Oral use - Smoking male leaves a good idea?

[Xeon]

SWIM knows of a guy with a loads of dead male plants and has heard these will likely have smaller but significant amounts of THC in the leaves. Can these be dried, cured and smoked or are they only good for making hash oil?

[gplant]

smoking = headache in my opinion.

however jorge cervantes, well known for his literature in cannabis says to save everything, even male leaves. swim has never done so but apparantley it can be worthwhile in some way.

I wouldn't but some people do.

but as for smoking, all it would do is taste nasty adn give you a headache.

there is not much trichome (resin head) growth on males.

[fiveleggedrat]

Well, it's not a BAD idea at all. Not like the males will make you sick or die.

If one does not get effects smoking males, they should use them to cook with, as they will still have potency that way. Oral pot is a good idea for male accidental plants.

[Herbal Healer 019]

SWIM has smoked male leaves b4 and has gotten high off of gram sized joints.

[unema]

Please don't do this. Don't have time to explain, just do not smoke males.

Best use is to make hash, I suggest Double Bubble Hash, I believe its the purest and cleanest kind of hash. Look it up.

I knew a SWIY with excess trim and male plants from years and years of growing and SWIY made over 8 ounces of hash...needless to say, SWIY was very "happy" for some time as well as receiving a large financial boost, basically all profit

peace
-unema

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[MrG]

Originally Posted by unema

Please don't do this. Don't have time to explain, just do not smoke males.

"And you are? . . . ."

That's pretty much how that conversation would end were you to walk up to a group of people who are having a discussion like this and make the above statement.

Unless you have a known and proven track record in this particular field, one cannot expect to simply declare "I don't have time to explain but you have to do as I say".

Please, if there is a really sound reason to support your argument, it must be given.

BTW "Double Bubble Hash"? Why don't you try looking it up.

[unema]

Originally Posted by MrG

"And you are? . . . ."

That's pretty much how that conversation would end were you to walk up to a group of people who are having a discussion like this and make the above statement.

Unless you have a known and proven track record in this particular field, one cannot expect to simply declare "I don't have time to explain but you have to do as I say".

Please, if there is a really sound reason to support your argument, it must be given.

BTW "Double Bubble Hash"? Why don't you try looking it up.

Wooooooow...Who claimed to be expert on the subject? Who I ask? :P Forgive me for being so brash but I was in a hurry and am busy at the moment(work...) but anyways, would you suggest smoking males? Like I said I cannot give the specific reasons cause I don't have them right now, but being particularly well surrounded by people highly educated on the subject of marijuana...I tend to listen to such "gurus" on the subject since I am no expert and would never claim so... If you would like to wait a bit, I can make a few calls and search for the several articles and papers I have on the subject though. I don't see the point of criticizing my suggestion as so however

As for the double bubble hash...would you rather smoke something with all kinds of nice "extras" in it...if you are questioning its legitimacy I urge you to check xxxx - great resource site for my lovely, golden MMJ state

I would prefer something suggested by someone that does this kind of thing for a living, ya know, proven track record and whatnot. Now it may not be THE purest form, but I know for fact its a hell of a lot better than a lot of the shiat out there.

If you were offended by anything I had posted I am sorry, I was just answering his question to the best of my knowledge which didnt seem too harmful...and I am pretty sure its not good to smoke male plants...

well gotta go, duty calls

edithhhhh nvm lol

peace
-unema

[MrG]

Originally Posted by unema

Wooooooow...Who claimed to be expert on the subject? Who I ask?

Nobody claimed to be an expert, hence the problem with people making bold statements that they don't support with evidence.

Originally Posted by unema

but anyways, would you suggest smoking males?

I didn't express an opinion on it because I am not an expert. I would, however, be interested in hearing supporting arguments for or against in order that we all might discover an answer to the question

Originally Posted by unema

If you would like to wait a bit, I can make a few calls and search for the several articles and papers I have on the subject though.

