I got my game face on 600mgoxy RIGHT TO 16mgs SUBS

[Gappa]

I am not incriminating myself and if you think I am breaking the rules refer to ME as my clone.
I had taken methadone for many months and wanted off bad. The clinic didn't want me off and denied me subs once already. They said I had to wait and go down slowly which as we all know never happens.
My clone was taking 100mg mdone up until 2 weeks ago and went to oxycontin to get that stuff out. I know full well mdone lingers for a long time and oxy goes right out. But it took 60 80s to last that long.. I have a scrip so it is all legal.
I went in this morning and demanded to be put on subs. They were extremely dissagreeable about it. Tested + for opi... Of course last night 10pm was my last 80 crushed of course. I knew it would precipatate withdrawl but I just said I will grin and take it on the chin.
SO THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DOSE SUBS WITHOUT WAITING
I took the first half 4mgs and waited while they watched me to make sure I wasn't going to die or anything. Then I took the other 4mgs and headed home.
I felt very strange at first.. I got a wicked ringing in my head but didn't feel bad. Maybe a few goose bumps.
When i got home the first two hours were almost unbearable I laid in my bed in convulsions with a fan I turn on and off as the hot flashes came.
All of a sudden after 2 hours I felt better. Not perfect, but it was a sudden change from agony to OK.. I'm cool..
SO if you can stand two hours of HELL you will be just fine.
My metabolism is very fast though so maybe that has something to do with the rapid turn around.
It was a pretty wild ride as the opiate molecules were torn off my receptors.
5 hours I took my 2nd 8mgs and I feel pretty good. Not like lets go run a marathon but I am cool.

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	Don't know why someone else has slated you for this. I think this is a good post, and I wish you all luck with the detox...

[Dickon]

In Lapland a seal was chasing polar bears because it was hungry. As I stared from space with my Gestapo binoculars, I thought I saw the following tattoo on the seal:

What is it with addicts! I think we're all such paradoxes. Seemingly spending most of our days looking for ways to avoid pain, and yet ending up doing things like the above. Please don't think I'm being nasty or critical, I'm just seeing myself, and laughing at self-recognition in another!! I've never done quite that thing, but I have done an equally stupid one, viz precipitating w.d.s with naltrexone. OK the habit was minor at the time, and I started by nibbling a 1/10 of a pill or so. But as the effects didn't appear quickly I ended up gobbling down about 1/2 pill in all (I think for the technically interested it was a 50mg pill). It was a fairly similar horror story of thankfully brief duration! I think the worst part was when all the opiates started to be sucked out of my body, and I had a kind of electric tingling unlike any normal w.d. It was like I was being dragged underwater, with no idea how long I'd be there, or how far down I'd go. Some part of me managed to retreat into my "storm shelter", knowing there was nothing to do but ride it out. Memory becomes faded after that, but I survived!

I like your style. Fuck the medical profession, what do they know? [Please everyone, don't listen to me about this, I am reckless and lucky to be alive, but I do things my way. It's NOT a virtue, but it is a fact.] It sounds to me as if someone who may or may not be Gappa, has the right attitude. "I've got my game face on". Good for you! You'll need it - trust me. Plough right on, and for God's sake don't take 11 days on the sub, take 10, that's your plan. I don't know if you read as far as my "Plan" ramblings in "screaming", but adherence to one's own plan is a great self-esteem builder and confidence increaser.

I'm into day 14, and guess what? Last night I got 7-8 hours goodish sleep for the first time. I'm eating and am over all but the nigglingest sub-w.d.s. My biggest problems are slightly odd-feeling shoulders and cold hands and exhaustion. Big woop!

I'm afraid I can't tell you the mechanisms of a buprenorphine taper, but there are some who claim a 10 day bupe taper is painless! It's a good thought to cling to even if it's all lies. When I cut down my methadone from 225mg to 5mg I said to myself that's 97.78% of the problem solved. In truth it was closer to about 20-50%. Sure the w.d.s were nothing compared to my 200mg day 1,100mg day 2, 0mg thereafter +10 day benzo taper fiasco in rehab, but the duration of the w.d.s does not seem significantly less. I think in rehab by 4 (maybe 5) weeks in I was good to go (OK it took a year or so to fully throw the Benzo w.d. anxiety, but I lived with and at times even enjoyed the nerviness). Anyway neither you, nor I are living through that particular delight! So, even if it wasn't you who survived it, I think it's a very edifying lesson in what can be achieved! We are tough, much tougher than we usually give ourselves credit for.

