Extracted DMT or Ayahuasca

[uqlfy]

I have been looking into both extracting DMT and brewing
ayahuasca. Its been two years since I have tripped. I have alot of
trips under my belt. Some of the heavier being 14grams shrooms, LSD
guesstimate of 600 micgrams in 7 drops of liquid, and 4 pills
containing eithier MDA or MDMA. Im not a hardhead just like to trip
out.

Would extraction or ayahuasca be my best bet for a spiritual kinda trip?

Also I have seen recipes for ayahuasca that are composed of various plants. Which combo worked best for you?

[xctico]

be carefull. ayahuasca is a drug for your spirit, and not one to be taken lightly.


Even though you have had trips, with lsd mdma, mushrooms, those are all mostly mind oriented drugs. except maybe shrooms, they're in between.


Im not telling you not to do it, just to be carefull. I haven't done it my self but I've done research with shamans, and they consider it one of the most sacred substances for a reason. So besides the physiological dangers of maoi's beware of the spiritual dangers of bad karma during an ayahusca trip.

[uqlfy]

Thanks for the advice. I am looking for a spirital experience
this time around. Seeing as to how you have knowledge of shamanic
practice, perhaps you could give some tips on how to use this to reach
the elusive 4++++ on shulgin scale. I do have some knowlege of
kundalini yoga. Would this apply here in your opinion?

[xctico]

of course kundalini applies, is a powerfull ally at the spirit world. but carlos castaneda's literature will give you much more powerfull tools, and preparation for the trip. It will also teach you how to make use of your energy. It might take years before you're ready for the ayahuasca, patience is a good thing. once you know the spirit world deeply you can control your purga much better.

[uqlfy]

That is now on my to read list. What are some of the bad karmic
consequences if one is not ready? Are you talking about a kind of
threefold wiccan law or more of a introspective realization of my own
negative actions on myself and others? Have you personally spoken
to anyone who sufferd these consequences or is this mainly anecdotal
wisdom?

[xctico]

All inorganic creatures are dangerous, and powerfull but if you aproach them with no preparation you're fucked, "might end up in a mental institution" kind of fucked. Carrying bad karma might give them something to work with when they "attack" or "explore" your fears. For they will produce great fear on you, not because of bad intentions but because of their curiosity.





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we should move this conversation to the ayahuasca forum before alfa or another moderator tells us to, it aint fit with research chemicals, plus we can get more feedback from others.

[uqlfy]

Oh didnt know i posted in wrong spot. Should I start new thread there? Could just pm but i think others could benefit from conversation. So are these inorganics like candomble deity or more generic daemons?

[xctico]

read castaneda. It's dificult to explain who the Alies are.

[Nagognog2]

I have used ayahuasca - yage - quite a few times. While the classical concoction is made with Banisteriopsis Caapi and Prestonia Amazonica, I simply extracted Peganum Harmala - Syrian Rue - which I ground to a powder. I used iso-propyl alcohol 91%, and allowed the liquid to evaporate naturally. I then heated the resulting red paste in a low oven, 100C, until I was certain the alcohol was gone. Then I weighed out 500mg and placed this in gel caps. I then used commercially available 5-Meo-DMT as the tryptamine. I had no source for DMT as it is illegal in my country. 10 - 20mg of the 5-Meo was fine. Anything over 30mg was likely to induce a loss of awareness and total amnesia. The extraced Peganum Harmala paste was taken first, then 20 minutes later the 5-Meo was taken. Both orally.


Fantastic experiences. Whereas LSD could be compared to being like shiny stainless-steel, this was like finely polished mahogony/ Deep, rich, natural. Real! I also experimented in using different beta-carbolines as well as the harmaline and harmine present in the extract - which also contains harmol and harmalol. Such as a 6-methoxy form of tetrahydroharmine and tatrahydroharman. But these I synthesized in my lab and, as such, are unavailable. My experiments continue.


Next stop is trying this with DPT in place of the 5-Meo-DMT and/or DMT. I have never heard of anyone doing this. Maybe some wrathful deity ate them alive! Well, bon appetite! I'll see what this does this coming summer...Don't be afraid of ayahuasca, but do start low with your system clean and be respectful. Taking a large dose with resulting amnesia requires ground-control, a sitter, to keep one from rolling in front of a truck or something! Not recommended.This is NOT a mixture to take at a rave - dude! Hahahaha!!

