Oral use - First time 15x Kratom Standardised Extract, no effect. What went wrong?

[Synesthesiac]

Swim ordered some 15x Kratom Standardised Extract the other day. Came in a dark brown powder, and swim put 1 gram in a cup of tea to try to get effects. Nothing. Then swim tried smoking 0.5 in a joint, which was kinda hard as it doesn't burn too well, so he decided to just put a gram in a small bit of water and down it in one gulp quickly (as recommended by other users here). Nothing. So twenty minutes later swim put another gram in a glass and gulped that down, so about 2.5 in all. Swim did feel something, a very slight body numbness for an hour or so, but that was it. It certainly wasn't anything like the euphoria and opiate type effects people who use it often usually describe. Swim got it from what is considered a good source by most, one of the most popular about online.

So where did swim go wrong? Too little? Not the right method of ingestion? Is 15x extract not very good? Is it better to use the pure form but in higher quantities instead? Swim still has about 3.5g left, but would like some recommendations on how he could maximize the effects, as the last attempt seemed really weak.

[Alfa]

For a long time 15X kratom extract was absolutely worthless, but recently there have been people who are satisfied with kratom 15x extract.

[AceOvArts]

for SWIM, 1g of 15x would do nothing, probably about 2g would be nearer a starting dose or 1/4 - 1/2 tsp if one couldnt weigh it. If nothing was felt after 30 mins it would be useful to redose 1/4 tsp, be careful though as Kratom can be nauseating it high doses. Kratom is notoriously tricky to find ones personal sweet spot.

[Synesthesiac]

swim just went for it and did 2g with water, then about twenty minutes later another 1g, and when that buzz had nicely kicked in finished off the 0.5g ten minutes later. This time swim did definately get a buzz, but not really what was expected, body felt good and relaxed/numb, mind felt mildly active and sociable, though not really euphoric or opiate like as others have stated. It was quite pleasant though, swim felt kinda energetic and skateboarded down to the local shop to get some fags with a smile on his face. And swim likes the fact its quite long lasting, he was still feeling the effects a good three hours later. But swim still thought it was quite mild overall. However swim can see that a more intense feeling like this would be very pleasurable, and is eager to give it a go.

Would people recommend any good strains? swims probably gonna go for higher amounts but with pure kratum, not the x15, as someone recommended. Or he might go to the other extreme and go for a x40 extract, but swims heard some people say not to use kratum extract at all, so is still waiting for advise on this really. Didn't feel any nausea at all from 3.5g of the x15, which is a good sign.

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thanks for the information about your Kratom experience. -=AOA=-

[an_apple_a_day]

Originally Posted by Synesthesiac

swim just went for it and did 2g with water, then about twenty minutes later another 1g, and when that buzz had nicely kicked in finished off the 0.5g ten minutes later. This time swim did definately get a buzz, but not really what was expected, body felt good and relaxed/numb, mind felt mildly active and sociable, though not really euphoric or opiate like as others have stated. It was quite pleasant though, swim felt kinda energetic and skateboarded down to the local shop to get some fags with a smile on his face. And swim likes the fact its quite long lasting, he was still feeling the effects a good three hours later. But swim still thought it was quite mild overall. However swim can see that a more intense feeling like this would be very pleasurable, and is eager to give it a go.

Would people recommend any good strains? swims probably gonna go for higher amounts but with pure kratum, not the x15, as someone recommended. Or he might go to the other extreme and go for a x40 extract, but swims heard some people say not to use kratum extract at all, so is still waiting for advise on this really. Didn't feel any nausea at all from 3.5g of the x15, which is a good sign.

You should get a "Premium Thai Kratom Powder" rather than an extract. Extracts are great for salvia etc, but with Kratom your better off with just regular leaf (or powdered leaf). The thai powder is excellent value and you get more for your money.

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useful advice, directs the OP to a better preparation

[fiveleggedrat]

I agree, too low of a dose. 2grams barely did anything for Swim even when he was opiate naive. And yes, Swim got his from a honest source, and it was quality.

[Synesthesiac]

Originally Posted by fiveleggedrat

I agree, too low of a dose. 2grams barely did anything for Swim even when he was opiate naive. And yes, Swim got his from a honest source, and it was quality.

Was it x15 extract? how much did swiy have to in addition to the 2g to feel noticeable good effects?

[AceOvArts]

Synesthesiac, trying different strains may produce a slightly more euphoric effect but believe SWIM when he says SWIY wont get "intensity" with Kratom, there is a definate sweet spot to achieve and SWIY may not have found it yet but be warned there is a very fine line between pleasure and nausea with Kratom Tell SWIY to tread carefully and always keep some ground ginger caps to hand if SWIY starts to feel nauseus (1.5g should help)

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Ahh nice one never knew about the ginger.

[hugandthewhip]

A friend of mine did 4 grams of 15x. It was his first time and it did nothing. Is this common?

[Alfa]

Yes, it is. Most 15X is bunk. It's really 15:1 extract, which says nothing about the strength. Plain leafs or other extracts are better.

[arizona79]

My ferrets have found that kratom can just vary so much from batch to batch and strain to strain. They never had much luck when they ordered 15x, especially from one place in particular. Pinx&Jinx almost gave up after a few tries from this one place (different stuff, too), but found somewhere else to order from, but got powdered instead of extract. They found the powdered to be a lot better than the extract they'd had before from someone else. Their new supplier later sent them his own extract, and my ferrets liked it a lot.

They recommend someone else just go for the regular powdered stuff. There's more of a bargain there, and a better buzz. And if someone doesn't have good luck with one place, try somewhere different. The place Pinx & Jinx tried was actually a well-known place. They took a shot at somewhere else that wasn't nearly as talked about (and was WAAAYYY cheaper), and have been extremely happy since.

[Drats]

SWIM seen a lot of bad experiences with Kraom extracts and wonders what´s going on.
SWIm bought Kratom from several Vendors (mostly extracts) and it was no matter if it was cheap or expensive. The most vendors just sold crap, but someday he detected one which never let him down and decided to try all products they have to offer.
SWIM allways needs high dosages of Kratom to get desired effects, so plant material/leaves are not an option for him. He also tried all kinds of leaves bali, thai, premium, etc.
So the "wet" resine, which comes in black junks are good in his opinion, also alkaloid extracts, as well as the 15x extract.
The dosages he used are:
15x extract: 5-6 grams first, later an additional 5-6 grams for strong effects(compared to all the leaves that is ok, he also needed 80 g of leaves)
"wet" resine: 15-20 grams in one mug, later an optional mug with 5-10g for strong effects
Alkaloide extract: 2-3 grams, later again 3 grams (SWIM is pretty sure it´s not pure alkaloids if you check the dosage)

The dosages from SWIM are strong, he regular throws up twice each Kratom experience. But the effects of Kratom are so strong that this doesn´t feel bad for him, it feels like going to the toilet if you feel pressure in your bleb and urinate. So not the regular sickness, SWIM just feels a pressure in the stomache and gets rid of it.

But these are extremly high dosages, so the effects are also very strong and is NOT recommended as starting dosages. It´s just a comparison and wondering why most people avoid 15x.