Opinions - Comparing poppies to other opiates

[Herbal Healer 019]

Compare the effects of poppies to other opiates here.
Also rate opiates which SWIyou has tried on a scale of 1-10

4 SWIM:
Oxycodone- analgesic properties: 10, euphoria: 10
Hydrocodone- analgesic properties: 9, euphoria: 10
Codeine- analgesic properties: 7, euphoria: 8
Tramadol- analgesic properties: 8.5, euphoria: 8
Kratom- analgesic properties: 8, euphoria: 9
Pods- ? that's y SWIM made the thread

[G_nome]

SWIM's ratings:

Heroin-10
Pods-9
Methadone-7
Dihydrocodeine-6
Temgesics-5
Codeine-4
Tramdadol-3

[chillinwill]

Heroin - 10
Hydromorphone - 9
Fentanyl - 8
Oxycontin - 8
Morphine - 7
meperidine - 6
Methadone - 5 or 6
Bupe - 4 or 5
Opium - 4
Hydrocodone - 3
Codeine - 2
Tramadol - 1

Forgot about Propoxyhene - 1
Pods - 2

[fiveleggedrat]

This is having no tolerance. Being tolerant, none of this applies at all.

Tramadol 9
Heroin 6 (snorted)
Hydromorphone 7 (snorted)
Hydrocodone 8
Oxycodone 6
Propoxyhene 3
Methadone 5, only for duration. Effects themselves were lame. No euphoria.
Codeine 5
Kratom 5

Will add as Swim thinks of.

[G_nome]

umm...kratom's not an opiate. It may give opiate like effects and work on one of the opioid receptors, but it's not an opiate.

[Herbal Healer 019]

Nor is tramadol, itz an atypical opiate not derived from papavar somniferum & acts on the mu opioid receptor as does kratom which acts on both delta and mu opioid receptors.

[G_nome]

Yes it may be atypical, but i'm sure tramadol is still classed as an opiate.
And i think kratom just works on the delta opioid receptor, not mu as well. Though i could be wrong on this.

[Herbal Healer 019]

-"An interesting minor alkaloid of Kratom, 7-hydroxymitragynine, has been reported to be more potent than morphine. Both Kratom alkaloids are reported to activate supraspinal mu- and delta- opioid receptors, explaining their use by chronic narcotics users to ameliorate opioid withdrawal symptoms".

~source-http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=20147659

It works on both receptors, why would tramadol b considered opiate and not kratom if they both work on opiate receptors responsible 4 producing opiate effects yet are not derived from papavar somniferum?...gettn a lil off topic here lol

Can sum1 plz compare the pods to other opiates in terms of euphoria and analgesic properties in addition to rating opiates..

[chillinwill]

in SWIM's experience, pods come nowhere near the properties of say heroin, morphine, or hydromorphone....SWIM gets the opiate high but of course its not as powerful as other opiates

[Herbal Healer 019]

SWIM was under the impression the pods themselves did contain both morphine and codeine...prolly just to a lesser extent than say pure morphine sulfate/hcl or pure codeine sulfate/phosphate?

[chillinwill]

Yes they do....SWIM just classifies pods as another substance than to combine that with say morphine or codeine since then most drugs would either involve morphine or codeine

[G_nome]

SWIM loves pods, closest thing he's got to heroin, and he was IVing that. The only reason he gave the pods a 9 and not a 10 is coz they don't give him that rush he used to get when he slammed a bag of heroin, that shit used to give him a hard on!
But i don't think SWIM would ever go back to using heroin, he's happy with his pods.

[fiveleggedrat]

So are we discussing all drugs with opiate effects or JUST those from the poppy? Guys, they are plenty of opioids that come from places besides the poppy. Kratom acts on opioid receptors. So does tramadol. It IS an opioid, whether you agree or not.

If this thread is just about opiates, let me ask why, and why not opioids in general? What makes tramadol and kratom not worth talking about or mentioning? They both causes opiate effects, and they both act of the same receptors as other opioids.

Sorry, but I just get the feeling we are being closed-minded here. I am certainly not trying to start a fight, so don't interpret it that way.

[Herbal Healer 019]

The thread is about opiates/oids derived from the Papavar Somniferum plant as well as plants or synthetics acting on opioid receptors & producing opiate effects, which is y SWIM added tramadol to SWIMs list..SWIM only recently found out that kratom acts on both the delta and mu opioid receptors, therefore it is worth mentioning. Plz refer to SWIMs list above^^

[G_nome]

We might as well include salvia on here as well then, as that contains salvinorin A, which is an opioid agonist working on the kappa opioid receptor

[fiveleggedrat]

^^ is correct, but Salvia is a rare plant in that it produces no typical opioid effects, unless one happens to trip balls when doing heroin

There is a derivative of Salvinorin B called Herkinorin. This is a more real opioid.

Anything that acts on opioid receptors is an opioid. Whether or not produce effects similar to traditional opiates like morphine is another question.

Does not have to act on the Mu receptor to be an opioid.

Wiki opioid receptors. Great information there.

[G_nome]

It's all very interesting.
And SWIM has often "tripped" on heroin. Not trip as in an acid trip but he just kinda went into another world, got all delusional an shit. People he was with thought he was losing it ha.
Ahh good days

[fiveleggedrat]

Some users of opioids get abnormal activity on the K receptor, which causes hallucinations and what Swiy described. Def. not common, Swim personally has never had anything even CLOSE, and Swim wants it to stay that way, haha.

Butorphanol and Pentazocine are two opioids that are morphine like in effects, but tend to have nasty K receptor side effects, since they stimulate the K as well and Mu, if not more.

[G_nome]

SWIM actually found it quite enjoyable. He remembers one time whilst nodding, he was lying on his bed and he thought someone was handing him cheeseburgers through the window. He came round and asked his mate, do you want a cheeseburger too?
Should seen the look SWIM got.
SWIM always seemed more susceptible to this kinda thing happening than any of his fellow fiends.
And it's only been IV heroin that's ever done this to him.