I am very interested....

[pacamohu]

I am just wondering what are good research chemicals to start out with.
I really like dxm but am worried that I will build up a tolerance so I have
been using is sparingly.
I also really like mushrooms and am curious about LSD.
Basically I am looking for something along those lines if anyone can
help... THANK YOU!

[Joy_of_Salad]

I think if you're new to tripping, 2C-I is a good place to start.
it's very visual and happy, but it doesnt come with very strong mental
effects. If you like mushrooms, LSD is certainly something to
try. They each have their own personality, but they have lots in
common. LSD doesnt come with the nausea that is associated with
mushrooms. Other than that I would reccommend 2C-E very highly,
with the sidenote that to reach its full potential requires some
solitude. if you're going to be social, go with 2C-I.

[mariecurie]

I think the biggest problem with starting with 2C-I if you haven't
tripped much is that it isn't a particularly good hallucinogen. If you
start off with a psychedelic that has little to no mental effects, you
aren't going to understand tripping correctly.



Mushrooms and LSD are your best bets. These have been around for ages
and are considered very safe. Phenethylamines like 2C-I and 2C-E come
with a much different body buzz and mental space, which a lot of
experienced psychedelic users find to be much inferior. LSD is probably
the most highly regarded compound ever, so why not start there?

[drwoo]

Originally Posted by mariecurie

LSD is probably the most highly regarded compound ever, so why not start there?

Do you mean besides its difficulty to find? I know I haven't even seen a hit of LSD since around 2001. It you are looking to start RCs I suggest reading as much as you can about all the ones you can find for sale, and then making an intelligent decision based on your findings. Remember to err on the side of caution. Know your boundries before you try to take on too much. I started with AMT and 5-meo-Dipt before they got scheduled, and have tried others since then. So I just suggest trying the ones that are popular now before they get scheduled and you get mad you missed the train. If you can find acid by all means take up the chance if thats what you want. There is also a good chance that what whoever you are buying from might tell you its acid, but its really just a research chemical. That is a chance you will have to take.Edited by: drwoo

[Pinkavvy]

shrooms

[Peyote]

Try 4-HO-DiPT - it doesn't lasts long..so you can decided if trippin is really something you wanna do..

[Nagognog2]

If you have done DXM to a level of reaching the so-called 3rd plateau, you are indeed ready for a powerful psychedelic. Each has it's own flavor, if you will. 2-CI is fun, in my book, and has range as regards mental effects if you let it. 2-CE much more so. Mushrooms are wonderful. Keep your eyes open - until you take them <grin>.Real LSD25 is a rarity these days, and you might end up with X-the unknown. So I'd suggest taking a known substance from a trusted and knowledgable source and follow common sense - such as not going to a rave or driving your car. Have a friend around to annoy with your insights. And clear you calendar for the night and following day, or visa-versa. The next day/night is good to reflect and recover - as I'm sure DXM has shown you.


I far prefer nights myself. Less external stimuli means more blank screens to let the mind fill in with it's buried treasures! Have fun!

[gn2osis]

4-HO-DiPT (or 4-Aco-DiPT), or 4-HO-MiPT, are very similar to
shrooms. The former two are a little more euphoric but also give
some people muscle tremors; the latter is more active and more visual
but not quite as magically euphoric. I've heard of people
combining 10 mg or so of each and liking that. Steep
dose-response curve but easy to control dose if you can measure
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[allyourbase]

my advice would be to start with entheogens then move into research chemicals. consideran extract fromsome DMT containing plants, or one of the multiple seeds that contain DLA (dlysergacid amide). those are excellent for beginners. perhaps some dried san pedro skins when youve outgrown those... then maybe research chemicals.

[gn2osis]

Originally Posted by nagognog2

If you have done DXM to a level of reaching the so-called 3rd plateau, you are indeed ready for a powerful psychedelic.

I meant to add my agreement with this. A DXM third plateau is
profound stuff, profounder than a fairly strong psychedelic experience,
IMO. Between that and having done shrooms, you're unlikely to
find RC's to be very foreign territory. Still, start at less than
Shulgin's lowest given dosages, since your body may be unusally
sensitive to some, and there's no way to know that but to taste
'em. The nice thing about RC's is you can choose your dosage
quite precisely.



Also, you probably know this, but be sure not to take DXM within two
weeks of taking an MAOI. Some RC's (e.g. AMT) are MAOI's, so do
your homework, and best of luck!

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