Experiences - Is this normal, should I consider a 2nd time?

[Xperiment]

well im a male at 230 lbs. we had a little E party at a friends house with about 5 of my close friends. that night two of us tried it for the first time and the other 3 have done it multiple times. it was my first time and at around 2030 i took one buddha (i had eaten about 5hrs before that). at about 2100 everyone was feeling it but myself. at 2245 everyone was rolling except me. everyone suggested that i take a half a pill more. so i took the other half and an hour later still nothing. at this time i was enviouse of everyone's high so i took another half making it two full pills. it was 0200 and i was bored to death and sleepy. so i went home and went right into my bed. right when i shut my eyes i started getting really bad hallucinations of demonic figures. i started getting hot flashes and felt my stomach churning within me. i ended up having a really crappy sleepless night and changed about three shirts cause of all the sweating i did that freezing cold night. i want to know what the hell happened to me that night and if anyone else has experienced this sort of reaction? i dont get it, everyone took the same pill at the same time. the other first timer in the group said he had the most wonderful time of his life. but besides having my pupils dialated, i felt nothing at the party that was out of the ordinary. could it be that my body just did not know how to react to it or i might be allergic to it. cause when i tried weed for the first time, i also did not get high at all, but atleast no bad trip, about three weeks ago i also tried vic's and still nothing. i really had no nervouseness of trying it, i had planned on doing it for awhile and i was pretty excited, but what i ended up having was a crappy night. would u guys recommend trying it a second time? and if yes at what dosage.

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[MindNRA]

There could be a multitude of reasons for your experience. First is you are 230 pounds, probably heavier then most guys. That being said, you still have the same sized brain as the rest so the Xtc part should have affected you equally as others, maybe slightly less.

Second, you may have expected something extraordinary and actually never relaxed, never let yourself feel it.

Third, some people are just not as affected by drugs as others. You may have naturally high serotonin levels or there is a problem where the drugs are not reaching your brain.

Upping the doze beyond two good tables is not worth it. Its a risk and honestly, if it didn't work with how much you had, it probably won't. Maybe ecstasy is not for you, pick another drug say mushrooms or lsd or something else.

I doubt you had alergic reaction to it or you would notice it in a form of allergic reaction - swelling, rashes, etc.

[Fantasian]

Firstly please read up on the rules regarding self incrimination it's very important!

Secondly are SWIYou on any forms of medication at all?
Thirdly are SWIYou sure it was MDMA that was in the pill?

The most likely explanation is either a interaction between drugs you are currently taking or a lack of MDMA in the pill, even though your friends enjoyed themselves you describe that they havnt done it much before, ive seen people who have never tried ecstacy quite enjoy BZP or other horrible piperazine alternatives. IF it was SWIF he would gain some pure MDMA powder/crystal and attempt the whole thing again to be sure.

THere are people however with a naturally high tolerance to MDMA.

[fiveleggedrat]

No, that is not normal.

Sounds like a dirty pill, or Swiy's friends aren't doing MDMA to begin with.

Yes, people who have never had MDMA are often satisfied doing any number of amphetamines, DXM pills, random RC pills, etc, as Swim has seen many, many times.

[Xperiment]

one of the people in the group has been doing it for 4 years at a rate of once a month from the same suppliers. so this person knew what she was getting and whom she was getting it from. i believe this was her 9th E party, and this person said that she has never seen anyone not roll at her parties. the pills where very pure and supposably very potent. she also had a tester.

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i never use medication, have never even taken tylenol. and the pills were very pure.

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i never use medication, have never even taken tylenol. and the pills were very pure.

[MindNRA]

People need to stop answering every question with "it was a dirty pill". EVEN if it was a dirty pill that had DXM, BZP, whatever. He would have still felt different then baseline. Problem is that he felt nothing.

So, you are just not susceptible to drugs as many others are. Why? Who knows man, we still know so little about how drugs exactly affect our brain that its hard to say.

Either A: all/most drugs have little to no effect on you.

Or B: You are not capable of feeling the drugs through method of ingestion.
Question, how easily do you get drunk? If it takes quite a bit to get you drunk too, then it might be the lining of your stomach not allowing drugs to reach blood as easy so prevents drugs from hitting blood barrier.