I would gladly wait, even for longer than a bit for, as mentioned previously, I am keen to hear evidence that may lead to an answer

Originally Posted by unema

I don't see the point of criticizing my suggestion as so however

But if we don't question unsubstantiated claims that makes us, well, ignorant, easily led, gullible fools.

Originally Posted by unema

As for the Double Bubble Hash . . . .if you are questioning its legitimacy

I didn't doubt bubble hash, I questioned the term "double bubble hash", something that doesn't return any search hits.

Originally Posted by unema

I was just answering his question to the best of my knowledge which didnt seem too harmful...

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Apparently.

Originally Posted by unema

I am pretty sure its not good to smoke male plants...

You know what, you may be right. But that doesn't change the fact that what you actually did was to post your opinion and demand it be accepted as fact.


Please don't be offended, I honestly have no wish to upset people but, seriously, the way we communicate throughout our lives is responsible for a great deal of happiness, or misery. Repeating the old habits of accepting everything we are told because we are too lazy to check the facts is just depressing. We are on the internet, use it, fight back against institutionalised ignorance.

Question everything.

[Herbal Healer 019]

smoking the male part plant parts is not any more harmfull to your lungs, or any other part of your body for that matter, than smoking the female parts just alot less thc

[Shampoo]

Originally Posted by unema

being particularly well surrounded by people highly educated on the subject of marijuana...I tend to listen to such "gurus" on the subject since I am no expert and would never claim so... If you would like to wait a bit, I can make a few calls and search for the several articles and papers I have on the subject though.

Please do so. Drugs-forum is a resource for information, not just opinions.

While your opinion is valued, until it is supported with evidence it cannot be claimed as fact, and should be questioned and disputed. Threads like this are not simply repositories for opinions, they are made to be discussion that flesh out the facts through presentation of ideas, evidence and resources, until a concensus is (hopefully) reached.

Several studies have shown that the difference in resin production between males and females is not significant (by goodness of fit a.k.a Chi Square), though it is more concentrated in the female flowers as opposed to spread evenly throughout much of the plant in the male, thus being easier to harvest. If you have some evidence that contradicts this, please present it. I would be particularly interested in hearing an argument for why male cannabis plants would be more harmful to smoke than female plants.

And by the way, judging by your links swiy and swim are surrounded by alot of the same "gurus", and to be fair, they are not always correct (not even morpheus)

As for the double bubble hash...would you rather smoke something with all kinds of nice "extras" in it...if you are questioning its legitimacy I urge you to check weedtracker.com - great resource site for my lovely, golden MMJ state

First of all, weedtracker is not a public resource so please do not suggest that users seek it out. It is a resource reserved for medicinal marijuana patients, as is indicated by the waiver you sign on the way into the site while registering, but judging by your ability to ignore the rules of drugs-forum, Im sure you overlooked that. As for double-bubble hash, please explain what you mean by this. A quick search does in fact yield no results, other than links to strain which is apparently called double bubble. If you are simply refering to bubble hash then yes, this is a very pure form of cannabinoid extract with a low proportion of harmful contaminants.

...and I am pretty sure its not good to smoke male plants..

And yet you still fail to provide evidence for this claim, other than the notion that someone intelligent told you. Truly intelligent people are able to support their claims with evidence and sources.

[psyche]

When SWIM started smoking weed, he didn't manage to flower the plants outdoors, as it was his first grow. So he smoked only leaves for a year, and during that time he has experienced the most ultimate, psychedelic, mind-immersing highs he has ever had. He was a lot younger and a novice then ofcourse, but SWIM would still suggest smoking leaves. If not for getting blazed, it still has definitely a noticeable relaxing effect.

