Effects - Can you feel the difference between Suboxone and Subutex?

[Swing]

For THE longest time SWIM has been trying to switch from Suboxone to Subutex. He's tired of the nasty orange taste that makes him want to puke, the constipation, the nausea and loads of other unpleasantries he thinks the nalaxone gives him. Every doctor he's seen would never switch him to subutex including his current doctor that says even if he wanted to he couldn't prescribe it because they can only give subutex to people that are in inpatient treatment which swim knows is bullshit. After tons of calling swim finally has an appointment to get subutex from a doctor. Now when swim was in detox he received pure buprenorphine IM injections which seemed pretty pleasant but only in small doses. So swim was wondering if there was a difference in the medications that users of Suboxone and Subutex have actually felt... And what is all this hype about people IVing pure bupe in europe?? Is it actually any good if you have the pure buprenorphine as opposed to the bupe/nalaxone combo?

[chillinwill]

In terms of taste, SWIM agrees with SWIY about the unpleasantness of suboxone. Ughh SWIM can still remember that taste now. As for being constipated and nauseated from suboxone, SWIM had those exact same effects from suboxone for the first couple of weeks or so and still would be fairly constipated after that. SWIM thinks that is because suboxone (the bup) is still considered a partial agonist opioid and that's why one gets constipated and such.

SWIM has had subutex a couple of times too but at the time he had it, he had no opiate tolerance and was just getting it from a friend. SWIM was puking and consipated on that as well

[biggpri]

swim used to be on a suboxone maintenance program. on the first day, the doc gave swim one subutex pill and a script for suboxone. swim didn't feel that much of a difference between the two. most of the bad side effects swiy described sound like they stem from the bupenorphine, which is in both subutex and suboxone. therefore, swiching from one to the other probably won't relieve them. perhaps a lower dose would.

[Psych0naut]

Originally Posted by Swing

For THE longest time SWIM has been trying to switch from Suboxone to Subutex. He's tired of the nasty orange taste that makes him want to puke, the constipation, the nausea and loads of other unpleasantries he thinks the nalaxone gives him. Every doctor he's seen would never switch him to subutex including his current doctor that says even if he wanted to he couldn't prescribe it because they can only give subutex to people that are in inpatient treatment which swim knows is bullshit. After tons of calling swim finally has an appointment to get subutex from a doctor. Now when swim was in detox he received pure buprenorphine IM injections which seemed pretty pleasant but only in small doses. So swim was wondering if there was a difference in the medications that users of Suboxone and Subutex have actually felt... And what is all this hype about people IVing pure bupe in europe?? Is it actually any good if you have the pure buprenorphine as opposed to the bupe/nalaxone combo?

The Naloxone in Suboxone has nothing to do with any of the negative effects you mentioned. Switching over to Subutex instead of Suboxone wouldn't make any difference.

Also, I don't know what you're talking about with what's the hype about people IV'ing pure Bupe in Europe, cause I've never even heared of it, so I'm shure it isn't a hype in Europe. Maybe it is in some country, but a European country is a European country, it doesn't represent the whole continent of Europe. I know that in Slovakia, if I'm not mistaken(might be a neighbouring country), recreational use of Subutex/Suboxone, is very popular among youth or even general population, but only snorting/sublingual administration is reported, no IV use. Do you have any good proof or statements to confirm this? Cause I'm curious about it.

[lexifer]

SWIM has always wondered whether or not one could inject subutex since it was only buprenorphine rather than the combo with naloxone. can't answer that one. however swim can say that he feels no difference between sniffing/sublingual use of suboxone and subutex. he does prefer subutex (when he can get it, suboxone is much more common in his area) however, mainly due to suboxone rancid pharmaceutical orange flavor. yuck. he actually had to deal with that horrid drip about an hour ago. he's gotten somewhat used to it but it still makes him want to gag occasionally. he doesn't mind the subutex taste, it kind of reminds him of a roxicodone 30's tastem which he has grown to thoroughly enjoy.

no difference, but subutex is preferrable.