Forget Dilaudid, Morphine is better!

[allyourbase]

dilaudid is far stronger than that orally. remember 90% of morphine will be taken by your liver, whereas almost no hydromorphone is lost to that same initial enzymatic process. when eaten 8 mg of hydromorphone is better than 150 mg of morphine. BUT as a dihydromorphinone its also easier to nod on HM and also FAR more easy to OD, so it could be said of course that you can get higher on morphine, simply because of its dose/response, and how little hydromorphone it would take to OD versus the copius amounts of morphine required to even nod.

[Be-Bop]

I have to say that i don't really like Morphine that much...not for any 'scientific reason', but just from a personal, 'how it feels to me' type angle..


SWIM once had brief access to a 285ml bottle of liquid Morph, taken by an 'friend' from the fridge of his cancer-stricken grandmother (once she was dead..oh dear..i seem to remember morals once.... long ago...), & the 'rush' was fucking 'orrible..all those ultra-mega-pins & needles, you feel like your chest, face & back are on fire!!! It isn't like the nice, warm, satisfyingly itchy, smack pins& needles...but these AWFUL HORRIBLE prickles!!!! Plus, i find Morphine is too 'clear', there is a kinda disassociation from the body, doesn't make me feel particulaly 'stoned'...not the 'floaty', warm liquid sea that heroin lets you drift upon...yeah..give me a nice, big taste of Diacetylmorphine anyday! Anybody got any spare..." just a smidge mate, i know you got some of the yellow shit, c'mon your already stoned"...( anybody seen that fantastic movie, "Ghosts of the civil dead"..1988, Australian, John Hillcoat-Director...Nick Cave makes a brief appearance, & my old painting teacher, Tony Clark {ace guy!} plays the ugly transvestite..see it, or be doomed forever!)


Be-Bop

[Fantasian]

Morphine is much better for pain killing, dilaudid is better for the rush, Both are pretty equal in the overall high. It's all about preferance though i guess.

[bandido]

then why would they bother to even make it the first place? If morph is better than your h change dealers

[raven3davis]

What is every SWIMS preference when it comes to the "rush" Does SWIM prefer a morphiene rush or a hydromorphone rush. The reason SWIM is asking is because SWIM and all the fishes in his pond love banging hydromorphone and love the rush but part of it is painful. Is the morphiene rush painful in the same way?

[Stavrogin]

off course morphine is better, but its damn hard to find it.

[thbronze]

Originally Posted by Stavrogin

off course morphine is better, but its damn hard to find it.

www.mailpharma.com 16 orders filled over 2 yrs,some seem to not be happy with/tell ahmet thbronze recom./and no no favors in return just doing whats right

[Fantasian]

Originally Posted by raven3davis

What is every SWIMS preference when it comes to the "rush" Does SWIM prefer a morphiene rush or a hydromorphone rush. The reason SWIM is asking is because SWIM and all the fishes in his pond love banging hydromorphone and love the rush but part of it is painful. Is the morphiene rush painful in the same way?

There is nothing painful about the morphine rush, SWIFantasian found it on numerous occasions one of the most pleasant experiences he's ever had, however this does also make it one of the most dangerous.

[johnny27bt]

I've always heard about the horrible histamine effect when the morphine crosses the blood brain barrier, serve pins and needles and some alot of ppl have breathing difficulty, not because of OD but tightness in chest because if the histamine effect. TBH it put me off using Intravenous morphine, although back in the days i would skin pop 40mg in 2 places, or IM when i had the correct needles.
Although as someone said, that morphine does not produce this effect on them and thats great luck. its also suggested when IVing M to shoot it very slow that helps

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Good advice on Anti-histamine effects

[Fantasian]

