Health - Blacking out after coke use

[Synesthesiac]

Hi peeps. swim had an incidence a year or so ago that totally put him off coke, and he hasn't done it sinse. He had done about 0.8g over a period of 24 hours, as it was hard to sleep on it, so him and his mates just stayed up and finished the rest late into the night.

Anyways, when swim went to bed, after and hour or so of not being able to sleep swim got suddenly very light headed. Which was weird as he was already laying down, usually swim gets light headed when standing up and has to sit down for a minute to get the blood back to his head, but this was fully laying down in bed. It lasted a minute or so and swim just felt confusion and bit dizzy, then he returned to normal. Then about 20 minutes later it started happening again and swim was very conscious of his heart beat, for a second he couldn't feel it beating at all, which scared the crap out of him, and he started panicking thinking he was having a heart attack, but soon after this it started beating very heavily, about 38 beats in 20 seconds (~115 bpm), which was probably due to him scaring himself. It returned back to normal after this. Then finally it came on again about 20 minutes later, but this time it was much more intense. swims heart beat felt very weak, and he completely blacked out, everything went dark, the sound from the radio vanished, it felt like he was falling back into his bed, it was a complete loss of consciousness. swim came round (hell knows how long later, could have been 2 seconds, could have been an hour) covered in sweat, absolutely dripping. And he kept getting these occasional faint feelings all the way through the night, but never quite blacking out like the last one.

So, is this at all normal? Anyone had symptoms like this after using coke?

What do you think is up with swims cardiovascular system? (or any other system for that matter) he was a heavy weed smoker (used shotties daily for eight years, and they are NOT healthy on your lungs due to the bacci needed, but they get you so much more stoned), so I dont expect the circulation in swims lungs is all that good.

swim was going to see his GP (doctor) to try to get some tests done to see what it could be, but he's never sure about what you can say to doctors about drug use, whether you'll get put on some list or reported or something. swims not gonna be doing coke again, thats for sure.

EDIT: swims asking now as he's going to be trying some hawaiian baby woodrose, which is known as being vasoconstrictive, ie, constricts your blood vessels, so was wondering if it would be relatively safe to drop a couple of these. He's only planning on doing three or so seeds, as its his first time. People have been known to do far more, more than 10-15 or so. Is this advisable?

[100mg Methylphenidate]

Probably was a series of panic attacks and swiy was probably overreacting. Happens to swim every time after a binge on stimulants. Smoke some cigarettes or pop some benzos

[Synesthesiac]

Originally Posted by 100mg Methylphenidate

Probably was a series of panic attacks and swiy was probably overreacting. Happens to swim every time after a binge on stimulants. Smoke some cigarettes or pop some benzos

Thats what I thought, I think that some of it may have been panic related. But I definately have not heard of a panic attack induced complete blackout. That was a horrible experience, when swim came round he was covered in sweat, so something more than anxiety definately happened there.

And I should say that the coke wasn't very nice, it kinda stung, but not too bad. My friend said it was probably high in base.

[mightymoresident]

If the Coke "stung" it was cut with shit. Never heard of anyone
going through what you did on pure. But anything is possible. And not everyone is the same.

Pure Coke has no sting and no smell.

[100mg Methylphenidate]

Originally Posted by Synesthesiac

Thats what I thought, I think that some of it may have been panic related. But I definately have not heard of a panic attack induced complete blackout. That was a horrible experience, when swim came round he was covered in sweat, so something more than anxiety definately happened there.

And I should say that the coke wasn't very nice, it kinda stung, but not too bad. My friend said it was probably high in base.

Staying up all night might have worn swiy out. Coke doesn't last long, so maybe once it wore off swiy realized how tired he was and passed out. Then swiy was probably sweaty when he woke up because coke is a vasoconstrictor and is very pyrogenic, meaning, swiy's body was hotter than normal in the first place. Panic attacks CAN make one sweaty too.

[aerozeppelin123]

Originally Posted by Synesthesiac

swim was going to see his GP (doctor) to try to get some tests done to see what it could be, but he's never sure about what you can say to doctors about drug use, whether you'll get put on some list or reported or something.

Don't worry about that, doctors do not report drug use, they are there to help you not enforce the law.

