Opinions - Hate BZP

[HardCorePrawn]

Hi Guys,

Hope this is the right place to post. A friend of mine is an experienced pill taker, 5 - 10 ezz normal for a night out. So recently decided to check out all these party pills. Tried a lot of BZP brands - hate them all.
They just have the effect of "contentment" no real high. And a lot of come-down, no sleep and sick feeling.

A friend also tried the red-rockets with a bit of a better result. Not very strong but quite chatty.

So, what are good ones out at the moment (without BZP!!!) Ive searched the site but its quite difficult to nail it down.

[KomodoMK]

There was a thread on here somewhere with the details of some GC/MS lab tested LU pills. Spent 5 minutes looking for it but can't find it anywhere. I believe the test showed the current generation of pills contained methylmethcathinone (known in some circles as Mephedrone) amongst other active/inactive chemicals.

My little fishy is of the opinion that the beta-ketones (Butylone, Methylone, Mephedrone) are the best available in the UK right now. They are in a legal grey area regarding the analogue laws of the MODA, but little fishy has had no trouble acquiring them on multiple occasions.

[HardCorePrawn]

So do most of the London Underground ones contain methylmethcathinone ?

Which are the strongest ? I was looking at the Doves, are they BZP free and good ?

[KomodoMK]

Originally Posted by HardCorePrawn

So do most of the London Underground ones contain methylmethcathinone ?

Which are the strongest ? I was looking at the Doves, are they BZP free and good ?

To be completely honest I wouldn't like to comment further as I can't find the thread with regards to what I said and my memory isn't serving me well on this occasion. The current generation of LU pills (at least in the UK) on all major headshops are Piperazine free as far as I'm aware.

My little fishy has tried both Methylmethcathinone and Methylone (bk-MDMA) on their own, with Methylone being the better of the two. These are available for shipping within Europe and are not all that expensive.

This is the direction I would point you in, but I can't give you any more information due to forum rules. A Google search should prove very useful.

Tip: Look for technical or botanical use as they can't be sold for human consumption (UK). Things such as plant food come to mind.

[naatural]

bubblyluv is apparently stuffed with methylmethcathinone which is reportedly quite fun... you coulda put up with a waiting list though so might be worth looking for the substance in its pure form

[HardCorePrawn]

SWIM decided to order some LU doves but instead actually ordered Neo Doves 2 God damn it !!!!

So do you think these are good ?

[KomodoMK]

Well my little fishy would much prefer methylmethcathinone than a piperazine based product. Only really one way to find out though...

[HardCorePrawn]

Originally Posted by KomodoMK

Well my little fishy would much prefer methylmethcathinone than a piperazine based product. Only really one way to find out though...

Agree too but my friends recent searching lead to these.

Do they have BZP ?

[KomodoMK]

Read my second post in this thread. I do think the 2nd gen LU pills in the UK are 4-MMCAT and not BZP, and I am sure a GC/MS lab test confirmed this... but don't hold me on it. I have not been able to relocate the source where I got this information from.

[HardCorePrawn]

But these are not LU, they are called "NEO DOVES" , any experience with them ?

[KomodoMK]

Ah the Neo Organics range - from what I have heard the gen 2.0 pills are great, far better than the first.

EDIT: Substances found in the neo organics 2.0 range using GC/MS and LC/MS are:

Product 1:
4-Methylmethcathinone

Product 2:
4-Fluoromethamphetamine
Phthalimidopropiophenone

Product 3 & 4:
4-Methylmethcathinone
Metamfepramone
Phthalimidopropiophenone
Caffeine

It does not distinguish which product is which in the range however. I can't post the source as it's another forum and links are not allowed.

[HardCorePrawn]

Thanks for the quick replies

[Mona Lisa]

Originally Posted by KomodoMK

Ah the Neo Organics range - from what I have heard the gen 2.0 pills are great, far better than the first.

EDIT: Substances found in the neo organics 2.0 range using GC/MS and LC/MS are:

Product 1:
4-Methylmethcathinone

Product 2:
4-Fluoromethamphetamine
Phthalimidopropiophenone

Product 3 & 4:
4-Methylmethcathinone
Metamfepramone
Phthalimidopropiophenone
Caffeine

It does not distinguish which product is which in the range however. I can't post the source as it's another forum and links are not allowed.

SWIY is actually thinking of the analyses done on the first generation of neos. ^^^^

It was the neodoves and spirits that were believed to contain mmcat (mephedrone).

The second generation of neos are rumoured to possibly contain ethylcathinones.

The LU Doves are more likely to contain butylone than MMCAT based on SWIM's and others' experiences.