Purity - Is pure cocaine better or more dangerous?

[Captain Caveman]

Swim has been discussing this with friends. Alot of swims friends says pure cocaine is alot more dangerous, and they wouldnt want to snort any.

[chillinwill]

the only way that I can think of that would make it more dangerous is that since it is unadulterated, a lesser dose would be needed and if someone were to dose the same amount they are used to on the adulterated coke, the chance of OD'ing goes up

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absolutely

[fiveleggedrat]

Absolutely not. Swim has extensive experience with pure. The only issue Swim can think of is if someone rails a lot of it (over 250mg). Swim can see an OD more likely with pure if one is not careful. Dosages between common street and pure cocaine are DRASTICALLY different.

[mightymoresident]

In SOTM'S experience....most don't truly know what pure is unless one purifies the street coke or extract cocaine from coca

years ago SOTM dealt cocaine at high level (Kg)...and met many who thought who knew what pure was...even SOTM thought he knew what pure was.

SOTM use to rock up what was called "pure" and it would rock up 100% which led SOTM to think it was pure...well SOTM found out thats not neccesarily the case...

Along with the cocaine alkaloid there are many other alkaloids in the Coca leaf extraction process and in South America...no care at all is taken to remove these impurities and is typically sold as "pure" but its literally only 80%..thats it.

These other alkaloids will also "rock up" to the base form as well.....

If one looks here in the forums, one can find purifcation and the extraction process.

Through extraction and/or purification..one can obtain 99% pure freebase (crack) or cocaine hcl and the effects of pure are very different (and much better).

SOTM has never known anyone to ever OD snorting cocaine...however one can OD injecting cocaine. When doing TRULY pure...the craving isn't there like when the other alkaloids are present....its the other alkaloids that gives on the jitters, cravings etc.

True Pure 99% cocaine is a dream...its beyond reality..SOTM absolutely loves it

Regards,
SOTM
Someone Other Than Myself

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Informative post, and nice SOTM thing

[fiveleggedrat]

Swim knows quite a few who OD'ed nasally, always idiots who rail 1/4 and 1/2 grams all at once, nasal bleeding, panic attacks, seizure, etc. Like I said, Idiots. Swim always knew someone who OD'ed rather often on needle usage too. Once again, big idiot.

Swim was in the cocaine trade and speaks from experience on purity. He learned about the acetone extraction quite a bit ago and vouches for it. Most people really don't know pure, yes. Swim moved fishscale, beautiful flake, 90%+ pure direct from the manufacturer, 80% yield cooked. Most Swim saw on the street was 30-60% pure, if even.

[100mg Methylphenidate]

Swim knows somebody who died last year after quitting cocaine. He had done it for probably 10 years or so, and his habit got worse over time. He went to rehab for it about 6 times or so. Once he actually stayed off it, he died of heart failure randomly because of his heavy usage in the past. Swim has also seen multiple studies suggesting that a high amount of cocaine users have developing aneurysms...which are pretty much incurable in the long run, because they eventually rip open again. Swim worries about himself and a lot of his friends who might suffer such a fate... Remember, high blood pressure has no warning signs until it's too late.

[MrG]

SWIY's friends are completely wrong about pure cocaine being more dangerous. The *only* additional danger is, as mentioned, taking too much.

The biggest dangers with cocaine use are:
1) Using cocaine and alcohol together (lookup cocaethylene)
2) Unsafe cuts

SWIM has experimented with cocaine that was pure, totally uncut AND, more importantly, properly oxidised to remove chemical impurities ( cinnamoylcocaines ). He reports that it was a very smooth, clean high that did not leave him feeling tweeked.

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good points

[enquirewithin]

The main danger would be SWIY's 'friends' taking it all!

[wafcwarrior]

SWIM has a friend who sells cocaine and he sells product A cheaper than product B (Wont discuss prices ) But when SWIM tells me he buys Product A (Cheaper) it gives him more of a rush etc that cocaine should do than product B, SWIM confronted his friend about this (A big seller) and his friends reply was the stronger the cocaine it goes the milder the affect is (Obviously basic street value aint going to be as good as product A as SWIM says product A is the strongest he has ever had and although B is more expensive it isnt as strong as A) Does SWIY know if the purer it is the milder it is and it just means it can be cut more or is SWIM trying to be lied to, to pay more expensive for weaker stuff?