[Synesthesiac]

ok, so swim did some HBRW, a mild dose only about 5, and a similar thing happened later in the day, though not as bad as the above experience. sudden feeling of faintness (swim had to lie down for a min) accompanied by tingling in his arm and loads of sweat. swims gonna get a checkup. he had an ecg before but everything was normal. He's defo staying away from vasoconstricting substances.

[100mg Methylphenidate]

I don't think blackouts occur 'before' strokes. I think it's more so during. There is such thing as a transient ischemic attack, which is like a mini stroke. It means the blood flow to the brain may have been obstructed for less than 24 hours with no damage resulting. Which could be due to a blood clot induced partially by vasoconstriction. Or there could have been a dramatic fall in blood pressure when the coke wore off, which would cause the heart rate to raise to try to maintain blood pressure, and enough of a drop in blood pressure would cause one to feel light headed and pass out. But there is no way to tell for sure. A stroke is an extremely serious thing with a very bad outlook in the future, so swiy should be examined by a doctor to see if there is any arterial damage. They also might put swiy on aspirin if the risk of blood clotting seems high. But it could have been a lot of things, even a seizure. Although, I wouldn't count on that being that it was after coke use. Make swiy go to the doctor. It'll be worth it to play it safe and find out what's wrong if anything.

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[Synesthesiac]

Originally Posted by 100mg Methylphenidate

I don't think blackouts occur 'before' strokes. I think it's more so during. There is such thing as a transient ischemic attack, which is like a mini stroke. It means the blood flow to the brain may have been obstructed for less than 24 hours with no damage resulting. Which could be due to a blood clot induced partially by vasoconstriction. Or there could have been a dramatic fall in blood pressure when the coke wore off, which would cause the heart rate to raise to try to maintain blood pressure, and enough of a drop in blood pressure would cause one to feel light headed and pass out. But there is no way to tell for sure. A stroke is an extremely serious thing with a very bad outlook in the future, so swiy should be examined by a doctor to see if there is any arterial damage. They also might put swiy on aspirin if the risk of blood clotting seems high. But it could have been a lot of things, even a seizure. Although, I wouldn't count on that being that it was after coke use. Make swiy go to the doctor. It'll be worth it to play it safe and find out what's wrong if anything.

Thanx for the info. Swim actually took some aspirin on that night as soon as it happened, and it seemed to help with the light headedness. But since they probably dont act that quick this was probably more likely a mild placebo effect...

Yeah swims gonna go and see his doc. He's already been there twice this week tho so he's going to leave it till next week or his GP's gonna think he's just being neurotic.

And another thing to add is that swim did these hawaiin baby woodrose seeds about four days after mdma use, and often for days after using mdma swim gets very lightheaded whenever he stands up. Sometimes he has to sit or lie straight back down afterwards or he'll pass out, which can be a bit embaressing in a public place. swims learnt a convenient crouch position, combined with a fake shoelace tie does the trick Some of swims freinds get this too, but not as often or as badly. I wonder if it was this combined with the vasoconstriction of the hbrw that lead to the above event? It was no where as intense as the one on coke (well, supposed coke), but still pretty damn nasty and scary at the time. And swim has a notoriously high metabolism, he eats every hour of the day, usually utter crap student food fatty garbage, twice the amount of anyone he knows, yet he's always a thin as a stick no matter how much he eats. Dunno if thats at all relevant to anything cardiovascular tho.

I presume that the lightheadedness after mdma use is also related to blood pressure? or is it more complex than that?

[100mg Methylphenidate]

Well, if swiy is really thin and doesn't have high blood pressure that lowers the chance for that being a stroke unless he was REALLY coked out.

What you're describing is orthopedic hypotension. It menas that when standing up, the top number in the blood pressure drops greater than 20 points, idk about the bottom number. It's nothing serious. Like I said, the drop in blood pressure could have caused you to pass out with coke. Swim gets that if he hasn't had his nicotine and caffeine fixes, or if his tolerance to marijuana is low and he smokes some. That would also cause one's heart rate to go up because the body doesn't like instant changes in blood pressure. Even when somebody is being hospitalized because they're in high stages of hypertension, they still try to lower blood pressure gradually.