I think you have a good shot. I didn't hear any whinging, coercion (always an all but sure sign of failure) blaming etc. It seems that you, just like me, off your own bat got sick of it and decided to do something about it! I'd stake a small something on your success. Don't know why, something about you reminds me a bit of myself. Don't worry!! There's no chance in hell we are scary identical twins. If there's anything I can help you with other than what's on "screaming...", just ask by PM or in the forum.

I live to help others get through this as it helps me stay strong!

Dr D [undaunted]

[Gappa]

Oh yea, I woke up this morning and felt so-so. (yes I did get 5 hours sleep) I just have this wicked ringing in my head. And no it's not telling me to use. I went in to the clinic this am and took the 8mg. I have to keep telling myself I feel good and I do.
I am using nothing not even clonidine I do wish my clone had picked some up but I am doing good without. Dr D. Many have proclaimed you "mental" on here but after pushing through you seem quite an intelligent person. That often is quite a fine line between insanity and eccentricity... no?... It has really inspired me, I have to say. I have two young boys and that and God are my driving force. There are many things happening in this world today that are really scaring me. The situation here in the US is getting shaky at best. So if I deal with myself first I will be miles ahead.
I am well voiced now on the saturation times of certain drugs and how they affect the body and mind. I THOUROUGHLY AGREE a 10 day taper is better than 14 and an 8 day drop is even better. The shorter the extent in saturation the less time the withdrawl. This is the real world and there is no "painless" way. think about all those times curled up with that cheesy junk grin scratching your face off.
I made up a song for everyone. I do live in S. carolina so it's quite fitting.
Way down yonder in the land of cotton. Scratch your face till it turns rotton.... Sniff away sniff away in Oxy-land.
I had the fun now it's time to pay. Now I need to make it just another day!

All I can do is take my medicine and keep my chin up. For me I guess there is no magical light at the end of the tunnel. If I keep thinking oh yeah I will be completely better in a week or a month. That's what I think NA talks about when they say "one day at a time"

Gappa added 3 Minutes and 14 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by Gappa

Oh yea, I woke up this morning and felt so-so. (yes I did get 5 hours sleep) I just have this wicked ringing in my head. And no it's not telling me to use. I went in to the clinic this am and took the 8mg. I have to keep telling myself I feel good and I do.
I am using nothing not even clonidine I do wish my clone had picked some up but I am doing good without. Dr D. Many have proclaimed you "mental" on here but after pushing through you seem quite an intelligent person. That often is quite a fine line between insanity and eccentricity... no?... It has really inspired me, I have to say. I have two young boys and that and God are my driving force. There are many things happening in this world today that are really scaring me. The situation here in the US is getting shaky at best. So if I deal with myself first I will be miles ahead.
I am well voiced now on the saturation times of certain drugs and how they affect the body and mind. I THOUROUGHLY AGREE a 10 day taper is better than 14 and an 8 day drop is even better. The shorter the extent in saturation the less time the withdrawl. This is the real world and there is no "painless" way. think about all those times curled up with that cheesy junk grin scratching your face off.
I made up a song for everyone. I do live in S. carolina so it's quite fitting.
Way down yonder in the land of cotton. Scratch your face till it turns rotton.... Sniff away sniff away in Oxy-land.
I had the fun now it's time to pay. Now I need to make it just another day!

All I can do is take my medicine and keep my chin up. For me I guess there is no magical light at the end of the tunnel. If I keep thinking oh yeah I will be completely better in a week or a month. That's what I think NA talks about when they say "one day at a time"

Saturation time is critical with subs I know this but would anyone that has had a similar experience going from high doses of MD straight to MD and how long it took for the MD to "no longer have a saturation effect"

Gappa added 10 Minutes and 18 Seconds later...

And by taking my medicine I am in no way referring to the devils fodder.
My medicine now is the agony I have brought to myself.

Gappa added 3 Minutes and 48 Seconds later...

Sorry I had written above MD TO MD. I meant from MD straight to subs..

[Dickon]

Originally Posted by Gappa

Dr D. Many have proclaimed you "mental" on here but after pushing through you seem quite an intelligent person.

I want names and addresses please!!! lol. Ah bless. Little lambs, let them think what they like of the good doctor! He's the one walking down the street laughing his head off and punching the air! I'm as intelligent as you want me to be (from being classified as educationally subnormal to being an Oxford Scholar and having a PhD in pure mathematics). My wife has a great take on the subject of madness (but bear in mind she did chose to marry me, which says something. I'm laughing. Thanks Gappa. Such a great quote!); she thinks that the only sane ones are the ones who manifest their madness as it comes upon them, rather than trying to hush it up, and pretend to be normal for fear of what the neighbours might think! It's a good idea. Serial killers always seem to make good neighbours.

