Experiences - Picamilon is amazing!

[brooklyn718]

I posted a thread about a kava preparation that rids me of anxiety and makes me feel peacful for a few hours.


I had finaly got my picamilon order today and took 100 mg. I thought i felt slightly intoxicated 30 mins after i took it but i regarded it as plecebo.


After about an hour i was sitting in a chineese joint waiting for my food and i realized i was completely void of anxiety. Intoxication at this point is barely noticable. The anti-anxiety effect blew xanax and kava for this matter out of the water. Think of being completely void or anxiety with pleasant stimulation. At the dose of 100 mg it is supposed to be more stimulating anhow, but thje anti anxiety effect is simply amazing.


For those who didnt know picamilon is a form of GABA that goes directly to your brain, as we know GABA itself does not get to the brain.


I have also been taking daily for my smart regimen:


piracetam 650 mg, b-50 complex, Acetyl l-carnatine 500 mg, fish oils 100-200 mg, 7-10 grams lecithin, 1200 mcg B-12, and begining last week 75 mg Kavain each morning, along with a fine cup of green tea. The effect is amazing each morning and after weeks of use i can more easily bring myself down from states of anger and panic (which i experiance daily due to financial stress) and overall there is a sense of well being (very "glowy" not subtle) after this regimen i no longer bring my attitudes with me, and can become exstatic and happy in each new environment. Green tea throughout the day brings the effects back from the morning dose. The effects are also cumulative and permanent when cycled correctly.


I have since experianced mental clarity, energy without the need for stimulants like nicotine and coffee. Any forms of depression (normal depression everyone experiances) do not exist any more. Dreams are very vivid, and when i wake up i feel ready to jump out of bed. I have been sick, less often, do not procrastinate, and a million other great effects. The only thing was that my anxiety, although inhibited due to the smart-drugs, was still there. Picamilon zapped the anxiety out of the picture. I am adding this to my daily regimen.,


I plan on adding some to water so I can drink it at the end of the work day, so by the time I experiance the sunsets on the train ride home, im feeling content.

Reputation Comments on this post:

	Interesting, thanks for sharing.
	pretty good post, i like how you go into detail about your experiences with this not-too-common substance

[nEone]

Piracetam is pretty common in Health Food supplements in the US (or it was last time I checked). Just check in the vitamin/supplement aisle at your local grocery store.

[GoaM]

Right on. I'm glad you had a positive effect from it. It wore off for me. Phenibut is also pretty good anxiety wise but is a bit sedating. Hmmm. I may have to try picamilon again. I still have a bottle of powder laying around.

[sterling77]

Originally Posted by nEone

Piracetam is pretty common in Health Food supplements in the US (or it was last time I checked). Just check in the vitamin/supplement aisle at your local grocery store.

Really??? I've never seen piracetam in any health/supplement store ever, and believe me I've looked! I thought in the US it was only available through the internet.

[spacelord]

has anyone here tried picamilon alone i.e. w/o any other nootropics or stimulants?

[arcticjoe]

Picamilon does absolutely nothing for me (beyound a century brand). I've taken as much as 500mg and felt nothing at all.

[mictihtoya]

Yeah, picamilon did nothing for me either. However I also tried and felt nothing from piracetam, vinpocetine, centrophenoxine, lecithin, l-selegiline, and probably some other nootropics.

[snapper]

Any other picamilon experiences. SWIM has been trying it with phenibut for anxiety and mood swings but has found the effects subtle up to 50 mg. Do those who use it dose higher, and with what frequency ?

[Broshious]

Originally Posted by snapper

Any other picamilon experiences. SWIM has been trying it with phenibut for anxiety and mood swings but has found the effects subtle up to 50 mg. Do those who use it dose higher, and with what frequency ?

SWIM has had only one positive Picamilon experience. He has/had bad social anxiety problems so one night before going to a party filled with people he didn't know he took ~1g of Picamilon. He actually was able to mostly enjoy it as opposed to hate it. That was the only time he really felt results from Picamilon.

[Spelvin]

SWIM has had some decent experiences with picamilon, but wouldn't call it 'amazing'. swim requires about 250 mg to really feel good, somewhat stimulated for hours without any more need for caffeine. This is certainly not a drug one gets "high" off, but its subtle feel-good effects are nice, come on in about 1 to 2 hours and last for a few more. SWIM has only tried this a few times, and plans on trying it again at some point when social anxiety needs to be quelled. Swim has not noticed feeling particularly sociable or friendly while under picamilon's influence so far however.

