. He does it regularly to keep his body healthy and to get his tolerance back down. He has been doing this for 20 years and knows well the limitations of both the addiction potential and himself. Each persons addiction potential is different but the cause will be similar.

SWIM has an EXTREMELY hard time coming off Heroin for the following reasons:
The rush is immediate.
The body gets used to that and expects it.
No, it DEMANDS IT.
The dosage is much higher than can be achieved any other way.
The body gets used to such dosages.
Once full endomorphin production has stopped one is in for an extremely hard time.
This is also easiest to achieve with Heroin, One would need a lot of tea at high dosages to stop the endomorphin production in the brain.

With tea:
One cannot achieve the dosages that are achieved with Heroin.
The dosages required would mean that A LOT of liquid would need to be consumed.
One will still withdraw, IT IS ADDICTIVE, but it will not be anywhere near as bad as Heroin.

Then one does not have the other stigmas to contend with, such as the feel of the needle etc. Things that form a habit, not a habit as in substance addiction, but action like having a cigarette in your hand or a bong, crack pipe, tube to snort though etc etc etc. Making tea cannot be an unconscious habit because it is not something instantly done.

Anyone can see that once the line is crossed into IV there is usually no going back. This section does not deal with IV because it is the Opium section and people with the slightest amount of common sense do not try to IV it. One knows that there are people in some countries that supposedly IV Opium, most of this has been found to be incorrect. It is actually crudely refined Opium which is, in fact, exactly the same as . . well everyone guessed it, black tar Heroin. There are instances of people shooting Opium, even a few successful ones . . . lol. A fair number of people actually die from trying.

None of this is intended to insult any IV user. SWIM is himself an IV user. SWIM is just pointing out that there is a HUGE difference in --
Moral implication,
Withdrawal,
Dosage,
Problematic Potential,
etc etc.

Peace

[Herbal Healer 019]

It seems Samarai gecko has plugging confused with injecting intraveniously...Plugging is refering to rectal use...

& when swim first started using poppy tea it gave him unbearable dope sickness that was only alleviated through plugging (rectal use) so actually plugging is an extremely effecient way (avoids nausea & = rapid absorption) of using the tea although def. not prefered due to the amount of liquid & the whole needless syringe up the ass thing.

[samuraigecko]

Well mostly in the street world when people say plugging something, they are meaning in their arm.

Anyhoo the original statement from the previous poster was
- Remember, many people plug the tea, which is pretty much the same as injecting it. -

This was referring to a statement from SWIM saying that contaminates from IV arising from the cutters used in Heroin pose a number of problems. He is saying that this is also present in plugging (rectal version) which is also incorrect.

If taking something rectally the Opiates need to be absorbed through the rectal membrane. To say that these contaminates would go directly to the blood stream the same as IV would be saying that you would also get shit particles in your blood from turds passing through your rectum.

This is, of course, a work of complete fiction. Even the dosages obtainable with rectal administration would still be limited. People often drink 1ltr plus of liquid to obtain the desired effects. Imagine trying to increase that dosage rectally. A massive 2 or 3 ltr Opium Enema!!! . . . One would be DYING for a shit instantly. It just is not practical to hold that much liquid in ones bowels.

Anyhoo . . . thats pretty much it. Most people are goiong to decide for themselves which is worse using common sense.

Peace

[deltakappamuMD]

Originally Posted by samuraigecko

Well mostly in the street world when people say plugging something, they are meaning in their arm.

Anyhoo the original statement from the previous poster was
- Remember, many people plug the tea, which is pretty much the same as injecting it. -

This was referring to a statement from SWIM saying that contaminates from IV arising from the cutters used in Heroin pose a number of problems. He is saying that this is also present in plugging (rectal version) which is also incorrect.

If taking something rectally the Opiates need to be absorbed through the rectal membrane. To say that these contaminates would go directly to the blood stream the same as IV would be saying that you would also get shit particles in your blood from turds passing through your rectum.

This is, of course, a work of complete fiction. Even the dosages obtainable with rectal administration would still be limited. People often drink 1ltr plus of liquid to obtain the desired effects. Imagine trying to increase that dosage rectally. A massive 2 or 3 ltr Opium Enema!!! . . . One would be DYING for a shit instantly. It just is not practical to hold that much liquid in ones bowels.

Anyhoo . . . thats pretty much it. Most people are goiong to decide for themselves which is worse using common sense.

Peace

I'm sure many of you know this but for those that don't...the reason drugs are "plugged" ie administered rectally is because, just like under your tongue, a plexus of blood vessels exists within the RECTAL walls. This plexus or collection of vessels is very close to the surface of the rectum and facilitates rapid exchange of materials from rectum to blood stream. The sigmoid colon (the part of the colon before the rectum) does not contain such a plexus neither does the rest of the colon therefore only small quantities of substances that remain rectally will ever be absorbed into the body. Large quantities simply won't remain in the rectum and will reflux back into the sigmoid or descending colon and very little to no absorption will occur. As an example, every time we defecate, the plexus of vessels in the rectum is so close to the surface that bacteria within our stool, due to the pressure of defection, make their way into our blood stream through the rectal plexus causing a transient bacteremia. I know, freakish.

[Potter]

Gecko: Word up on the addictiveness of needles. Nobody is a trained phlebotomist (they take blood out) and regularly uses needles for temp piercings or recreational veinipuncture (and just keeping their techniques well oiled). Having never shot up anything, they can quite clearly state the needle it self can become quite addictive.

[samuraigecko]

One does not think that is entirely true.
To enter the blood stream via those blood vessels the bacteria would need to be something water soluble just like suppositories or drug powders etc. Ot5herwise the bacteria would stay where it is. Also if fecal bacteria were to get into the blood stream a person would be sick ALL the time. . . Turds are bad mKay.

If it is true SWIM would love to see a link to that information as it is EXTREMELY gross . . lol.

Peace

[deltakappamuMD]

Originally Posted by samuraigecko

One does not think that is entirely true.
To enter the blood stream via those blood vessels the bacteria would need to be something water soluble just like suppositories or drug powders etc. Ot5herwise the bacteria would stay where it is. Also if fecal bacteria were to get into the blood stream a person would be sick ALL the time. . . Turds are bad mKay.

If it is true SWIM would love to see a link to that information as it is EXTREMELY gross . . lol.

Peace

Your thinking is incorrect which is why it's not making sense to you. Your right, bacteria CAN'T get through mucosa. But it can when you move your bowels because the act of even moving a loose stool creates micro tears within the rectal wall and THAT is how the bacteria gains entry. It is such as small number of bacteria that your body's natural circulating immune globulin can easily attach and phagocytose/complement kill before any systemic infections can occur.

This same process occurs when you go to the dentist for a cleaning. The same reason people are put on prophylactic antibiotics when getting even minor dental work...to prevent the streptococcus that lives in your mouth from proliferating within the blood stream and causing infective endocarditis. The bacteria of course enter the bloodstream due to tinkering of the oral cavity.