People may think I'm crazy, that's fine. But, being serious for a second (I'm finding that quite hard!), I'm walking the walk. I'll be 14 days away from something I'm not going to self-incriminate about as I'm not coverered here. In a completely abstract and unrelated sense, 225mg of methadone is a fair daily dose to come off. I'd tend to be somewhat sceptical of Mr (Mrs Miss Dr Sir Prof etc.) Sane going through w.d.s. I've had something of a battle on my hands these last weeks as I'm sure you can appreciate, and for me, surreal humour is as good a way to cope with these trenches as I know. It won't me do me any good to get my Whinge on, or my Failure head on. So, I fight the best way I know how, and if that comes across as madness. Good. It's a useful lesson. You too may be stretched over the coming days, and if you're still able to say "Why thank you so much. Could I trouble you for a smidgeon of salt" well good for you!

I like the song too. Keep writing creatively it's a good way to deal with all the feelings that will come up over the next weeks/months. I'm with you in believing that the piper must be paid, but it's maybe best to pretend that there's an effortless way to quit. Be proven wrong sure, but it makes the early days easier if you think it's going to be painless. I tried to kid myself that by cutting down from 225 to 5 jelly-beans a day, I'd nearly conquered my bean addiction. It wasn't quite true, but it helped me through the early bean-less days, thinking it wouldn't be long before I'd quit the habit. It's dragging on a bit longer than I thought, but every day is getting better now, and not a jelly-bean in sight! "One day at a time" is a useful-ish thing if you can spin it right. It's kept me going before.

Do what you have to, and be crazy if it helps. Be sane if it helps. I hope it all goes really well, keep posting, and who knows, maybe in your ramblings you'll learn stuff, like I do! I'm sure all the pure spirits here are sending you good vibes. Take care of yourself

Dickon

[Gappa]

I got a call from an old friend today and he reminded me of something we used to do.
We used a Jack LaLane juicer and juiced fresh raw veggies and drank their juice. Something about the fresh raw juice with the enzymes just gives you an all round natural high that is UNREAL. That's gods medicine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My wonderful wife just cooked up a pitcher as I am not so hot right now. Juicing is a rather advanced thing that is somewhat hard for many "heads" to stomach. It comes from my bodybuilding and MMA fighting days. I find it hard to believe I had come from 6' 250lbs solid monster(my nickname was "The Beast") to can't move from the sofa and sleeping half the day.
Damn D I feel quite good now actually xcept for this low grade headache and this damn ringing in my head. my clone did secure some clonidine today. A few of those and I was nailed to the bed. I'm not sure lowering your blood pressure to induce sleep is at all healthy. I did sleep great for 4 hours then after a few more about 3 more hours.
DOES ANYONE KNOW THE PITFALLS OF CLONIDEDE AND IF IT CAN BE DANGEROUS??
I have the .1mg tabs. I mean my clone has them in his possession and is kindly holding them for me.lol

[Dickon]

Clonidine lowers blood-pressure. It is recommended that you monitor your b.p. if you can to make sure it doesn't get too low. You can get a fair idea of this, I think, by seeing how woozy you get if you stand up quickly from lying down, but it's best to get a b.p. monitor if you can. It's pretty safe, but keep the doses small, and build up as needed. I had clonidine 0.075mg and 0.15mg. I don't think I took more than 2-3 0.15 pills except for one night when I might have taken as many as 8. I worked on the assumption that I'd take one pill, wait an hour (or try to, the exception being the one bad night) and see if I felt better, and take another if I didnt, etc. etc.. I think the normal method is to take the things four times a day. Possibly start with 1 pill four times a day and see how you feel. But 2 or 3 pills 4-times a day is well within safe limits. The maximum recommended dose in humans is 2.4mg (this is a ceiling dose I think so absolutely no point going higher). You are a lot bigger than me so might need more. However try to take as little as you can because it will completely and utterly wipe you out. It is not a pleasant medicine to take, but it is brilliant at helping with some of the w.d.s. Also stop over a coupld of days gradually. The reason for this is to revent rebound hypertension. Sounds like you're basically reasonably fit, so this shouldn't be a problem. I'm just stating what is suggested in the medical literature. You can always google it if you want to find sources (of information that is not the kind that will get me bollocked on here!) If you do it my way (which is of course not-recommended medically as far as I know), chances are you'll build up and taper down naturally. I never took the pills except at night, and I've always found the nights far harder than the days.