Originally Posted by johnny27bt

I've always heard about the horrible histamine effect when the morphine crosses the blood brain barrier, serve pins and needles and some alot of ppl have breathing difficulty, not because of OD but tightness in chest because if the histamine effect. TBH it put me off using Intravenous morphine, although back in the days i would skin pop 40mg in 2 places, or IM when i had the correct needles.
Although as someone said, that morphine does not produce this effect on them and thats great luck. its also suggested when IVing M to shoot it very slow that helps

Again i want to highlight, SWIM has used morphine numerous times and has not experienced anything but relaxation and a euphoric rush when injecting, SWIM tries to inject slowly just as the hospital do when injecting, about 5 mg per 15 seconds. SWIM has never experienced the anti histamine effect you speak of. The only negative effect is the sickness which can be solved with an anti-emetic like cyclizine, buccastem or Ondanstron among others.

[bandido]

than why does it not work any way close to h than? why would anyone take morph threw all those steps to make h then?? this is onne of the most unthaught out questions I have EVER heard in 40 some years, come on.

[Fantasian]

Originally Posted by bandido

than why does it not work any way close to h than? why would anyone take morph threw all those steps to make h then?? this is onne of the most unthaught out questions I have EVER heard in 40 some years, come on.

Not sure entirely what your trying to say here?

If your saying why do people convert morphine into Diamorphine (heroin) then it's because of a faster transfer to the blood brain barrier. This can be used clinically because diamorphine when given subcutaniously will be absorbed faster and also smaller about of diamorphine can be used to get the same effect as morphine.

People enjoy the experience of diamorphine more because the very attribute i previously stated means that as diamorphine passes through the blood brain barrier faster it means the rush is more intense which is what many drug users seek.

Not entirely sure how this is comparing Dilaudid and morphine but there we go.

[bandido]

what I ment is that sum guy (who obviously has never done both) said they were the same thing(h and m) because the body converted the h back to m, so they were the same thing!! YA RIGHT GIMME A BREAK.Thats what I meant by why does anyone bother to take m further to get h.

[Forthesevenlakes]

SWIM has never felt anything from dilaudid. His lab rats report "a cerebral high...similar to that of temgesic (subutex/buprenorphone)" However, SWIM has railed 8 mg of the wretched stuff and felt nothing. However, insufflating 30-60 mg morphine has given him a pleasant body high, not quite as mentally overpowering as a similar dosage oxycodone, but very nice and managable. so i'll agree with whoever started this forum that morphine is more fun. alot of rats SWIM has talked to seem to find that morphine has a "darker" feel to it, and SWIM is wondering what could account for that.

[Dr.Jones]

Originally Posted by Narcosis

Morphine in tablets are very very good! crush and snort and you'll be flying!


its a lot better than dilaudid! its just like heroin...cuz heroin when it reaches your brain it actually is morphine....so heroin only exists in the external form...inside your body it turns from diamorphine to morphine!

By that same logic, codeine is morphine as that is the active metoblite of codeine. Dia-m, codeine, and M, although all pretty much the same drug when its in your brain, are very different highs.

[thbronze]

D's are nice,swim has never snorted so wouldn't know that comparison,like anything the first time is the best and never can be replicated,bitch aint it,
morph iv'd to swim much better than d's even up to 16mg.at a time,of course,the big H will knock you on your ass,don't believe D's will do that.
As far as the itching for 10 seconds w/morph thats part of the exsperience in a good way,IMO

[madlost]

dilaudid same as hydromorphone?

[shaunclo]

Originally Posted by madlost

dilaudid same as hydromorphone?

Yes,it is the same.

swim agrees that hydromorphone (dilaudid) is over-rated too. It is a strong high but very pure. It doesnt have that punch that you get from morph or H due to the fact that it is lacking a lot of different alkaloids.

[yacovm]

SWIM wants to know if anyone (SWIM) ever iv'ed kadian 100 capsules swim cruched them up, banged it, got high, but also got cotton fevor but that was because of a cotton germ. swim knows if it is cruched up well, add a little water heat and serve it work. Does swim have any more info?