Combinations - Alkalinizing Agents useful when Snorting?

[Freedom of Mind]

I know when taking amphetamines orally most alkalinizing agents, such as Baking Soda (Sodium Bicarbonate) and TUMS (Calcium carbonate}, enhance the effects of amphetamines.

However what about when snorting Amphetamines and taking TUMS and/or Baking Soda orally? Would the effect only apply to the amount that drips down the back of SWIM's throat and makes it to SWIM's stomach, or would the amphetamine absorbed through the nose also be enhanced?

[Felix Guattari]

Alkalinization doesn't exactly 'potentiate' so much as slow absorption in the stomach, thus having no effect on absorption in the nasal passages.

SWiY could, however, try snorting some baking soda. It wouldn't do anything, but SWiY could try it.

[Freedom of Mind]

Originally Posted by Felix Guattari

Alkalinization doesn't exactly 'potentiate' so much as slow absorption in the stomach, thus having no effect on absorption in the nasal passages.

SWiY could, however, try snorting some baking soda. It wouldn't do anything, but SWiY could try it.

SWIM thought it might only work taking them orally, but wanted to make sure SWIM wasn't missing out when on a potential booster when snorting. I think I'll pass on snorting baking soda.

Another thing SWIM is a bit unclear on regarding alkalinization agents and amphetamines is how exactly they increase the effects. I've seen it both referenced that they slow absorption and increase absorption, in the "Comprehensive Adderall Information Thread" they are referenced as increasing absorption. In what way does it by slowing absorption cause an increase at the same time? What goes on in the stomach causing the enhancement if the baking soda only plays a role in the stomach?

Also wouldn't slower absorption from the baking soda cause it to take longer for it to kick in, similar to the time release effect on some pills. So while it increases total length of the effects, it decreases peak effect?

Also looking at the "Comprehensive Adderall Information Thread" it says:

Alkalinizing agents - Gastrointestinal alkalinizing agents (sodium bicarbonate, etc.) increase absorption of amphetamines. Urinary alkalinizing agents (acetazolamide, some thiazides) increase the concentration of the non-ionized species of the amphetamine molecule, thereby decreasing urinary excretion. Both groups of agents increase blood levels and therefore potentiate the actions of amphetamines.

How much do the blood level increase effect give by Sodium Bicarbonate have on potentiating amphetamines compared to what goes on in the stomach? Also this effect would seem to work regardless of whether you are snorting or taking them orally.

[Freedom of Mind]

Originally Posted by Felix Guattari

Alkalinization doesn't exactly 'potentiate' so much as slow absorption in the stomach, thus having no effect on absorption in the nasal passages.

SWiY could, however, try snorting some baking soda. It wouldn't do anything, but SWiY could try it.

SWIM ended up snorting a combination of Anadenanthera colubrina, d-amphetamine, and baking soda. The reason for the baking soda wasn't to test this out, but since mixing baking soda with Anadenanthera colubrina is required for it to work well when snorting, SWIM ended up throwing d-amphetamine into the combination when doing my preparations.

SWIM preparation involved 1 and 1/3 seed of Anadenanthera colubrina, around half a 15mg dexedrine, baking soda, water, and using heat to evaporate the water faster.

Normally this amount of d-amp would have barely any effect due to tolerance, however SWIM felt pretty good amp type rush (stronger than what I would normally get from this amount), although it was an altered feeling, similar to being stoned while on a good d-amp dose.

Proceedure: crush up around 7.5 mg dexedrine, 1.3 Anadenanthera colubrina seed (heat them some and remove outer shell before crushing), put in a little bit of water, and put some baking soda in. SWIM used the heat from a lighter several times to speed up the drying of the product.

Since SWIM also used Anadenanthera colubrina, SWIN isn't sure how that altered the effects, as SWIM only tried it once on its own without dex. However SWIM does think quite possibly baking soda dissolved together with the d-amp then snorting it did cause an increase in effect. After snorting half the product (contained 3.75 d-amp approximently), within 2-5 minutes SWIM felt a pretty euphoric head rush similar to shortly after snort a good d-amp line. I snorted the other half over a time span of 18 minutes. SWIM felt pretty good and awake from this. 2 hours and 30 minutes SWIM ended up making a similar substance, using the the other half of the dex, baking soda, and another seed. SWIM got a similar effect again. SWIM might write up a more detailed report on this later (took some notes during it).

SWIM will likely try just d-amp and baking soda dissolved together in water using a similar method to see how that goes.

Is there a reason you are saying it won't do anything? For Anadenanthera colubrina it uses baking soda or another alkalinizing agent in order to make it effective while snorting, you don't think baking soda would possibly do something for just d-amp making it stronger?