[Herbal Healer 019]

Agreed, there is a significant amount of THC and other cannabinoids in the leaves although in far less quantities than can be found in the flowers of the female plant

[unema]

I AM NOT CLAIMING FACT FFS. I AM SUGGESTING WHAT HAS BEEN SUGGESTED TO ME. I MAY HAVE TYPED IT WRONG CAUSING YOU TO MISUNDERSTAND MY INTENTIONS. I HAVE NO INTEREST EXPLAINING MYSELF TO FORUM SNOBS, THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THIS HAS HAPPENED TO ME.

I am honestly probably one of the nicest people you would meet irl but people just can't help and RULE the cyber world it seems. It amazes me how much you can read into my posts and you have me all figured out...stunning really.

Ill just stick to the H forums, much more peaceful over there Sorry for ever trying to help out and forgive me for trying to ad a little substance to a FORUM! Also apologize about linking a site with ads, I sincerely am sorry for that. I didn't realise that in the rules even though it is my responsibility, again, I am sorry.

peace
-unema

Do not be so absorbed in the performance of your life that you fail to realise there is no audience.

ahahahahahaHAHAHAHAH, go outside dude...

unema added 13 Minutes and 56 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by MrG

Nobody claimed to be an expert, hence the problem with people making bold statements that they don't support with evidence.


I didn't express an opinion on it because I am not an expert. I would, however, be interested in hearing supporting arguments for or against in order that we all might discover an answer to the question


I would gladly wait, even for longer than a bit for, as mentioned previously, I am keen to hear evidence that may lead to an answer


But if we don't question unsubstantiated claims that makes us, well, ignorant, easily led, gullible fools.

I didn't doubt bubble hash, I questioned the term "double bubble hash", something that doesn't return any search hits.


The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Apparently.


You know what, you may be right. But that doesn't change the fact that what you actually did was to post your opinion and demand it be accepted as fact.


Please don't be offended, I honestly have no wish to upset people but, seriously, the way we communicate throughout our lives is responsible for a great deal of happiness, or misery. Repeating the old habits of accepting everything we are told because we are too lazy to check the facts is just depressing. We are on the internet, use it, fight back against institutionalised ignorance.

Question everything.

What the hell is wrong with you...I demanded nothing, you are just understanding me wrong, to hell with it I have nothing to explain to you, go ahead tear apart my post and analyze my personal flaws, life, and ignorance and blah blah blah you superior human being you. double bubble hash is bouble hash gone through the proces twice btw, you could have asked me nicely rather than be a sarcastic asshole about it. How in the hell can you ask me not to be offended when all you're are doing is trying to upset me...its pretty obvious you desire confrontation, here it is and here it goes, by

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[Shampoo]

Originally Posted by unema

double bubble hash is bouble hash gone through the proces twice btw, you could have asked me nicely rather than be a sarcastic asshole about it.

Very interesting. Care to elaborate on this process or perhaps start a thread on it?

I was under the impression that bubble bags were essentially a fine mesh with a specific width for holes in micrometers. So, I dont see what putting the same material through it twice would do, as the same particles should remain the same size and thus be filtered through the same fine mesh.

If I am incorrect about this, please do correct me. I was also under the impression that bubble hash is usually rather solid and gooey, which would make processing it through mesh quite difficult. Again, this is just my assumption based on a surface understanding of bubble bags, which I believe work on the premise that resin glands will fit through a fine mesh where other materials such as plant matter will not.

Now, onto the rest of your post:

Originally Posted by unema

I HAVE NO INTEREST EXPLAINING MYSELF TO FORUM SNOBS, THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THIS HAS HAPPENED TO ME.

I am honestly probably one of the nicest people you would meet irl but people just can't help and RULE the cyber world it seems. It amazes me how much you can read into my posts and you have me all figured out...stunning really.

To put it simply: who cares?

If you want everyone to tell you how nice of a guy you are, go to myspace or facebook.

This is forum for the discussion of information related to the topic of drugs, in any capacity. If you cannot handle criticism, then you should not put forth unsubstantiated opinions.

