Health - Bodybuilding-GHB; does swiy know how to dose GHB or analogues for HGH production?

[saline29]

Swim is over using GHB to be high and wants to use it for benefits, which was why he got it to begin with. Does swiy know how to use GHB or any of its analogues for HGH production and bodybuilding/health?

[MrG]

Still no reply from any other users?

Ok, my 2.6 cents:

Given that the proven safe level for a GHB induced sleep cycle is 2x4.5g in order to achieve 8 hours of quality slow wave sleep, I would figure that the GHB induced Growth Hormone release is dose-dependant and that these two doses are probably a) The largest dose that should be taken in one go and only for sleep and b) ideally suited for the time that the body will most need to utilise additional GH as well as the restorative slow-wave sleep.

Although it should be noted, especially in regards to having used GHB for an extended period previously, I believe that there may be an issue of diminishing returns (tolerance). It is something I am looking into at the moment and will report in due course.

[dutch-marshal]

SWIm has read a study about ghb as an anabolic compund..

and found that a dose before sleeping does help growth...
but SWIM also found other studies that say GHb also releases "cortisol" that's a stress hormone that breaks down muscle tissue...

so SWIm also doesn't recomend taking high doses or any dose of ghb before going to sleep.... in SWIMS opinion it's just dangerous...

srry SWIM can't give SWIY links the studies where in "dutch"

[MrG]

D-M, you are somwhat mistaken in your belief that GHB taken before sleep is dangerous, in fact it is prescribed twice a night as Xyrem, for Narcoleptic patients who suffer from daytime cataplexy.

This thread might help you

[dutch-marshal]

oke SWIM was just worried about the effect that downers have the breathing mechanism...
sorry for SWIMS bad english, SWIM hope SWIY can understand..

but also SWIM found this info:

tranquilizers have a somewhat sordid image in our culture. Their use in suicides doubtless plays a large role in this. Both alcohol and the benzodiazepenes create a general body-wide depression of activity, including respiration. People who lethally overdose generally die because they simply stopped breathing.
GHB brings about sleep by a mechanism which, while poorly understood, is much closer to the body's natural process. Breathing and pulse are no more reduced than they are in normally sleeping people (breaths per minute may decrease, but oxygen intake is unaffected). High doses may make sleep deeper, to the point of unarousability, but once the GHB is metabolized subjects awaken unharmed

SWIM has read that 2.5/3 gram of ghb releases the most growth hormones.
but still.. SWIM has seen allot of people go out... and SWIMS spider sense is telling him to be carefull!

[MrG]

The Xyrem sleep dose is 4.5g, one taken at bedtime and a second 4.5g taken four hours later to total 8 hours.

[Amenselah]

GHB increased HGH production by 14 % and cortisol by 10 % so you actually get a 4 % increase of HGH of 4 %...

[dutch-marshal]

on what does SWIY base that numbers?
never heard of these numbers before

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[nrmis]

Seems to do something to prolactin too (whatever that is, lol)...

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t doses of 2.5 - 3.5 grams, GHB causes increased release of prolactin, doubling levels by the 45 minute mark, followed by a gradual return to baseline (33). Increases in prolactin have been shown to proportionally raise leptin levels, so this represents a possible positive effect on fat loss and muscle retention (37). Unfortunately, similar doses also raise cortisol levels, which has exactly the opposite effect of leptin on body composition (33). This antagonism might account for the lack of effects observed with GHB, and could perhaps be remedied with a drugs or supplement such as Cytadren or phosphatidylserine.
In addition to these, there are several other lesser known effects of GHB which have implications for bodybuilders. It increases gastric emptying (38), which is likely what causes the temporary increase in appetite observed with GHB use . Obviously, this is not particularly beneficial on a diet, though it might be on a mass phase. It also would likely make a good addition to a post-workout drink, as it would make glucose and amino acids available more quickly. Increased protein synthesis in brain and gastric tissues has been reported, whether this is accompanied by increased skeletal muscle synthesis is not known (39). Obese rats were found to have lower brain levels of GHB than their lean counterparts, despite identical diet, which suggests GHB as a potential signaler in the regulation of bodyweight (40) -- GHB metabolite GABA increases with fat feeding, which lends further support to this hypothesis. It has been shown to function as a powerful an antioxidant, blocking free-radical formation and lipid peroxidation (10). This could aid in recovery, as well as in overall health.

From here...
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/par3.htm