[spacelord]

I read picamilon also had a slight MAO inhibiting effect. Can it still be combined safely with an SSRI?

[NeuroMD]

Originally Posted by spacelord

I read picamilon also had a slight MAO inhibiting effect. Can it still be combined safely with an SSRI?

It can. Just stay under 150 mg.

[Richard_smoker]

Question: apparently there is an issue with differing effects from person to person (per this thread)...I will say this: such variation in effects is extraordinarily common when you're talking about ANYTHING in the U.S. that isn't regulated by the FDA or anyone else...
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...i keep thinking that there is or WILL BE a company who's supplement-business-plan included consistency in product as well as measuring each dose, not in terms of how much inert plant material you can cram into a gel cap, but in how much "active constituents"/alkaloids/etc go into each capsule!

For this reason, I am completely hesitant to purchase this supplement picamilion, although it sounds great. Can someone come back and either tell me the "good" brand or specific instructions on how to obtain "good" brand from internet!

Thanks a lot, I know this isn't a pretty or glamorous job. but if you know something--or could find out something, that would definitely make my day! Good luck.
-DICK

[Barksdale]

picamilon works very bad as a nootropic. It supposedly works great as a HGH stimulant though.

[Alfa]

More experiences would be welcome...

[Jatelka]

^^^ Indeed: This thread has over 5300 views and only 16 posts

[Lehendakari]

A monkey I know ordered once 20 grams of picamilon after reading (and being fooled) about its wonderful properties.

The first day the monkey took it he felt some effects from it, or at least he thought he did. The effects were mainly less anxiety and a bit of energy.

After several doses he now thinks everything he felt was placebo. He dosed from 50 mg to 2000 mg.

The rest of the powder is now used to fill up gelcaps with real drugs in them.

[oggy]

Picamilon is GABA combined with niacin B3. Could one get the same effects taking GABA + B3 Preferably the coenzyme version of B3 nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide (NADH). Maybe even supplementing with L-Glutamine + P-5-P to synth GABA + NADH (B3) would then have the same effect as picamilon. This way our body has done the synthisis of the neurotransmitter GABA building a more natural resistance to anxiety for longer term treatment?

NAD (B3) can be synthesized from scratch from the amino acid L-Tryptophan. So adding L-Tryptophan would further increase the happy well being nootropic effect.

So supplementing with L-Glutamine + B6 (P-5-P) + L-Tryptophan would be the best long term treatment for you well being. L-Glutamine + B6 synths GABA, L-Tryptophan synths B3, B3 + GABA = Picamilon.

[oggy]

Picamilon is able to cross the blood-brain barrier and then is hydrolyzed into GABA and niacin. The released GABA in theory would activate GABA receptors potentially producing an anxiolytic response. The second released component, niacin acts as a strong vasodilator, which might be useful for the treatment of migraine headaches.

Sounds good. SWIM might try this. Does anyone know if long term usage would would be safe? And would picamilon be using up ones stored gaba like benzodiazepines do or is picamilon providing its own gaba helping to rebuild natural gaba? Or would it be more like taking GHB/GBL further screwing SWIM's gaba receptors?

GHB is a naturally-occurring substance found in the central nervous system, wine, beef, small citrus fruits, and almost all animals in small amounts. It is also a neuroprotective.

GHB is naturally produced in the human body's cells and is structurally related to the ketone body beta-hydroxybutyrate. GHB is also produced as a result of fermentation, and so is found in small quantities in some beers and wines.

So eating a high citrus fruit diet might increase natural GHB/GABA as I'm sure fruit ferments in the large intestine.

I need to learn more about the neurotransmitter GABA as I think that's where my problem lies.

I will be studying biology soon at uni/college to do nutrition so it should give me a better understanding but in the mean time does anyone have a clue about this?

[Hover]

Originally Posted by oggy

Picamilon is GABA combined with niacin B3. Could one get the same effects taking GABA + B3 Preferably the coenzyme version of B3 nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide (NADH)

Preferably? As far as Swim knows synthetic NADH is not something commonly found on store shelves, better let one's liver do the lab work

Swim doesn't know if concomitant ingestion of GABA with B3 could result in providing a ready transport for GABA to cross the BBB, or if pre-administration molecular manipulation would be required to produce Picamilon. Since both GABA and B3 are cheap and easy to get a hold of it should be easy to find out without much of a budgetary hit.