Other - Is ordering GBL 99.9% online to remove paint illegal?

[tenakm]

This may sound like a completely naive question. But, my understanding is that GHB is of course illegal; but is GBL is legal (if you order it to remove paint)? Many years ago, I didn’t even think twice about it to use GBL to clean hard to remove paints stains or even cleaning my car's wheels with it.

In theory, under what conditions (and countries) does a person legally buy GBL from a website that sells it for legitimate purposes without getting any hassle?

[dutch-marshal]

If SWIY does not have the rest of the products in SWIYS house to produce GHB.
the cops can even knock on your door with you holding the gbl... but can't do anything if they don't find naoh and demi wather ect...

or show them how you are cleaning your wall from grafiti :P

dutch-marshal added 0 Minutes and 32 Seconds later...

where you from?
because in america swim would not try that trick... but allot of other countries, thats a diff storie..

[MrG]

It's simple, if GBL is legal to purchase and use in a particular country then thats the end of that.

If GBL is illegal in a country then no amount of excuses as to why one might be in possession of it will work.

As for countries who are trying to find half-measures to allow industry to legally process GBL whilst preventing diversions, well that's down to that particular country's legislation.

[Alfa]

As MrG already points at; your question is too unspecific, covering too many countries and their legislation. However, I do know that it would be good to have an overview of GBL's legal status in different countries. This would be a great addition to the forum or to the wiki.

[HorseBucket]

Swim will look up the legal status of GBL in various European countries and post his findings here.

EDIT: Its not easy finding this kinda info. Only info swim could find was on the GBL page on wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma-Butyrolactone

Canada: GBL is a Controlled Substance under Schedule VI of the "Controlled Drugs and Substances Act" in Canada.
United Kingdom: Although GBL is an unclassified drug in the United Kingdom, risk to life is being recognised on the London Gay Scene, where use is more prevalent than other parts of the country. At the end of 2006, a campaign began to reduce the number of people using GBL in the area. The effects of this campaign are yet to be seen.
Sweden: GBL is not classified as a drug but as a health dangering substance.

Heres another thread on this
http://www.drugs-forum.co.uk/forum/s...d.php?p=253643
swim doesn't know how accurate the info posted there is but heres some quotes of interest from the posters

Originally Posted by Pomzazed

Gamma Buterolactone is controlled substance in Thailand, and is permitted to use in industrial purpose only. License is needed in obtaining GBL here.
(This also applies to 1,4-butanediol)

Originally Posted by psyche

I don't think that author is interested about it's legal status around the world, but if you're going to expand the thread to deal with legal status around the globe, I think it's totally uncontrolled in Finland. GHB is sold for worst cases of insomnia under the brand name Xyrem by prescription.

Originally Posted by SWIH

100% legal in UK, and a government spokesman was recently quoted as saying there were no plans to reclassify it. woo hoo!

here's an article to back that statement up:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4261788.stm

nb gbl is totally legal in UK, but ghb is definately illegal in UK

Originally Posted by garbled

GBL is now a listed chemical in Canada (as of 2003). I have heard that both GBL and GHB are outlawed in Japan. As far as I know they both are illegal in Canada, USA, NZ, Australia. But, although GBL is a List 1 chemical in the US, I understand that BDO is NOT listed.

FWIW, GBL and BDO are still legal in the US, they are just illegal if intended for human consumption. Once they prove you are in possession of either "for human consumption", that's when the noose tightens. Take the case of David Calder of Scotland. Because he "knew" the GBL he was selling to Americans was intended for human consumption, he too was in violation of US law.

Originally Posted by boagoa

GBL is legal in germany, but it is watched via a "voluntarily monitoring system" . vendors should check buyers and normally the should save some information like name + address...

but it's a voluntarily system, you only need to find a vendor who don't want to know who you are =)

Keep in mind that threads from 2006. Things may have changed since then.

[piuiher]

Illegal in Italy.

[runitsthepolice]

If swiy lives in the United States, swim advises to abort. The DEA has imposed a zero kilogram threshold.

http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/fe...003/fr0910.htm

Attempting to import gbl will result in a knock on swiys door. Also, don't do as swim did and immediately begin 24/7 dosing for a week and a half straight. Swim realized he was addicted and managed to get off the G but he still hasn't slept without using it. Swim is studying for a test but intends on providing complete documentation of his experience as a G addict as soon as he gets a spare minute. Hopefully swim will be able to help other swims out there. He was totally unaware of the nature of G withdrawal and it is not something anyone wants to experience. Hopefully this warning and swims upcoming report will inform others of some things to avoid.

[fair_gamble88]

zero kilogram threshold, does that mean that any importation of GBL is illegal or up to a kilo?

how much gbl is a kilo? 250ml? 500ml?

[Hollow Hippie]

SWIM would imagine that if one were referring to the states, then GBL is legal but attracts the DEA like flies to steamy horse shit. If the DEA come to do a lil' investigatin', just as long as SWIY has no obvious setups or chemical supplies intend to manufacture GHB, SWIY should be fine. Just make sure first of all SWIY does not order from a scam as SWIM doubts credit card companies will refund a purchase on a shady chemical from a shady company. Second only order in small amounts infrequently.

Also, if SWIY intends to ingest the chemical be absolutely sure it is in fact 99.99% GBL, don't risk SWIY's life with untrustworthy substances. And of course research all about the effects and proper dosages and start small and do it infrequently.

Hollow Hippie added 31 Minutes and 18 Seconds later...

@Fair_gamble88,
mL (milliliter) and kg (kilogram) are totally different types of measurements, the liter is the base unit used when measuring volume (the 3-dimensional space a substances takes up) and the gram is the base unit when measuring mass (mass is the amount of resistance to force or inertia an object has, more mass requires greater force to move for example).

Units of mass cannot be converted to units of volume or length or length or volume converted to mass (volume and length can convert to each other, a volume of 1000 liters equals a length of 1 meter3)

Mass cannot be converted to volume or length because an object's density affects mass, a high density means a higher mass in a volume then a object with a lower density in the same volume. So the same volume of two different substances yields two different masses. Temperature affects density as colder temperatures means higher densities as the atoms are more closely bound. Individual chemical properties also make it impossible to convert between mass and volume.

Imagine a substance called lolfluid having identical properties to water except it's density, imagine it's density is twice that of water's. At 3.98 Celsius, 1000L of lolfluid would have 2000g of mass as opposed to 1000L of water which would have 1000g of mass.

(Extremely sorry for the long unneeded post, speed does funny things to ones motivation for small things)