I'm impressed with the vegetables, I don't think even clean I'd like that kind of thing. Now blend up some fruit and that's a totally different story. All I can say is if you are able to stomach it, it's a really good sign. I don't know if you can put the martial arts training to use. My worst detox was before I'd done any martial arts, and I think I already had a kind of focus or determination, even if I didn't know it. But this is a fight. It's just not like any kind of sparring or street-fighting in that the fight is won by a special kind of inaction (not using drugs!). Be strong, and best of luck yet again

Dickon

[Gappa]

The clonidine has made me barely able to move this morning but is actually welcome from the writhing I was doing before. I do feel rather good today. No headache just that damn ringing in my head. No it still is not asking me to use! Just feels like I got hit in the head with a hammer. The Juiceman juices we make have got to have plenty of apples along with spinach and beets, cantelope, carrots and celery.. It is plenty sweet. It tastes like one of those store bought fruit juices except much richer, they are usually very sweet. I can't stomach some of the more vile advanced versions such as with kale or broccoli hearts. I used to with my MMA instructor but deff not at this time.
I will start the taper tomorrow 16mgs subs to 8mgs

Gappa added 41 Minutes and 19 Seconds later...

I did 16 split fri,sat and today which is sunday. By friday I will be on my last dose. I wil do 4+4mg split tomorrow the same tuesday. Wednesday 2+2mg, Thursday 1+1 Friday .5+.5 and try to walk off completely on Saturday. If I get in trouble Saturday .5 and walk off on sunday

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I agree with everyone the sooner I get off the subs the better. 8 to 10 days max. even sooner if possible

[Dickon]

A hypothetical trilobite dreamt a strange dream about a singing ostrich, who sang....

You really are going to need your game face on to do it that quickly! I'm impressed. I think with the clonidine it's going to be ok. You will feel so much better in 2-3 weeks, compared to the usual moaners and whiners who take forever to quit, and then don't even quit at all! The benefit of an icky withdrawal is that it makes you proud and gives you a reason not to pick up again (I don't want to go through THAT again!). I think you're taper is in principal quite good, in that it's always easier to cut down at the begining than at the end. I'd be really interested to know how it goes, as you've tapered so much more quickly than I did. My only day of halving the dose was the 10mg to 5 mg drop before jumping off.

Keep up with the updates, it's really good to know of others getting off this shit. I've just gone for a 2 hour afternoon nap. So that brings me up to 8-9 hours for the last 24. I'm still shaking off the tail of this bastard, even though I'm half way through day 15 now, but it's easy, just irritating, like having a slight cold or something, where you don't quite feel right all the time, although that is interspersed with moments of feeling great!

Keep on truckin' and visualize pummeling your monkey/beast/favourite personification of addiction! Remember your monkey is quadraplegic, all it can do is convince YOU to take drugs. If you want to let off steam find the "Smack the monkey hard" thread in the same place as this one. I started that as a place to be nasty and abusive to that monkey. It's good for the soul and it's funny too! Show him who's boss!

I'm sending any extra strength I have to you over the ESP-net, and still have my money on you.

All the best

Dickon [Doctor of sleep. 'Bout bloody time eh?]

[Gappa]

Becoming versed on your particular "monkey" is probably your best weapon. I took 2 weeks off the methadone by going on oxy knowing that MD would be the difficult one to kick. I went COMPLETELY off OXY before with GREAT EASE using a fast SUB taper. The wildcard this time is how much MD will still be lingering after 3 weeks and how much difficulty will it present when I finally walk off completely in a few days.
My wife is a little agitated at my lethargy right now but all I had to say was "would you rather me just go back on the MD" and that fixed that one. I realize this is just as hard for her having to take care of me and 2 kids.

[Dickon]

Having a loving wife is a godsend in this game. I'm one kid behind you but essentially I've had to curl up like a second baby for a while. I've always tried to help with little things when I could, I'd recommend it; make her a cup of tea once in a while, or tell her you love her, or whatever makes her happy. She is your #1 ally over the coming weeks, don't forget that. Be demanding if you need to be, but it will be tough for her, so let her know how much you appreciate it. Imagine if she left and you had to look afteryourself and the children. It would add quite a serious level of difficulty! My wife has found it quite difficult, as I'm usually really actively involved with the baby and helping out about the house. But yesterday and today I've been able to be more helpful, although after this morning, I've just gone back into vegetable mode. As for the methadone, I think 3 weeks will be enough to get all but all of it out of your system. If you think about it methadone has a 1/2-life of about 24 hours. So 21 days is 21 half-lives, so you'll have about one two-millionth of what was in your system when you stopped taking it (roughly twice you're last dose). So I'd not worry about it. a millionth of your last dose is not a lot! Give it 10 more days and that will drop to a billionth etc!

