Effects - Was this MDMA, Speed, or both? (effects) Help

[Swimster]

I had a dream last night, My name was swim: I never tried MDMA, nor Methamphetamine. Swim got 2 "Ecstacy" pills a number of days ago. They were unusually small. ~6x3 milimeter. Generic looking monkey face imprint(NOT BAPES).

...Anyway, swim was stimulated, non-paranoid, quite subtle high/euphoria. Almost natural feeling. He took 1; 1 hour later the other because he was kinda liking the high. Swim is not a total drug newb. He has used propylhexedrine and cocaine, and a few other thing before. But NOT a regular user. Swim expected the experience to feel loving like Tramadol has for him. He just felt a subtle high, mostly in-consistent warm rushes(subtle though). He started walking around through neigborhood.

Basically swims effects: He didn't plan things, everything felt neutral, he felt like whatever he did was like, whatever. Euphoria seemed to be associated with changing what swim was doing, although he felt like he didn't need to change because he was who he was type thing(sounds weird, i know). Wasn't too doped-up feeling aware, he felt more unaware, and never seeked to try to be aware, like having no control, decisions weren't made in his concious mind. Is this Empathy?? Swim had no wories, btw.

He was totaly convinced that everything he did was not a lie.

The crash, came-on subtle, at end of night felt like a devistating death-depression was to come, but at same time, wasn't too woried. took 25 mg's of Sertraline before bed(although, swim hasnt been on them prior). Couldn't stop thinking of things that were irelevent(probly psychosis) during "sleep"(did not sleep, layed in bed). Crash occured in morning aswell, felt inevitable helplessness about everything, but he occupied swims mind to forget about it, and subsided in about 3-4 hours.

Next day still has circulatory speed(heart pumping fast) and a little hard.

Nothing apeared to be "overwhelming" like everyone claims is supposed to be.

Now swim swim feels like his anxiety is kind of squashed, and worries less about time. Swim used to always worry about where he was at and what time it was. Now, not much is planned, more empathized.

Although, swim took tramadol today.

I have other questions: Are thoughts the ego itself? Also, swim hears that Stimulants increase ego alot, where as MDMA dissolves it, true?

Thanks for any help, could use notes, tips, kick in the ass, etc...Oh and for once in about a few years, swims anxiety, control, and depression is not apearent.

P.S: my speach may sound messed up, but i am intelegent, just not too motivated to a pear like a "smart guy".

[FrogEye]

~7.5mm is the usual size of a pill. Most pill contain MDMA and speed and i think yours did too, the way you described trying to sleep is definatley due to speed.

Thing is with MDMA you really have to be with other people and be at a club/party/something to take advantage of the drug 100%. Its a complete waste to take MDMA by yourself. It's because anything that stimulates an emotion becomes amazing, and talking/music/meeting new people results in many good emotions. When walking around on pills you will often seem to just glide along and your thoughts will scatter a little bit, or you are fixated on something. Best way to get out of this SWIM finds (because SWIM hates wasting his time not thinking about anything) is to just randomly talk about anything with whoever you're walking with.

Sleeping is always very difficult on pills, SWIM often gets locked in a loop. Once SWIM was catching a taxi home and it took him ages to get a taxi (it sometimes does where SWIM lives). Once SWIM got home and tried to sleep he had a sort of waking dream in his head where he was running around trying to get a taxi and when he finally did he could sleep in the taxi for 10 minutes then he would have to get out again and try to catch another taxi and repeat, this happened for what seemed like hours.

Feeling uncaring/unemotive/zombified the day after is completely normal. Everyone experiences it. It can last up to 3 days before you feel ok again.

SWIM highly recommends only taking pills when you are at a party or a club and with friends, otherwise its like having sex with someone and both of you keep your clothes on, sure its a little bit fun but why would you do it?

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[Swimster]

Swim feels fine, actually. Crash wasn't much, actually.

Swim listened to music most of the time while walking. He noticed that when he paused the music the high waves would stop, if he did something new, or resumed the music, he felt rolling again.

He talked to his mother and tried to emotionally connect, but wasn't too pushed toward emotion. He expected to be though. But he was compleatly confident around her or anyone he was around. He felt like everything he saw was harmless and in his own visual mind. fearless and peacefull. [speed, mdma, what??]

Anyway, does anyone know if oral speed use (like in swims dream[atleast once]) could cause any mental issues (psychological or similar)? hope not. The experience was ok, but swim was used to getting drug euphoria from other things before. So it wasn't like a virgin-rush. Although swim remembers his first was GREAT.

When swim was trying to sleep at night his weirdness was: imagining some irrelevent holes in his blanket where he imagined those pills he had were supposed to fit perfectly in. I know, trippy.

so...Whats some good descriptive advice on what pure MDMA's effects feel like? Swim though he had it because he didn't "feel" tweaked, although he has never been, so how could he know. But he did appear geaked out or paranoid, or anything. hmm...

Thanks for the reply, by the way.

[aerozeppelin123]

Swiy's experience sounds almost exactly like what swim experiences from speed (this is UK amphetamine speed, not meth, but I'm sure that when swallowed they would have very similar effects). The way you describe euphoria coming from changing activities as well as the kind of neutral/emotionless everything-is-fine feeling, and also the pumping heart for a long time afterwards, makes swim think it's speed you had, not MDMA. Even the strange, irrelevant thoughts when trying to sleep is something else swim has experienced when coming down off of speed.

In comparison, MDMA tends to be loved-up, rushy and anything but subtle.

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[Swimster]

Thanks for your help, guys. I didn't believe it to be mdma due to lack of emotional skyrocket everyone describes. Swim really got ripped off then. A dub per pill. ouch!

[fiveleggedrat]

Ouch is right, but it's the same here too.

Yeah, sounds like both, with a low dose on the MDMA front. Guess I didn't find this thread before.

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