Look around, you will see that everyone gets challenged here. The difference between the users that are appreciated and those that are not is that the former will respond to criticism with support and evidence, as opposed to a scared-animal/emotionally entangled response.

I am very interested in reading or hearing about the "papers" and sources that you have on this subject, and your input would be much appreciated. However, if you plan to be understood, respected and heard, then you must back up your opinions and claims with evidence, or at least some reasoning regarding how you came to such a conclusion, not simply "Please don't do this. Don't have time to explain, just do not smoke males." as you placed in your first post.

Sorry for ever trying to help out and forgive me for trying to ad a little substance to a FORUM! Also apologize about linking a site with ads, I sincerely am sorry for that. I didn't realise that in the rules even though it is my responsibility, again, I am sorry.

Trying to help out and "ad a little substance to a forum" implies what I just talked about. "Substance" is not simple opinions that are followed by "dont have time to explain". Substance is: here is my opinion, here is why I believe this, and (if available) here is the evidence.

As for the later, no worries. We are all here to learn, and that includes learning the rules. Thank you for being understanding, I hope you stick around and contribute some real substantial information, as it sounds like you have some worthwhile resources at your fingertips.

[fazerfaze]

Swim once smoked a clippings joint and got some effects. It was nice, and Swim got a mild buzz, but not really comparable to smoking real bud. But if Swiy are looking for a cheap material to roll gratuitous amounts of joints with, go for it. Otherwise it sounds like Swiy's friend has a large enough amount of leaves to make it worth it to make some bubble hash which is a far better choice in my book.

[Blu_berrytoke]

Swim used to have access to an extremely large ammount of male plants, and smoked them on occassion when bored. They sure gave swim a nice headache. Other than that, swim felt very little thc-like effects. A mild buzz at best.

[PsychoActivist]

SWIM says from experience, the best method is most likely to grind up the whole plants and use them to make hash via isopropyl method. This worked well for him.

[shwinehund]

SWIM once ran a male plant thru a food processor, boiled the mess, filtered and drank it. SWIM was SEVERELY fucked for 2 hours, the quite abruptly sobered up. He could hardly see, and was knocking shit over.

[Sky Walker]

Humm, I'm surprised this thread made 18 posts without someone preforming a simple forum search. Lets see; male - plant - potency, ah ha - http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...+plant+potency -

Originally Posted by Sky Walker

Just thought i'd post this after a little research, before anyone starts questioning weather or not males will get you high. It's not a placebo effect male plants ARE psychoactive, really.

"The relative potency of male and female plants has been debated for a very long time. Until recently, there was widespread belief that male plants were psychotropically inactive. This belief may have resulted from the frequently noted procedure in India and other Eastern countries of removing male plants from the field before pollination occurs.70, 295,451 This practice was apparently intended to increase the potency of the female plant, although it has not yet been scientifically documented that unfertilized female plants will become more potent. Although male plants generally weigh less than female plants, several recent studies found that males and females produced equally potent marijuana, and a new consensus began to develop, holding that the sexes were equally potent. 143,159,174,480 However, the recent study in Ottawa 568 uncovered three distinctive common patterns. In high-CBD strains, at maturity, females almost invariably contained a much greater amount of cannabinoids and although very little THC was present, it always occurred in higher trace amounts in females than in the males. More pertinently, in approximately 2/3 of the 40 or so high-THC strains examined, males and females were indeed equally potent. However, in about 1/3 of these high-THC strains, the males were notably inferior, indicating that hereditary background strongly influences the relative potency of males and females. In addition to this genetic factor, a further consideration, harvest date, appears to be very important in determining the relative potency of male and female plants. Turner recently noted that in Mississippi, in both males and females, THC content rises to a maximum in the early flowering stage, and then tends to decrease. Because males flower relatively early, their THC content reaches a peak sooner, but with further maturation potency will appear relatively greater in the females.122"

Source: http://www.druglibrary.org/SCHAFFER/...dain/ldc2b.htm