Combinations - MDMA the best way to ease into acid the first time?

[FrogEye]

Hi SWIM has been thinking about taking LSD for about a year now but has only recently made the contacts he needs to get good LSD. SWIM has read a lot about LSD and knows that he needs a good mind to go into a trip with. SWIM was wondering what the best drug to ease into a trip would be, xtc or weed or both. SWIM was also wondering how to time the dosage. SWIM ussualy takes about 30 minutes to feel high from xtc. SWIM knows everyone is different but was wondering if others could share experiences.

[chillinwill]

For a first time LSD dose, SWIM definitely recommends not to combine it with MDMA until one is familiar with both of the drugs effects. Combining marijuana with LSD is alright and might help ease any anxiety one is feeling during the trip and can also really help spark the trip at the beginning when coming up.

[sylenth]

Originally Posted by FrogEye

Hi SWIM has been thinking about taking LSD for about a year now but has only recently made the contacts he needs to get good LSD. SWIM has read a lot about LSD and knows that he needs a good mind to go into a trip with. SWIM was wondering what the best drug to ease into a trip would be, xtc or weed or both. SWIM was also wondering how to time the dosage. SWIM ussualy takes about 30 minutes to feel high from xtc. SWIM knows everyone is different but was wondering if others could share experiences.

why would swey want to ease in to taking lsd by taking another drug first? why not enjoy the lsd for what it is for the first time? makes no sense to me.

if smurf had to choose between the two mentioned for a first time it would be marijiuana but smurf does'nt recommend any as marijiuana could lead to paranoia on the lsd, ecstasy's effects with lsd 'candy flipping' for a first time could be overwhelming & lead to a bad experience.

once swey is more experienced to the effects of lsd swey can look in to experimenting mixing with other drugs. remember the saying less is more & more is less?

be safe swimmer.

[FrogEye]

SWIM has had experience with MDMA before and thought it might be a good way to eliminate paranoia and bad feelings so that the LSD would be more likely to be a good trip. SWIM is wondering is wondering why its a bad idea to combine with MDMA because he cannot see any adverse effects from this.

[podge]

Originally Posted by FrogEye

SWIM is wondering is wondering why its a bad idea to combine with MDMA because he cannot see any adverse effects from this.

Bacause if LSD alone is strong, then LSD mixed with MDMA is far stronger. Candy flipping is far more extreme than just tripping, better saved until swiy has experience with LSD on its own.

Some swimmers enjoys a couple of beers to relax before a trip sometimes, not too much, just enough to make one chilled out and willing to go with the flow. Too many drinks can make things sloppy and unpredictable and can take away from the psychedelic aspect. Marijuana can relax a trip or can send it into spiralling somewhere new, varies from person to person, strain to strain and night to night so cant give a definitive answer.

But in the end swiy should be prepared to just take LSD if they think they are ready, more drugs to prepare for a drug shouldnt be and isnt necessary.

[FrogEye]

SWIM thanks you for your advice

[sylenth]

Originally Posted by FrogEye

SWIM has had experience with MDMA before and thought it might be a good way to eliminate paranoia and bad feelings so that the LSD would be more likely to be a good trip.

why eliminate any paranoia & bad feelings if swey has the right mindset to start off with? first time lsd was'nt scary for smurf, swey should have nothing to worry about & ease in to the trip knowing everything will be fine as swey has researched the drug.

the slight feelings of butterflies in the stomache & a bit of anxiety wo'nt cause any negative effects unless swey has problems with anxiety. relax & have fun.

[Frond]

Keep the dosage low, then the trip will be manageable. About 200 mics should be just fine. Around 500 or so SWIY starts to get into ego-death territory, and there all sorts of interesting things happen.

A beer or two should do just fine when coming into the trip, but SWIY shouldn't drink too much, since hangover + LSD = trouble. At the tail end, a bit of kratom can take the edge off and help SWIY land nicely, or maybe some kava.

Weed is only going to intensify the trip, and blur the analytical edge that LSD has.