[allyourbase]

DMT is insanely easy to extract... one could theoreticly do it with just the DMT containing botanical, regular kitchen vinegar, and baking soda.....although Id advise using pure citric or muriatic acid in solution for the extraction and sodium hydroxide to unhook the salt base. youd then just need a nonpolar substance for your freebase to merge with, I advise DCM, but Ive heard of people going so far as to use natural cooking or mineral oils hilariously.....most household extractions are done with some form of naptha though, which is easily obtainable, although it takes quite a while to emaciate.Edited by: allyourbase

[uqlfy]

Thanks for the input everyone. Most helpful. It will be about 3 weeks for me to acquire materials. I look forward to posting what i hope will be a very satisfied report on experience. Probaly going with ayahuasca. Extraction may be easy but I think it would be easier to just boil plant with lemon juice amd water. Anyway thanks again.

[sterling77]

Someone actually told me once that Ayahuasca has been used to break
addictions used alongside with a therapy program. Supposedly
cleansed and renewed the spirit (with proper usage)? Just
something I heard in a converation awhile ago.

[allyourbase]

sterling, Ive had a friend who broke a 9 year cocaine (smoked) addiction with one exposure to 5meoMiPT.

[sterling77]

That's amazing. Really makes you wonder at the extent the mind can be manipulated.

[lilsteve]

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[nanobrain]

^definitely not. you will be in for one hell of a ride.

in fact, please do not mix MAOI's with psychs until you gain extensive experience and knowledge on both the mechanisms of action of all questioned agents and your own metabolic nuances.

[xctico]

as long as you don't take it orally it will be active, but dmt is not
activee orally by itself. because monoamine will get rid of ALL DMT
found in the digestive system, a MAOIS becomes necesary to inhibit such
a reaction. that's the principle behind ayahuasca. The roblem here is
that Monoamine is the only tool your body has for regulating it's own
quemestry... so you DONT want to turn it off for the heck of it!

if you're gonna use a Maoi try to get one that inhibits only
monoamine-a , there's a and b... so you still have monomaine oxidation
in your system... [try syrian rue] teh drug will work in great ways,
and you will be a lot safer, and a lot farther from the ER.

[allyourbase]

5meodmt is best done vaporized by itself IMO. taken any other route it seems to have more the action of a psychedelic narcotic than an actual halucinogen.

[nanobrain]

xctico, he referred to 5-MEO-DMT.

[xctico]

Originally Posted by nanobrain

xctico, he referred to 5-MEO-DMT.

forgive my
ignorance bro. I have to do a little homework on 5 meo dmt, I though
it had the same limitations as dmt when it came to being absorved
orally.

[uqlfy]

xctico thank you for your advice about allys, if you get a chance
i posted my experience yesterday. You were so on the money about mental
institute fucked. When i first started to hear its voice almost jumped
out of my skin. Scary doesnt do it jutice when you actually have a
conversation with an ally.

[sterling77]

xctico, have you ever heard of the books "The Teachings of Don Juan" or "A Separate Reality"? I'm reading A Separate Reality, it's about a Yaqui Indian teaching an anthropologist about their way of knowledge through drugs (mainly peyote)...he talks about allies a lot.

You are right when you said they are hard to explain, it took the guy around 3 years to get a decent concept on what they were.

They are supposedly not good nor evil,but simply exist as we humans do. Their powers can be harnessed and they can take on any form, even human bodies. They can help you to "see" and they might change you- just be respectful and try not to be ignorant.

Pretty interesting subject IMO.

[sterling77]

Originally Posted by xctico

but carlos castaneda's literature will give you much more powerfull tools, and preparation for the trip.

Oh sorry lol...didn't see that. Now I feel like a dumbass.

[lilsteve]

i know about using maois for oral DMT consumption, at least through
ayahuasca. i was asking if 5-meo-dmt was like amt where it had its own
maoi.


a friend of mine has smoked dmt on several occasions, and he was interest in smoking with an maoi. any opinions?

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Edited by: lilsteve

[Nagognog2]

You would need an MAOI for 5-Meo-DMT to be active orally. Simply dissolving the 5-Meo-DMT into a measured volume, after weighing of course, of USP grade acetone and infusing same into mint leaves is one way I know of for a clean one-hit experience that negates the oral route. Just be sure all the acetone is allowed to evaporate.


A friend of mine ingested 150mg. of a-Ethyltryptamine acetate, which is also a MAOI,some years ago before it was outlawed. A few hours later he smoked some 5-Meo-DMT, 5mg, in mint leaves. He had a very profound reaction. Much more so than usual. He also had total amnesia. He was speaking clearly and lucidly to people who were not present. The effect lasted about 20 minutes.When he returned to "normal" he remembered nothing and said we'd made it all up. He also had amnesia about leaving his tape-recorder on his guitar running. Man was he embarrassed! Hahaha!!Edited by: nagognog2