Have you tried smoking weed? Does that work. If yes then it might confirm B. If that doesn't work well either, more towards A.

Can't say for certain, try other stuff out there and see what happens.

[fiveleggedrat]

Originally Posted by MindNRA

People need to stop answering every question with "it was a dirty pill". EVEN if it was a dirty pill that had DXM, BZP, whatever. He would have still felt different then baseline. Problem is that he felt nothing.

You should reread the OP's post.

so i went home and went right into my bed. right when i shut my eyes i started getting really bad hallucinations of demonic figures. i started getting hot flashes and felt my stomach churning within me. i ended up having a really crappy sleepless night and changed about three shirts cause of all the sweating i did that freezing cold night.

Clearly, he got effects, and was off baseline. Problem is, he tripped balls instead of rolling.

[purplehaze]

Phaze has no clue with mdma but has seen similar reactions to first time dosing with other drugs. Like the first time phazes friend smoked weed he smoked slap out with him and he didn't feel anything. Second time he was so stoned he threw up. First time this person drank alcohol he drank phaze clean under the table and phaze ended the night throwing up and woke up with a hangover, he drank the exact amount phaze did and said he felt nothing.

[Xperiment]

its actually takes me alot of drinks to get me drunk, but weed hits me pretty quick, (maybe two hits and i get hit withing 10 minutes)

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yah i tripped balls, but seven hours later. i think its was more of my body just trying to disgard the pills. but i didnt feel anything from the pills when i really should have.

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yah i tripped balls, but seven hours later. i think its was more of my body just trying to disgard the pills. but i didnt feel anything from the pills when i really should have.

[AngieBoo]

yah i real that sould not be haping to u
just now who u geting it from very well
and even then that dus not help

[purplehaze]

I see you have gotten negative reputation so there is a chance you have already been warned, but just incase you haven't you are breaking the self incrimination rule and need to investigate swim, and the rules page please.

[MindNRA]

If its hard for you to get drunk BUT smoking does work then most likely the lining of your stomach is very think. That prevents alcohol or MDMA from entering the blood before it is dissolved by stomach acid thus only a small portion of the drug makes it through and does not give off the same result.

SWIY mother gets drunk off of one glass of champagne because her stomach lining is very thin.

Fact that you do feel weed very well means your brain is capable of feeling drugs, you just shouldn't injest them through your stomach.

If you are determined to try Xtc, there are two other ways of doing it. Look at the top of the forum if you are that interested. Just warning through, one of them I am squeemish about and wouldn't try but its up to you. Other "snorting" feels a little unpleasant in the nose, very unpleasant actually. And even then I am not sure if it is absorbed through lungs or stomach. If its lungs, you can try, if its stomach then no point.

Can anyone clarify if snorting Xtc, does it end up in lungs or stomach and how its absorbed?

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[fiveleggedrat]

If its hard for you to get drunk BUT smoking does work then most likely the lining of your stomach is very think. That prevents alcohol or MDMA from entering the blood before it is dissolved by stomach acid thus only a small portion of the drug makes it through and does not give off the same result. SWIY mother gets drunk off of one glass of champagne because her stomach lining is very thin.

Please provide a source, or some proof of this. I have never heard this before, and from all my knowledge of everything drug/medical related, this does not make sense.

As for ethanol, body weight and natural tolerances are responsible here. Swim knows people who can drink others under the table even though they technically should not be able to.

Also, I believe the majority of drugs are broken down in the liver. Here's a tidbit of info to clarify that:

Quantitatively, the smooth endoplasmic reticulum of the liver cell is the principal organ of drug metabolism, although every biological tissue has some ability to metabolize drugs. Factors responsible for the liver's contribution to drug metabolism include that it is a large organ, that it is the first organ perfused by chemicals absorbed in the gut, and that there are very high concentrations of most drug-metabolizing enzyme systems relative to other organs. If a drug is taken into the GI tract, where it enters hepatic circulation through the portal vein, it becomes well-metabolized and is said to show the first pass effect.
Other sites of drug metabolism include epithelial cells of the gastrointestinal tract, lungs, kidneys, and the skin. These sites are usually responsible for localized toxicity reactions.

