Overdose - Bad Codeine Experience - Too Much?

[R3D_D34D]

Hi, SWIM did a CWE on 48 x 10codein/500paracetemol pills and drank it all last week, he felt pretty good for about 30mins then experienced extreme nausea including a need to breath deeply (panting) and a feeling in the stomach like he needed to vomit but when he tried nothing would come up. It was a pretty shitty feeling which lasted about 6hours although there was some moments when he felt great.
So SWIM's thinking maybe 450mg was way too much considering he has no opiod tolerance?
He's about to do another CWE on 16 x 12.8codeine/200ibuprofen, would this be a more sensible dose?
And SWIM's main question is: is there anything he can do to hold back the nausea? like is there any other OTC drug SWIM could take to prevent the nausios feeling?

[Panthers007]

450mg without tolerance can render one comatose. An active recreational dosage is between 60mg - 120mg without tolerance. Medical dosages are 8mg - 60mg.

[KomodoMK]

Originally Posted by Panthers007

450mg without tolerance can render one comatose. An active recreational dosage is between 60mg - 120mg without tolerance. Medical dosages are 8mg - 60mg.

That said, my little fishy had no tolerance and tried 201.2mg of Codeine which resulted in 10 minutes of mild effects then nothing. Any less than that and not a thing would be felt at all. Just goes to show we are all different, and it's best to start low and work your way up. After all you can up the dose but not reduce it once it's in your system.

[fiveleggedrat]

I have read elsewhere anything over 400mg at once is an overdose. Also, that anything over 400 won't be absorbed either. The doses you described are also rather large by many's standards.

Anything over 300 is illness for Swim personally, who has a big mental tolerance.

[R3D_D34D]

wow I really shoulda done more dose research, at least SWIM'S ok tho
I'm guessing SWIM will get about 150mg from the CWE he's doing right now so he'll enjoy it this time

[R3D_D34D]

well sWIM's 16 x 12.8codeine/200ibuprofen CWE didn't do much for him, he didn't put as much time and effort into the extraction as last time tho. he felt kinda good and didn't really feel like drinking alcohol (he pretty much always wants to drink). next time he'll up the dose to 22 x 12.8codeine/200ibuprofen

[RoboCodeine7610]

First of all 400mg is a dose swim, even after all of his codeine experiences (has been doing codeine for about a year) has never even considered trying, and the idea of someone with no opiate tolerance taking that much and not overdosing seems quite unlikely to swim.
Swim thinks swiy just didn't do a proper extraction and that a lot of it was lost in the process, which is why you got not effects from the lower dose.
Swim suggests that you do your research on CWE and attempt to get a better yield.
SWIOutridex wrote an awesome CWE FAQ, swim thinks you should read it in detail:
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55790

By the way, AWESOME FAQ Outridex!
Robo

[nikky36]

SWIM has also experienced the rather nasty gasping/panting for breath when lying down.........

[100mg Methylphenidate]

Swiy probably just overdosed on codeine a bit...

Somewhere around 400mg is all your liver can metabolize at once, so taking more is pointless. And in MOST people 8-12% of the codeine (correct me if I'm wrong on the percentages) turns into morphine..sweet sweet morphine... But some people don't have much of the enzyme required to metabolize it at all. Codeine gives swim a mild yet loopy buzz. It's different than hydrocodone/oxycodone/morphine, but still enjoyable nonetheless.

[cra$h]

if the cwe was done poorly, some apap could have gotten in the final solution, and from swim's experience, can even ruin a 30mg dose, with repeated puking, and just a sense of loating, but 400mg? is swiy fucking crazy? No wonder swiy had a rough time. 100mg for the experienced, but untolerated user could get swim to never do opiates again (maby that's what swim needs....)

[scruffyloather]

SWIM has found that the stomach can become upset if the chicken soup is taken on an empty stomach. Especially if there is trace apap in there.

[frankz81]

sounds like the breathing could have been anxiety related, i have had this problem alot, always happen if i feel an abnormal breath when i know i have taken a big dose...then every breath is an effort with gasping and such

[phatassone]

OTC Anti-histamines such as diphenhydramine or Promethazine can help... Marijuana is also used to prevent nausea by some...

[TheNewLeft]

if i had to guess i would say the nausea came from residual APAP in your CWE solution. 500mg of APAP per unit, times 48 means you probably ingested alot of tylonal as well, unless of course, you're pretty good at CWEs.

[InTheCity]

SWIM just did a CWE on about 37 tylenol 1s, aiming for a 300mg codeine dose. SWIM was getting impatient and might have botched the CWE. There was pretty much ALL of the white sludge left in the filter, but the final product was alot cloudier than SWIM usually sees. SWIM didn't have any filters left so he could refilter it, SWIM is wondering if he might have seriously f'ed up? He just thinks about if the white powder that SOMEHOW made it through the still intact filter, how much of it was APAP? 300mg, 1g, 1g+? At what level does the APAP became lethal?

Is it possibly just paranoia? SWIM is seriously messed right now

like SERIOUSLY messed

[538wireman]

Swiy DEFINITELY should have went out and got some more filters before ingesting. In a PINCH, swim has read that paper towels folded up or napkins will work for a "make-shift" filter.
From what swim has read on this Forum and other sources, 4g. of Apap is the MOST swiy can safely ingest in a 24hr. period of time. Opinions vary but that seems to be the "standard".
If swiy has NOT ingested yet, they might try the paper towel/ napkin filter if swiy has no way of running out to get more REAL filters.
It is definitely better to err on the side of caution.

[InTheCity]

Originally Posted by 538wireman

Swiy DEFINITELY should have went out and got some more filters before ingesting. In a PINCH, swim has read that paper towels folded up or napkins will work for a "make-shift" filter.
From what swim has read on this Forum and other sources, 4g. of Apap is the MOST swiy can safely ingest in a 24hr. period of time. Opinions vary but that seems to be the "standard".
If swiy has NOT ingested yet, they might try the paper towel/ napkin filter if swiy has no way of running out to get more REAL filters.
It is definitely better to err on the side of caution.

Good advice. SWIM is still alive so SWIM assumes the cloudier then usual CWE was neglible amounts of APAP/corn starch, but wont take that risk again. SWIM thought it was a pretty decent opiate buzz, but would like to mention he puked 2 hours after ingestion, luckily while he was at a timmys lol. After that he had some stomach pains for the rest of the night, ended up sleeping over at a friends and couldn't sleep until about 630am .

[scruffyloather]

SWIM has never used a filter ever. uses a shirt always. never a prob. liver fantastic.

[enquirewithin]

The combination of alchohol and paracetamol is dangerous. It can result in liver failure.