Research Chem Prefix Comparison

[mariecurie]

SWIM has sampled the 2C, 2C-T, and 5-MeO chemicals a good bit, but has
not encountered the 4-HO or 4-Acetoxy varieties except for traditional
mushrooms.



I was wondering if some of the more experienced forum members could
point out which prefixes they find to be the best. I know, for example,
that the 5-MeO chemicals are generally regarded as being pretty
horrible when compared to the same chemical without the 5-MeO (such as
DMT vs. 5-MeO-DMT or AMT vs. 5-MeO-AMT).



Additionally, if anyone has a particular preference for a family of
chemicals (AMT and its modifications, DIPT and its modifications) I'd
be interested in hearing that as well.



I've heard the MIPT chemicals are wonderful, but I don't know whether the 4-ACO or 4-HO are generally better.



My Opinion:



2C family is decent, but generally not worthwhile. 2C-E needs a bit
more exploration. 2C-T family seems rather boring although T7 requires
exploration. 5-MeO family also seems rather unremarkable, although
5-MeO-DMT is an interesting version of DMT.

[hacnslash]

you can't really call anything the "5-MeO" family because that would include anything with a methoxy group attached to the fifth position on some sort of ring...probably hundreds of chemicals most of which aren't psychoactive at all.

That being said tryptamines I have found are more "appreciated" with a naked ring, ie dmt, dpt, dipt as opposed to their 5-meo or 4-ho or whatever analogs.

[mariecurie]

Good point, although I think you know what I meant. I just feel that
the 5-methoxy group makes them so crazy and unpredictable that they are
no longer useful. Might just be me, but I do know others who stay away
from them as well.



Do you have any experience with 5-MeO-MIPT because I've heard that's sort of an interesting compound.



SWIM wanted to know whether anyone had qualitative comments on the
differences (or goodness of) 5-meo-mipt, 4-ho-dipt, 4-aco-dipt,
4-ho-mipt, and/or 4-aco-mipt. He would be much appreciative!

[QGdoxl]

did you try trip reports from eworid? I know it's kinda hard
putting together an opinion from trip reports but I always try before
asking that way I am at least heading up the right path before I ask
questions about specific directions.

[allyourbase]

5meomipt is the strongest compound my monkey has ever tried....it completely blew away even the base diakyltryptamines....personally I dont think the 5methoxy group is too unpredictable, I just feel that for the most part they should only be experimented with by those who have tried a lot of the other compounds...many 5 methoxys are taken at too high of doses....such as 5meoamt, I dont believe that a proper dose should make you nauseous, has anyone tried smoking 5meoAMT besides my midget slaves? they say its quite the experience, and causes no nausea. 5meoDIPT is an evil, disgusting, and horrible substance....Im actually sort of glad its illegal to import. 5meoDMT is a pure neurotransmitter, which is why I think the experience on 5meoDMT is so devoid of the shocking sensory input its relative compounds are so famous for. if anything Id call 5meoDMT almost narcotic when insufflated, and very spiritual but somehow less than psychedelic when smoked. the 4HO compounds hold up rather nicely, as they dont last very long and are usually void of nausea, freakouts, et cetera. particularly 4 OH MiPT (yes the O and H are transversed.) the MiPT compounds, near as I can tell are some of the most visually stunning compounds available.... a large dose of 5meoMiPT beat out DMT visually...no joke...my dwarven underlings say that the peak of a 12 milligram 4 OH MiPT experience was in fact better than the peak achieved by eating 7 grams ofdried mushrooms. 4 HO DiPT is interesting as well, although to my gnomes, it lacked in visual presentation, although, not entirely. It can be said from their experiments with 4 ho dipt that its far more of a "body trip", and although it is similar to mushrooms, in this case science did not outshine nature. the theory is that acetoxys convert to hydroxys on the brain, which I do believe to be true, howeversome alsobelieve some of the compound is lost to methylamine oxidation during this process, which is why it takes nearly twice as much of an acetoxy as it does of a similar hydroxy.Edited by: allyourbase

[allyourbase]

out of curiosity, has anyone heard of alpha alkyl hydroxy compounds? is there a 4 ho AMT for example? 4ho AET? and are acetoxys smokeable?

[anj0vis]

4-ho-amt is found from Tihkal under AMT section, mentioned briefly that it was tried up to 15mg where some threshold effects appeared. So it could be interesting or then not, we'll see if any courageous chemist ever puts some into more public trials.