Effects - What could this possibly be?

[toeknee]

Swim's girlfriend took 1 tab of ecstasy last night at a rave, about 30 minutes later she got a very unexpected and a horrible 6+ hours of horrible effects.

Swim noticed when it hit her, she seemed not herself at all. Lost, confused at what was going on, so swim took care of her. Swim's gf said she was hallucinating and couldn't tell what was real or what was a hallucination. She then started to have horrible short term memory loss, to the point swim would ask her a question and 2 minutes later ask if she knew what we were talking about 2 minutes prior and she had no idea. This short term memory loss went on for about 6 hours until she fell asleep and Swim watched her closely for a while just to make sure she was okay. Then more thing's started happening right as she shut her eye's she immediately started dreaming. Her hand would push on swims chest all her fingers, swim woke her up to ask what she was dreaming about and it was a calculator. This continued all night so swim just continued to make sure she didnt get up and hurt herself. Now, about 12 hours later she is having spasm's as she is starting to sleep.


Could anyone help swim in and give him any ideas what chemical could have made swims gf like this?

Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks

toeknee added 61 Minutes and 56 Seconds later...

Here's a little bit more info.

Swim has tested the pills which were taken before this last one was taken. MDMA/MDA mix, she had 3 of them within a 4-5 hour time period. The last one looked to be from the same batch as the one swim tested. So my only conclusion is an anxiety attack from too much mdma/mda.
Also the other side-effect's don't really match up to my conclusion?

[Nargyle]

It could be anything, only a test could determine what was in that pill, otherwise it's only speculation

[MindNRA]

Or it could be reaching toxicity levels on MDMA, I mean 3 pills is serious business if they were potent enough. Could also be variety of other substances but I can't really tell you much.

If you are really interested, go on http://www.ecstasydata.org/ and look through the chemicals that they found OTHER then MDMA. Then research each one and find your similar effect.

And a test won't determine anything unless you send it in and to a GSMS test yourself, both unlikely scenario's. So unless you have more of these pills that you can send one in for a test, I would do some serious trial and error research.

[MindNRA]

I just looked into some of it for you. I am assuming your GF had Xtc before so she is not allergic to it. If she has never tried it, that could be the case.

Meth can be hallucinogenic in nature but to be potent, it has to be smoked. A lot of pills contain some Meth so I doubt it would cause such a severe reaction.

5-MeO-DiPT - hallucinogenic in nature but not to extent you describe. Possible if overdozed on it (its high doze is 30-100 mg, much less then XTC so 3 tables could do it easilly) but I still doubt it.

It could be combination of BZP, TFMPP and MDMA which in duality can produce very unpleasant severe effects. BZP and especially TFMPP at overdoze levels is hallucinogenic.

Also look into DXM, PCP, ketamines. There is tons of things it can be, if you really want to know , you need to start reading.

MindNRA added 7 Minutes and 55 Seconds later...

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/pcp/pcp_effects.shtml

PCP.

Duration of drug 4-6 hours - fits.
Negative side effects can be:

• Disturbing hallucinations and/or delusions
• Severe anxiety, paranoia
• Severe dissociation, depersonalization
• Ataxia (loss of motor coordination)
• Severe confusion, disorganized thinking
• Psychotic episodes 1
• Physical aggression
• Nausea, vomiting
• Temporary amnesia
• Severe distortion or loss of auditory/visual perception
• Decreased heart rate, blood pressure, and respiration (high doses)
• Seizures (high doses)
• Hangover including dizziness, numbness and lethargy; may last 24 hours or more
• Coma (high doses, increased risk when combined with depressants)
• Possible neurotoxicity (controversial) 2

Combined with the fact that she was not ready for a hallucinogenic experience, its quite possible thats what she had.

[PsychoActivist]

It would be very hard for any of us to tell. As Nargyle said it could be anything. The part about here having hallucinations that she could not decipher being real or not and the part about her spasming while falling asleep leads me to believe it could have very well been an anticholinergic deliriant such as Atropine, Scopolamine, or Hyoscyamine.
Check out these links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anticholinergic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deliriant

Again it could have been anything but this is what came to mind when as I was reading the post.

[MindNRA]

You also have to remember that Ecstasy in its nature is hallucinogenic, just like LSD but not as obvious. I am relatively perceptive of reality changed so when I take a good MDMA tablet, I do get mild LSD like visuals. I have never taken more then two tabs in my life so if you go as far as 3-4, its quite possible to reach the level where even pure ecstasy can cause such effects.

Reputation Comments on this post:

Don't self-incriminate!

[toeknee]

Swim thanks you all very much for the information.

The effects have now all subsided with time which is good. Swim thinks that her 3rd tab may have hit her at the same time as her 4th making her peak alot more than she had planned. This causing alot of confusion and anxiety for her, as well as MDA causing hallucinations.
Swim will definitely be check a bit more on all the suggested chemicals.

[Micklemouse]

Can I ask what tests were done to determine that the pill was a MDMA/MDA mix?

[toeknee]

Marquis Reagent: Purple
Mecke Reagent: Blue
Simons Reagent: No Reaction

Reputation Comments on this post:

Good on ya for using the kits, would recommend a little more homework though!

[Micklemouse]

That does not confirm the presence of MDA I'm afraid, but only MDxx (i.e MDMA & similar substances), although it is interesting that Simon's gave no reaction...

Everything posted so far indicates an overdose of MDxx, by which one should read a large amount taken in a short amount of time. It is worth taking into account the fact that MDMA metabolises into MDA, which could account for the hallucinogenic experience. An overdose of MDMA would account for the short term memory loss, especially if combined with alcohol.

Anything more without GC/MS (Gas Chromatography/Mass Spectrometry) analysis is pure conjecture at this point, & strays into the realms of pill I.D..

There are active pill i.D. sites which unfortunately we are not able to link to which might be worth a look, but remember to take into account the time & region specific nature of the beast.

Glad things have settled down for your friend - a break from pills is very much recommended at this juncture.

[toeknee]

Swim did in fact check a specific pill id website before consuming and testing the pills myself. Other's had similar test results as well as experiences which indicate an MDXX experience.

Thank you for your time and effort.

Swim and SwimGF consume on special occasions, about every few months. Swim will definitely take this as a lesson learned.