Sir Tokesalot generally enjoys acid on its own. The easiest way to have a manageable trip is to take a manageable dose, and watch set and setting. LSD at lower, though still psychedelic levels is somewhat euphoric in its own right, provided set and setting are correct.

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[Pope Albacore]

SWIM says to for a first time user of LSD he/she would benefit from dosing on LSD and LSD only(at a low dose). Like the other posters have stated, SWIY must learn about LSD first before combining it with anything else. As far of easing into the experience SWIM says make sure SWIY is with good friends if SWIY plans to dose with friends and to always leave SWIY's dirty laundry(negative thoughts) at the door.

SWIM goes on to say that LSD can be a beautiful, beautiful chemical and can be very "eye-opening" to SWIY. He also says that taking LSD by itself is in his opinion the best way to take it. SWIM goes on to say that opinions are like Kiss albums, everyone has at least one in their record collection and they are all overrated.

-Pope Albacore

[psyde_effect]

2 doses would be amazing, especially with some good stuff. when i did one dose my first time, it was nothing in comparison to 2. 2 is low, 2 is beautiful, 2 is good. enjoy!

[lineartransform]

SWIM does not recommend "easing into" psychedelic doses. The majority of anxiety and tension from first time users is in the transition period between sobriety and tripping.

Full on tripping with a sitter in a good environment rarely leads to issues. A half dose of overstimulation and odd effects while still being sober enough to comprehend everything is a recipe for a "bad" newbie trip.

SWIM would suggest taking a dose which is clearly above threshold, yet does not push the boundaries too much - ie 1 hit to try generally. SWIM sees little point in using MDMA or other substances before taking the LSD - frankly it seems to SWIM that one may be slightly afraid of LSD and is searching for an "easy way out" of a bad trip.

SWIM would concentrate more on set and setting, and less on additional chemicals to ensure an enjoyable evening.

[FrogEye]

Originally Posted by lineartransform

frankly it seems to SWIM that one may be slightly afraid of LSD and is searching for an "easy way out" of a bad trip.

Actually the real reason was because SWIM is planning on going to a doof and wanted to roll for a bit during the day and smoke a little weed then hit the trips. But was thinking of taking the trips to perhaps coincide with the MDMA, but after hearing the advice i think SWIM will take the LSD after the MDMA has finished with the effects.

[lineartransform]

If SWIM may, SWIM would suggest perhaps delaying the LSD to another day.

For SWIY's first LSD experience, an MDMA comedown may not be the best starting point. If SWIY has fun things to do during the day, do them - and then why does LSD have to be that night? (forgive SWIM, he does not know what a doof is)

SWIM would recommend starting dead sober when trying LSD for the first time, and perhaps adding in cannabis only if SWIY is a frequent cannabis user - if only for the simple fact that a few hours of MDMA + then a full LSD trip is likely to be exhausting.

[FrogEye]

Perhaps, really depends on the day. In Australia, a doof is an organized event that the drug culture organize that takes place either in the middle of the bush somewhere or at someones large property where many people that are 'in the know' come together, have dj's playing all the time, set up large tents, posters etc and everybody is on drugs or selling them. Basically like a dj concert or something. Very much 60's hippy vibe going on. Now i know everybody is going to jump in and go "You need a known place blah blah" but i know people there and they are all very experienced with LSD, so its probably the best place to be and there is such a good vibe around everyone. Plus I grew up in a rural area and i spent much of my childhood running around in the bush and that playing soldier or whatever with my mates, being in the bush hasn't ever scared me, its always reminded me of when i was a kid so i think thats a + for SWIM taking LSD i think.

[Burnt]

SWIM would recommend against taking other drugs while taking LSD for the first time. Other drugs will interfere with the trip or make it stronger. Just take the stuff clean in a comfortable setting and relax and all will be well. If SWIM mixes LSD with MDMA he becomes a paranoid tripped out wreck of a human. SWIM also finds MDMA interferes with the purity and clarity of the LSD experience its a nice combination but SWIM loves LSD so much he sees no reason to ever mix it.

[lineartransform]

SWIM would recommend simply taking the LSD during the day in that situation.