Thanks guys my friend will appreciate it

[piuiher]

if SWIY can afford it, but some quantity of both and try basing it, then weight what's left. It should give you an indication of the purity.

[Pope Albacore]

SWIM says that unless said dealer is a complete numbskull, SWIY is being put on. The more pure the cocaine, the more it costs says SWIM. Its simple economics. SWIM says that its time SWIY has a serious talk with SWIY's dealer.

-Pope Albacore

[dcrn]

in swims experience pure = costs a lot more..swim cant think of a reason why a shitty product would cost more.

swim never tried pure stuff either so he doesn't know how it feels to sniff pure blow. he finished his relationship with blow long time ago, and he's glad he did.

[raven3davis]

A lot of the time shittier coke will feel better to some people because there are additional stimulants in the cocaine that give it a better rush, stronger high, or make it last longer. Contrary to popular belief, pure cocaine is very calm and relaxing. Maybe you just prefer coke with a little more umph in it.

If you like product A more, then just stick with that. Maybe pure(ish) coke just isn't your thing. Many people would prefer product A, but there are some connoisseurs who would prefer product B. There is also a chance that product B is just crappier and he is trying to get ya for some cash.

[fiveleggedrat]

Originally Posted by raven3davis

A lot of the time shittier coke will feel better to some people because there are additional stimulants in the cocaine that give it a better rush, stronger high, or make it last longer. Contrary to popular belief, pure cocaine is very calm and relaxing. Maybe you just prefer coke with a little more umph in it.

If you like product A more, then just stick with that. Maybe pure(ish) coke just isn't your thing. Many people would prefer product A, but there are some connoisseurs who would prefer product B. There is also a chance that product B is just crappier and he is trying to get ya for some cash.

This post is dead on. Too many people will choose a dirty, amphetamine cut product over pure cocaine. Swim ran this as a test when dealing, and every single user preferred the cut amp laden product over cleaned up, 90%+ pure product. IMO, Pure is much more enjoyable on a better level than dirty product. It was always worth doing clean stuff over garbage. The garbage times left horrible comedowns/crashes.

[ClearView]

Originally Posted by wafcwarrior

SWIM has a friend who sells cocaine and he sells product A cheaper than product B (Wont discuss prices ) But when SWIM tells me he buys Product A (Cheaper) it gives him more of a rush etc that cocaine should do than product B, SWIM confronted his friend about this (A big seller) and his friends reply was the stronger the cocaine it goes the milder the affect is (Obviously basic street value aint going to be as good as product A as SWIM says product A is the strongest he has ever had and although B is more expensive it isnt as strong as A) Does SWIY know if the purer it is the milder it is and it just means it can be cut more or is SWIM trying to be lied to, to pay more expensive for weaker stuff?

Thanks guys my friend will appreciate it

It's peoaple like SWIY that are responsible for the shitty utter crapp cocaine now running the streets of the UK up and down the country. SWIM has posted numerous posts of the regarding the quality of cocaine in the UK especially London. Many SWIYS agree that UK coke is utter shit.

SWIM has done with coke. He is fed up having to blow multiple pounds in the weekend only to have to throw the damn thing away because it is so disgusting. Just because it makes peoples heart race rapidly without the euphoric effects does not mean it's coke! Good coke is so suttle; it doesnt all of a sudden just hit you and make you paranoid. It is a warm feel good super confident drug. But the demand in the UK is for shit coke apparantley.

SWIM is so annoyed with the UK coke he has done some web research and thinks the cut or what is being sold is Lignocaine. Lignocaine is a heart drug used to resuscitate patients. It increases the toxicity of cocaine and has been linked to deaths in UK and Ireland. Cocaine never numbs you gums straight away; Lignocaine does. And acetone wash is not good.