Not to say the stomach is not 100% responsible, but I would wager the percentage is small, especially since alcohol related damage is primarily in the liver.

Fact that you do feel weed very well means your brain is capable of feeling drugs, you just shouldn't injest them through your stomach.

What's the logic here? There are people immune to certain types of drugs, or with huge tolerances to certain classes of drugs, and naturally as well.

Just warning through, one of them I am squeemish about and wouldn't try but its up to you.

If you are referring to IVing, that is highly not suggested for pills. Only pure, extracted MDMA is safe to mainline. Fillers and assorted cuts make street pills even more dangerous than pharmaceuticals. Who wants to IV DXM, or PMA?

Can anyone clarify if snorting Xtc, does it end up in lungs or stomach and how its absorbed?

It ends up in the sinus cavity mostly, and most will be absorbed by veins in there and bypass metabolism, directly to the brain, with a small amount ending up in the stomach and being absorbed normally.

And where it is impossible to judge what the OP was on, from his description is is CLEARLY NOT MDMA.

The OP should find someone reputable and source clean pills, or pure molly even though it's difficult. OP, also look around here for the acetone extraction of MDMA from pills by LeJunk. Swiy could get pills and extract the ingredients. Also, OP, hopefully this nasty experience will inspire Swiy to test their pills in the future.

Swim knows after almost dying from dirty pills, he certainly will be.

[chaos69]

swiC's friend didn't get any effects the first probably 4 times he consumed XTC while others on the same pills did very much so. then one new years eve swiC and swiC's friend double dropped and he rolled hard and ever since then pills have worked fine for swiC's friend. don't know why, just know thats what happened.

[fiveleggedrat]

Certain pills in a batch can be bunk, even if others are real. Pressers have been known to press fake pills, and mix them in with real ones.

[Xperiment]

swima try it once more, but this time swill save it for a rave. if swi dont die from it this time, then swill post swmy experience, thanks for all the advice swim greatful.

[MindNRA]

Originally Posted by fiveleggedrat

What's the logic here? There are people immune to certain types of drugs, or with huge tolerances to certain classes of drugs, and naturally as well.

If you are referring to IVing, that is highly not suggested for pills.

First I was not referring to IVing, I was refering to snorting and plugging because in theory those two methods can bypass the stomach.

If his pills were dirty, he would have felt affects of meth, speed or whatever they were dirty with. Just like his friends did. Key here is that his friends felt the drugs, whatever those pills where and he didn't. Even after taking twice the doze they had.

Yes, some people do have huge tolerances to some classes of drugs. But why? There has to be a physiological or chemical reason for it. It is either in the brain or its in the delivery system to the brain. Brains of most individuals are similar in at least the fashion that they function. If it is his brain then it has something to do with his seratonin levels.

Here is the problem with assuming that its the brain. Even if his seratonin levels remained unchanged, the amphetamines would have still acted as an upper to his CNS so he would have felt lots of energy. He mentioned being sleepy? Sleepy if he ingested any form of amphetamine? Even if his brain did not allow Xtc to affect his SRI, he would still not feel sleepy. At least he would have felt energized, like taking a bunch of vitamin B and drinking coffee. Question for experiment: does drinking coffee wake you up?

So the problem must be in the delivery system to the brain and to the CNS. I am probably quite wrong in saying that it is due to thick stomach lining but there are people who get drunk off a literally, one beer and they do weight quite a bit. Which suggest that their low tolerance is unnatural and has to be as a result of liver or stomach. My mother always blamed it on the stomach because that what some doctor back in the Soviet Union told her a long time ago. Frankly I know its anecdotal evidence at best but you also do not have an answer.

His problem MUST lie in the delivery system to his brain. Whenever it is due to liver or stomach or other barriers, I don't know.

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For Experiment, I would recommend his SWIY eat one and if he doesn't feel it then snort the second one and see if that will produce reaction. I snorted Xtc once, its not pleasant but for experimental sake, it would be worth it. I am sorry if I am sort of suggesting you be our human lab rat but for sciences sake man, it needs to be done

And you should report back if it works.