I don't know if you're like me, but one thing I have done on previous w.d.s (from cake) is get quite nasty and psychically violent. It's not really happened this time, but in the past when I got nasty (I saw this as a side-effect of determination) my wife hated it. If you get like this it might be worth going out for a bit and letting off steam. I may be mentioning a totally personal phenomenon as I've not really seen it in others.

It's all good, especially when it's bad,

Dickon

[Gappa]

You mean psychologically violent?
I feel quite good now just no energy and I believe much of that is to do with the clonidene. I'm still having some oven door hot flashes, man they suck balls. I hate heat being from the more northerly hemispherical locations. The cold flashes I actually like those.

[Dickon]

I mean psychically violent as in feeling and thinking violence rather than actually perpetrating any, and I would act a bit strangely and show my nasty side verbally. Not directly to anyone I cared about, I suppose it's more just being weird! If it's not happening don't worry about it! Just be nice to your wife. Take care! I'm off to bed soon as once again I'm shattered. Keep posting, and fight the powers that be!

Dickon

[Gappa]

I was watching movies and wasn't really paying attention and after the 1st "Ironman" it was pretty good. I started feeling sicker by the minute after 8pm. no doubt the subs have taken over and are shielding me from the worst of the sickness. I am starting to see how everyone claims it an "miracle" medication. 20 minutes later a clonidene and I feel great again. I am wondering how I will fare tomorrow on 8mgs down from the 16mgs I took today. Any advice?? I'm just glad I own my business and I'm not obligated to go to work. I can take as long as I need to get well and don't have anyone breathing down my neck.

[Richard_smoker]

sounds like the ringing tick-tock of inevitability... very good.

bupe is a godsend, as you've probably already found. but i caution against tapering too aggressively.

here''s your delimma--in a nutshell.
1. although you've switched medications to a totally different behaving opiate, you must remember that your body must run the course from your original addiction. I would suggest continuing the 4mg split for at least 2 weeks to allow yourself to completely shake the oxy. After that, you can begin to taper off the buprenorphine. i think you'll be pleasantly surprised at how easy it is to get off bupe. compared to oxy, a rapid taper from bupe is like a walk in the park.
2. warning: there is a problem with using the above-referenced plan as a 'crutch' to getting off your oxy habit. Please read this several times so that it will sink in deep into your subconscious awareness: there is a VERY high risk for relapse after a rapid buprenorphine induction and taper. why? if you do it correctly, your body should be able to take the transition to complete sobriety with VERY LITTLE effort or pain. in fact, you've probably already been thru the worst of it during the oxy -->to bupe transition.

keep up your efforts. my monster experienced rapid bupe induction and rapid tapers several times before finally becoming 'addicted' to the bupe. Trust me when i say that you definitely do NOT want to go down that road! If you find yourself taking this medicine for longer than 2-3 months, you might need to string the taper out to an additional 3-4 months.

Just remember that anything this powerful DEFINITELY has a bad side! If you do find yourself being drugfree for a while and then tempted to revert to oxy or bupe, i'd have to suggest the bupe as there's no doubt that it leads to a MORE positively-adjusted life-style, and i'd have to say that after a while, sober living is not much different than being on chronic bupe administration.

-DICK

[Gappa]

I have done it before with a quick taper. I was off completely for a long time and being a total dumbazz I invited the monkey back in. I really want the feeling of being totally drug free again, I mean really bad. How long is the threshold of actually becoming addicted to subs? The way I understand it, the faster you can do it and your body can tolerate the drop in dosages the better off you will be. I have also considered after the worst is done and I have effectively walked off using Naloxone to assure my success.

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Dick I have heard some horror stories from people who are addicted to bupe the same as any other opiate. Nothing like Mdone I'm sure but just as bad in a different way.