Buy the more expensive one (obviously)

[fiveleggedrat]

Originally Posted by ClearView

SWIM is so annoyed with the UK coke he has done some web research and thinks the cut or what is being sold is Lignocaine. Lignocaine is a heart drug used to resuscitate patients. It increases the toxicity of cocaine and has been linked to deaths in UK and Ireland. Cocaine never numbs you gums straight away; Lignocaine does. And acetone wash is not good.

Lignocaine is another word for lidocaine, and there is no way it increases or causes death. Please provide source or proof of deaths. This cut is not active, and only provides a stronger numbing sensation, no effects. It is amphetamines, piperazines, caffeine, and other assorted stimulants making it in as cuts that ruin the true cocaine high.

[ClearView]

Originally Posted by fiveleggedrat

Lignocaine is another word for lidocaine, and there is no way it increases or causes death. Please provide source or proof of deaths. This cut is not active, and only provides a stronger numbing sensation, no effects. It is amphetamines, piperazines, caffeine, and other assorted stimulants making it in as cuts that ruin the true cocaine high.

Ok apologies. But in SWIMS annoyance with UK cocaine and what he has been obtaining he spent hours on the net just trying to figure out what it could be. SWIM wants to get the right infomation out by all means. Here are the links that SWIM found. SWIM does not want miss-information. Just SWIY to know the truth and not to be ripped off.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...368897509.html
http://www.independent.ie/national-n...e-1445289.html

It might be phenacetin that's causing the increase heart rate and nausea feeling though. SWIM hasnt a clue cause he can't test his rubbish batch. But the coke SWIM as been taken produces no euphoria only paranoia. Not the super man type super confident smooth feeling it once was. It tastes very bitter in the back of the throat and makes SWIMs face twitch. Any usefull information be helpfull to all forum SWIYS

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/sc...6908-20710840/

[wafcwarrior]

From gathering information now SWIM understands what it is Product A is cut coke although still a high purity rating it has more of a buzz and euphoric, Product B has a very high purity rating and is just calm and relaxing not the type your wanna be doing in a club SWIM supposes switching between products every now and again or maybe buying a gram of each and mix it should be good, SWIM will do this soon and let you know the result

[calmurphy17]

as with many drugs,the more pure they are, the more safer they tend to be.It is the adulterants and chemical impurities in drugs that do people harm and give drugs a bad name.For instance-it is medically accepted that if administered even over years, pure heroin would have no lasting or
adverse side effects and full health maintained but you only have to look at a long term junkie in real life to see the toll it can take.

[yaba]

In some places of the world, there is pure coke even in The Netherlands it can be found. melt at 92 degree celcius swim was told.

Its not hard to reconise good coke,
Swim is not in to it any more, but in his younger days..

[piuiher]

just run a bloody test and find out for yourself. Base A and B and find out.

[Pope Albacore]

Originally Posted by fiveleggedrat

Lignocaine is another word for lidocaine, and there is no way it increases or causes death. Please provide source or proof of deaths. This cut is not active, and only provides a stronger numbing sensation, no effects. It is amphetamines, piperazines, caffeine, and other assorted stimulants making it in as cuts that ruin the true cocaine high.

SWIM says this statement could not ring any more true. Adulterants in cocaine cause excessive nasal problems, irritability, a need for constant use(fiending), and extreme paranoia(tweaking) etc. SWIM says that the more pure the cocaine the more calm and euphoric the experience will be with more positive attributes than negative.

-Pope Albacore

[frenchywife]

Uh yes - SWIM would think the purer the better (due to the lack of potentially cutting agents) but could understand how it could be more dangerous due to amounts ingested.

[kookala]

One partial myth or at least exageration that most people have about cocaine is that they believe a cocaine overdose is strictly because the cocaine speeds up the heart to the point of cardiac arrest. While that is partially true, and somewhat dependent upon the actual contents of the cocaine, one often unknown or underestimated component is the fact that cocaine and several other coca alkaloids to varying degrees are actually toxic to heart muscle tissue, and the severity of their toxicity is not directly proportional to their potency. For example, cinnamyl-cocaine is among the most toxic, but is an alkaloid which has very low potency in comparison to cocaine, and so removal of several of these toxic alkaloids can decrease the toxic effects. Fortunately even many of the most low tech cocaine manufacturers use patassium permanganate which removes most of the cinnamyl cocaine, but it does still occur.

