Drug info - (Intelligent) Datura Information Needed

[dionysus8522]

SWIM has been exploring Datura Inoxia for a few weeks now. Research has been done, but more is needed for safety purposes. SWIM has orally ingested 200 dried seeds and experienced a very heavy dream-like state which was very enjoyable and somewhat liberating. SWIM is curious if the active alkaloids in Datura Inoxia seeds become less potent when they are dried or if they stay the same as when they are kept fresh. Also, can anyone recommend some recipes for the consumption of the seeds. SWIM is well aware of the dangers surrounding this plant, and would appreciate it if they could recieve actual intellectual answers not just "You're a fucking idiot" responses, they have gotten old. Thanks for your help.

[sunyata]

Swim does not know the answer to your questions, but thinks no one will want to answer these questions because it is so obvious that you will use Datura.
For swims own part he would feel guilty if he gave you a recipe and you ended up poisoned and he thinks many others would feel the same way.

Just out of curiousity, why? Why use this plant, or any other deadly nightshade? I can see where tropanes have a medical value, but not recreational value.

[dionysus8522]

SWIM knows how bad it sounds, and totally understands how stupid they may look. SWIM actually enjoys the delirium and realistic hallucinations (as crazy as it may sound). If no one is able to give any info that is totally alright, SWIM can just experiment and find out for themselves. SWIM believes there is much potential within Datura for many different things and really wants to find them out. The concern is appreciated, but SWIM knows what they are doing.

[Neosapien]

Assuming that SWIM knows the risks involved and is theoretically willing to take them, I'll venture that the only way to approach these plants is to tincture a large amount of plant material (in high proof alcohol so that it will keep) and start with ridiculously small amounts and work up in very small steps keeping aware that the difference between an effective dose and a lethal dose can be miniscule.
200 seeds from one pod could make you sleepy while 200 from another could kill you.
It varies that much and there is no other way to establish a dose.

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[=SKA=]

Originally Posted by dionysus8522

SWIM knows how bad it sounds, and totally understands how stupid they may look. SWIM actually enjoys the delirium and realistic hallucinations (as crazy as it may sound). If no one is able to give any info that is totally alright, SWIM can just experiment and find out for themselves. SWIM believes there is much potential within Datura for many different things and really wants to find them out. The concern is appreciated, but SWIM knows what they are doing.

SWIM has also been fascinated by this plant. Terrified but mystically attracted to it at the same time. SWIM and a friend once decided to try
Datura-Tea from a humble amount of flower. SWIM and said friend boiled about 75% of a fresh flower of a Datura Stramonium plant SWIM at the time was cultivating. This amount was enough to send both SWIM and his friend to be cast into a very sinister, threshhold Datura experience, well below the threshold of Datura's much dreaded Delirious effects. It was defenitely strangely hallucinogenic allthough most of it consisted of perception of strange, undifinable visual movements of "energy" fields, undifinable sense of movement in the peripheral vision and a slight but defenite inebriation that seemed to waver from downing/stupifying to psychic exitation/constant slight fearfull hyperalertness. 2 nights later SWIM met lady Datura in his dream and at first she was attractive, soothing, motherly and then the next second she was diabolical, icecold and about to destroy SWIM.

SWIM has since tried Datura again in very humble amounts(2cm by 2cm square cut piece of flower in his Tea and on other occasions ate 3 to 5 Datura Inoxia seeds) right before sleep to induce extremely vivid, well-memorable and often freakishly sinister/scary/terrifying Dreams that night. SWIM's done this a number of times with great success.

However SWIM would strongly advice SWIY against experimenting with Datura's Delirious effects as SWIM very strongly suspects that, if SWIY continues to experiment with this dangerious plant, somewhere along the process SWIY will quite suddenly cease posting on this Forum, because A) SWIY is dead or B) SWIY is residing in a Psychward.Most likely permanently.

It's okay if SWIY would use Datura seeds very rarely in amounts of 2 to maximally 5 seeds right before sleep in order to induce psychedelically enhanced dreams. This can facilitate lucid dreaming and improve dream recall also. However the delirious path is a generally not so recommended one. Even many Shamans of South america say about Datura that allthough some Shamans find them helpfull allies, that the use of this plant is ill advised, because shamans under it's influence cannot keep their ties with the earth. I think I'm with these shamans on this one, rather than with the ones that do see Datura as a wieldable tool.