[Richard_smoker]

yeah, i didn't want to really bring it up... hate to be the bearer of negative news, but yeah, bupe addiction is probably the biggest monster i've ever seen, all in all...

but that might just be because there hasn't been much information (good data) released yet that details successful techniques of tapering/kicking. and, i guess even if the information is out there, it seems that each addict has his own interpretation of information out there on being 'clean.' that seems to be due to the immense fears associated with living without opiates...strange, i know. but true.

i guess that the decision to use naltrexone is a personal decision. i can see where it would certainly be helpful, as buprenorphine itself acts as a powerful opiate blocker...and if ya notice, it also blocks the reinforcing effects of alcohol (some of them anyways). this should be very similar with naltrexone, although not based on experience--just knowing the pharmacology. -DICK

[chillinwill]

Originally Posted by Richard_smoker

yeah, i didn't want to really bring it up... hate to be the bearer of negative news, but yeah, bupe addiction is probably the biggest monster i've ever seen, all in all...

but that might just be because there hasn't been much information (good data) released yet that details successful techniques of tapering/kicking. and, i guess even if the information is out there, it seems that each addict has his own interpretation of information out there on being 'clean.' that seems to be due to the immense fears associated with living without opiates...strange, i know. but true.

i guess that the decision to use naltrexone is a personal decision. i can see where it would certainly be helpful, as buprenorphine itself acts as a powerful opiate blocker...and if ya notice, it also blocks the reinforcing effects of alcohol (some of them anyways). this should be very similar with naltrexone, although not based on experience--just knowing the pharmacology. -DICK

Naltrexone most certainly blocks the effects of opiates and alcohol as well. Very very powerful opiate antagonist that Red Rock has found to work very well once he decided that he really wanted to get clean

[Richard_smoker]

will, does naltrexone block the normal happy effects of life?

i guess that's just a rational fear i have. but honestly, i've never asked anyone who has tried it. -DICK

[Gappa]

That would be deff a bummer taking Naloxone and still not having that oh so nice all clean feeling.

[chillinwill]

Originally Posted by Richard_smoker

will, does naltrexone block the normal happy effects of life?

i guess that's just a rational fear i have. but honestly, i've never asked anyone who has tried it. -DICK

Honestly, for SWIM, it does not. He still gets the pleasures out of everyday life such as running, sex, just being clean, etc. Some things might not seem as fun as when he was high, but he believes that is just about adjusting to life while not being under the influence of something. He highly recommends naltrexone, especially if methadone or suboxone hasn't worked so well for them. Naltrexone might not be for everyone and could block the normal happy effects of life but suboxone and methadone never worked that well for SWIM so the naltrexone has been a lifesaver for him

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cool. just what i needed to know.

[Gappa]

I stand corrected Naloxone is for OD. Naltrexone is for long term usage for blocking the effects of opioid drugs.

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Hey chill, how long have you been taking it???

[Richard_smoker]

my dog's gone 13 days since his last dose of bupe... life has almost done a complete 180 degree turn in last couple days. i mean, 180' from the last FOUR YEARS! not just since on bupe... since on any kinda daily opiate habit.

he's got energy out the ass. Started off jogging, but now just walks thru city... like a short day hike. makes him feel like a million bucks--especially now that the last residual bits of bupe are completely flushed out of his system.

you just gotta see this thing thru to the end. my dog was on 2 years of 8mg-16mg buprenorphine daily. he tapered down to zero in 2 months...2 very long, tiring months. but now he feels like a million bucks. his sleep schedule is still outta wack though. but still ok. right now, it seems like 1 outta every 2 or 3 nights, he only manages to get 2 hours sleep, but still gets up every morning at dawn. after 2 months of taking naps on couch and watching t.v., he's done with the boob tube for life, he thinks. now, he's just into walking, cleaning, playing guitar, and looking for a hobby or two. maybe he'll pick up some books this week.

peace. dick

[chillinwill]

Originally Posted by Gappa

I stand corrected Naloxone is for OD. Naltrexone is for long term usage for blocking the effects of opioid drugs.

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Hey chill, how long have you been taking it???

SWIM is on vivitrol which is a once a month extended release naltrexone shot that he has been on lil over 7 months or so

[Richard_smoker]

Originally Posted by chillinwill

SWIM is on vivitrol which is a once a month extended release naltrexone shot that he has been on lil over 7 months or so

really??? WOW! that's amazing! i had no idea... if this little piggy ever goes back to market, he'll definitely be getting the shot every month. i bet that's like having a CURE or ANTIDOTE for addiction! SWEET! -DICK

[Gappa]

No $hit??? I didn't even know anything like that existed. I wonder if my clone could even find it available here in the USA???? Man that is a perfect cure from addiction of opis..