If you are in a location where there is little/no consequence to being publicly intoxicated and the majority of people are familiar with your state, you will likely have a great time.

Psychedelics during the day can be a very good way to "ease" into the experience (darkness tends to cause paranoia for some due to our chimp brains - these instincts kept us alive for thousands of years, after all!)

[FrogEye]

Originally Posted by lineartransform

SWIM would recommend simply taking the LSD during the day in that situation.

Yeah good idea, there goes my binge fantasy

[ljfe]

save SWIY's money, buy one cheap dose

[Panthers007]

Bongo & Associates, Unlimited found that working on a project while starting out was both anxiety-dispelling and interesting at the same time. Bongo's crew would embark while doing a project. Making candles was a favorite. As one entered the psychedelic state, the candles made, and the molds chosen, would change to ever stranger dimensions. Such as digging intricate patterns in snow (obviously done in winter), and then filling them with multi-colored liquified wax.

[cra$h]

as far as mixing drugs, if it's a first time, why not enjoy the purity something like LSD has? no need to adulterate it, unless you're looking for an extra rush. But with a first time with any drug, you'll get that rush without other more familiar drugs. Take it easy with acid especially, and just look for what acid embodies. A mind expanding interspective catalyst that unlocks another door of perception. And if you're all about the trippy visuals, do the acid culture a favor, and don't ever get near it.

[Psych0naut]

Although it is in my opinion wasting what might be the best thing about LSD, Benzodiazepines can be taken beforehand to dull the mental part of the trip. Benzodiazepines take away the mental part but leave the visual part of the trip untouched.

[FrogEye]

Originally Posted by Psych0naut

Although it is in my opinion wasting what might be the best thing about LSD, Benzodiazepines can be taken beforehand to dull the mental part of the trip. Benzodiazepines take away the mental part but leave the visual part of the trip untouched.

Interesting, although i will never try it until i am experienced with LSD because atm im more interested in opening my mind, but that may be very fun during a music festival. Has SWIY tried it? Whats it like?

[Jatelka]

^^^ For the flamingo, taking away the mental part of the trip would mean missing out on the majority of the trip.

Sure, hallucinations are cool, but what is far more wonderful and awe inspiring and joyful is the fact that thoughts race at 1 million miles per hour, and that leaps of consciousness are made, and that the whole of creation can be spread out before her, with complete understanding and clarity. For her this has always seemed "mental" rather than "hallucination", although of course the 2 are obviously deeply intertwined

She has never taken benzos before a trip, and doesn't see the point

If there are anxieties then attention should be paid to set and setting, rather than adding more chemicals to the mix.

Has your monkey read this...

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67996?

It contains much wisdom and should be compulsory reading prior to psychedelic adventures

If there are still anxieties then a rain check is advised.

LSD is wonderful, and it keeps very well in the freezer (or so she is told )

[52SDL]

Hello everyone, my sparrow wanted me to ask you guys a question.

He is wondering, since he is getting two hits of LSD tomorrow (hopefully), if he should take both hits for his first LSD experience. He know there is no way to tell the dose of the blotter, but the person he is getting him from who is very well versed in the use of psychedelics said 2 would be good for a trip, 3 would be way to much. My sparrow has used mushrooms before so would he be alright? He just asking for opinions, he knows there is no way to be 100% sure.

Thanks.

[lineartransform]

SWIM would never, ever, ever use benzos before a trip. That's like taking the wheels off a Ferarri, sitting in it, and making "VROOOOM!" noises for a few hours. Sure, you've been in a Ferarri, but you haven't driven it unless you really like to stretch the definition.

In short, a total waste and a great way to ruin SWIYs first acid experience.

Only time benzos are appropriate is a "freakout" that isn't easily talked down. Uou mentioned you were in a hippie type gathering. A "freakout" is not a totally unusual event, and would be well tolerated and dealt with by the wiser folks in this environment.

In short - quit trying to take the easy way out! If you aren't ready, you aren't ready. You can put as many training wheels on as you want, but when the ride starts, they're either going to fall off or get caught in the gears - useless or troublesome. No benefit.