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[elpatto]

SWIM can shoot some advice your way.

If you are going to experiment, make sure u have atleast the next day or two off work.

Use it away from anyone you realy care about or anyone that might not be so informed of the possible effects, a place like a holiday house in a relitively unpopulated area, or something where you wont run into your parents/freinds/others.

Remove next to everything from the room, pictures on the wall, sculptures, anything worth anything. SWIM was thrown into very destructive phases.

Wear light clothing. Even a moderate dose should leave one in their boxer shorts at some stage of the trip. I think it has been proven that datura basically curbs one's ablility to sweat.

Make sure that either the people around fully understand the consequences that could come of your actions, if SWIyou have a sitter make sure that they have something to keep themselves occupied mayby some pot or something. Sometimes datura "Trips" can last for days.

Whatever SWIyou do, do not underestimate the effects of the said substance, a small ammount can kill. A dose that is small can have no effect yet a dose only a little bit bigger can be way too much.

Try not to die.

Take it easy anyway

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[dionysus8522]

SWIM greatly appreciates the feedback, it was a relief to gain some helpful insight into this somewhat "taboo" question. SWIM has been studying and experimenting with lucid dreaming and is very excited to start using the seeds before bed. Also, SWIM was very happy to receive the alcohol suggestion. Again, thank you for the concern as well as very helpful feedback. SWIM will most definitely report back in periodically with results from these different methods.
SWIM has experienced the full blown effects of this plant. talking to themselves in the mirror, haolding conversation with people who are not there, speaking with dead relatives, wrapping themselves up in a toilet paper skirt because they flushed their underwear down the toilet, packing their girlfriends belongings into their shoes, as well as believing there to be a praying mantis in SWIM's bedroom light. SWIM believes there is most definitely hidden potential within Datura and is very anxious to (hopefully) unlock it.

[=SKA=]

SWIM's currently growing an impressive Datura Inoxia. This Datura is Toloache/Toloatzin, the Datura the Aztecs have used and reveared. It's now stopped it's monstrous, excessive growth and is now gradually slowing down to a survival/dormant mode as Autumn is progressing gradually into winter. It's still releasing massive amounts of seeds out of it's thornapple-seedpods of which it still has about 5.
SWIM has a very handy BioChemist student friend who sampled about a tablespoon of his Datura Inoxia seeds to make an extract and find out exactly what and how much alkaloids they contain. SWIM will report back results when they're available.

[top]SKA

added 1256 Minutes and 12 Seconds later...

I have found the Oneirogenic effects to be Datura's hidden potential. I read 2 reports on Erowid about 2 folks who used Datura as an Oneirogen and that's how I got the idea to try it myself.

Here are the 2 experience reports in question:
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=49308
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=8657

Lately I've cut cown ALOT on Hash smoking.(I'm a flying Dutchman yoho) it really helps enhance dreaming and recall now that I generally smoke 2 days or less a week.
I've never been a drinker of alcohol so that helps dreaming too: Alcohol kills dreaming sleep. So if you're going to do Dream experiments with Datura make sure the conditions are not dream-surpressing to begin wit, so:
No or as little as possible smoking of hash/cannabis, no alcohol and preferably no downers in general.

Sometime later someone in Dreamviews, a Lucid Dream Forum I'm on for about 3 years, posted this Topic about Datura and Lucid Dreaming:
http://dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=53074

It's Ironic how people there are frantically in search for Dream enhancers in vitamins, foods, drinks...and then someone finds the craziest, hallucinogenic deliriant plant-drug, in the proper humble dosage, to be JUST perfect for Dream Enhancement and yet no one seems to be interrested. It's like the Holy Grail of Lucid Dreamer's Delight is right in front of them, but they dismiss it since they were taught: "drugs are bad hmmmkay?"


PS: I don't believe any "SWIMing" is even nececairy here. Datura is legal in every country in the world I believe. It's use/abuse is so rare, because of it's effect being generally considered "not-so-recreative" by most people. It's been on the American and Brittish news a couple of times, but nevertheless is the plant more commonly seen as a garden- and ornamental- plant, rather than the notorious drug it is.