Due to the fact that Colombian Sierra Nevada de Santa Marta and peruvian Trujillo coca varieties have such high coca alkaloid production levels with a much lower perventage of alkaloid being cocaine, most cocaine manufacturers who use coca from these regions incorporating a more advanced but still fairly low tech processing method by hydrolysing all of the coca alkaloid into ecgonine (a precursor they all share) then synthesize cocaine from the ecgonine. This is actually how a large amount of pre-harrison narcotics act OTC cocaine products were made, as it is low tech, simple and guarantees pure cocaine if done properly, and it takes advantage of the coca of those particular varieties natural ability to produce about twice as much alkaloid.

Acetone washing, is limited in that it does not remove any coca alkaloid that is in the form of a hcl salt, but if I did coke, especially if it came from the black market, I would always be sure to wash it.

I've always been told that, at least when sniffed, the higher the potency of the cocaine, the less it induces cravings. I really can't speak from first hand experience on pretty much anything to do with cocaine once it has been extracted from the plant but if that were true, I'd believe that to be perhaps a very effective harm reduction strategy.

Another factor that plays a role in overdoses is the increasingly common practice of cutting with meth. Also, perhaps I'm wrong, but I always had the impression that overdose from sniffed cocaine were extremely rare in adult males, almost a non-issue, and the it mostly occurred to women who biologically are much more sensitive to the toxic properties of the drug. Is this just a myth or is it true?

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[100mg Methylphenidate]

Myth. Cocaine overdoses can happen to anybody. But a cocaine overdose isn't necessarily in the typical sense of 'oh he took too much.' It's not like heroin, where you just develop a strong physical tolerance with an extremely high ceiling, and (assuming you're not injecting), limited/no organ damage. Although heroin is easier to overdose on. Heroin overdose is more like "Oh he went past his tolerance."

Cocaine overdose is more like "He went past the physical limits of his body." Some people, who have high blood pressure(which has NO warning signs in most cases, even if severely high), could die from a very small line. Some people, could have underlying cardiac arrhythmia or arrhythmia induced by cocaine that kills them at smaller doses. Aneurysms develop in a very large portion of regular cocaine users.

So a user might have a good blood pressure, no family history of heart problems, no arrhythmia or anything else wrong, but after an extended period of use, cause their blood vessels to bulge out in some places, and boom, one small line, they're dead in ten minutes.

In general, cocaine is fairly safe compared to a lot of things, but nobody really knows the physical limits of their body. Which do go down over time. A heroin user can keep building physical tolerance. A cocaine user loses physical tolerance, even if their psychological tolerance is high.

Over the short term, cocaine is a lot safer in healthy individuals without heart problems. But over the long term, you will probably cause these problems and severely shorten your lifespan, and make yourself a million more times likely to 'overdose' on coke.

I am not suggesting anywhere here that cocaine is better for you than heroin or vise versa. Just that they both have their own bad sides and people try to categorize cocaine/amphetamine overdoses the same way as with xanax, alcohol, and opiates. It's less dose dependent and more based on the users physiology.

Heavy doses of stimulants have caused swim to overdose once a little over a year ago. His heart was going about 170bpm for TWO HOURS. Before he overdosed, his heart was at about 120bpm and he was just trying to maintain his buzz. But he took one tiny little line and it skyrocketed. Normally it's only about 60bpm according to him. That is fucking RIDICULOUS. He could have died any second within those two hours. He wasn't in a situation where he could get up and move, and he was alone and his parents were all the way downstairs so he couldn't get help. He just had to lay there and accept the fact that he might die. That was with an extremely high psychological tolerance. What would happen if somebody else did the same thing though? They might have had the same blood pressure as him and the same heart rate, yet their blood vessels could have been weakened more from excessive use, or just weaker in general, and they could have died. Or they could have done the same dose and maintained a very low heart rate. Swim's chances of surviving that again are probably much lower now that he put that much stress on his body once and got away with it. Bad things can happen to anyone. And swim is a male with a fairly athletic build and no heart conditions.

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