Type of mescaline?

[hierarchy]

bob has a question bc he is uneducated on the whole mescaline/peyote area. bob took this mescaline with his buds that looked like cocaine. bob had two tiny tiny zip lock bags with this cocaine looking substance and they put each one in a shot glass of water and downed them individually. a wonderful 8 hour trip bob had.

down to the real question: does mesc come in different forms? what's the difference between extracted etc.?


bob thanks you

[GDxCAT]

Doesnt sound like mescaline to me. Probably some RC.

[42itis]

Yes, there are different forms, mescaline sulfate used to be the easiest one way back when. It is possible you had real mescaline, but the trip is usually longer than LSD and has more of an "organic" and relaxed feel. The onset has a nervous shaky kind of feel with some nausea. What country are you in?

[hierarchy]

country: US


i felt some nausea intially but it went away.

[Hyperreal]

Mescaline comes in different salts and analogs, but the effects are always the same. The hydrochloride salt requires a somewhat lower dose than the sulphate salt. The various analogs vary a lot in dose, but the analogs would be extremely rare, and I doubt there's anyone out there synthesizing them. There is no difference between extracted and synthesized mescaline.


Mescaline: The Chemistry and Pharmacology of its Analogs by Alexander T. Shulgin
PIHKAL # 96

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Very informative and useful post.

[42itis]

Good post Hyperreal!

[sloppo]

I beg to differ about there being no difference between extracted and synthesized mescaline. I would wager that most people who extract alkaloids from mescaline containing cactus do a crude alkaloid extraction, pulling most of the alkaloids from the plant. There are a lot of alkaloids present in these cactus, certainly not just mescaline, but mescaline is the most abundant.


Unless the person performing the extraction goes further to isolate pure mescaline (through chromatgraphy perhaps, I'm not really sure what would be the best way), then the extracted "mescaline" is actualy a crude alkaloid extract. These other alkaloids do add flavor to the expierience. This is clearly true with peyote, as most anyone who has expierience in these matters will tell you peyote is quite different from pure mescaline. Also the expierience from San pedro cactus is markedly different than pure mescaline. The other alkaloids may not be active by themselves, but they somehow interact in vivo and cause a different feel to the trip.


I think Shulgin has investigated some of these other alkaloids, but I am just talking from SWIM's actual expierience.





Sloppo

[sloppo]

Now to address the original question of this thread, if one indeed extracts and purifies down to pure mescaline salt, there would be no difference in effect between that and the synthetic mescaline salt. There would be other differences, appearance, melting point (due to water of crystalization), etc.Though A mescaline molecule is a mescaline molecule, whether it was made in a plant or in a lab. But the point is that if someone were to go to the trouble to actually isolate pure mescaline from the mixed alkaloid extract, then he may as well just synthesize pure mescaline and not have to deal with the cactus snot alltogether.


Also different salts of mescaline may have different properties. Mescaline sulfate is probably the most common because of its easeof crystalization from water. The onset of mescaline sulfate is probably longer than mescaline hcl becuase the sulfate salt is converted to the hcl salt in the stomach, and if one starts with the hcl salt than thisconversion is skipped. This is just speculation. Also the active dose is different for different salts due to thedifference in molecular weight.





Sloppo

[hierarchy]

thanks for your guys' concern.


kinda over my head(no worries), i feel like i need to get out the chemistry set or something.


thank ya much.


bye