Dose - How big a habbit?

[stephy171072]

SWIM was wondering to compare to herself how big or small anyone you know that may have a heroin habbit is? SWIM injects around 10 bags a day which I belive is meant to be something like 100mg however correct me if im wrong ( sorry I am used to talking in bags talk and don't really understand the measurements ), but as a lot of you will know these "bags" are very often light. So SWIM would be very interesteded if anyone did not mind to share.

and once again a appologize for my terrible spelling.

[chillinwill]

SWIM back when he was using heroin daily had a slightly over a gram a day habit

[stephy171072]

Originally Posted by chillinwill

SWIM back when he was using heroin daily had a slightly over a gram a day habit

Do you know if SWIM is right by saying 100mg is in a bag or a wrap or whatever people call it and what would a gram be in that?

[chillinwill]

it depends....different areas have different size bags....in SWIM's area, normally 1 bag is 0.1grams which is 100mg so when SWIM was doing H daily, his habit was 10-11 bags a day which is 1-1.1 grams/day

[Junkhead23]

I dont really understand why SWIY would buy bags really. Why dont SWIY buy a Teenth would that not work out cheaper. At SWIMs worst was doing a Teenth a day!

[stephy171072]

Originally Posted by Junkhead23

I dont really understand why SWIY would buy bags really. Why dont SWIY buy a Teenth would that not work out cheaper. At SWIMs worst was doing a Teenth a day!

Because SWIM and a large number of other people do not have a large amopunt of money to go and scare with they may have had to spend some time getting that one £10 note then have a fix and go off and start all again...

stephy171072 added 1 Minutes and 52 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by chillinwill

it depends....different areas have different size bags....in SWIM's area, normally 1 bag is 0.1grams which is 100mg so when SWIM was doing H daily, his habit was 10-11 bags a day which is 1-1.1 grams/day

And thanks for clearing that up that was really heelpful actually. Now I can understand what people are typing on here better. Cheers!

[Lisa J]

SWIM tries to get a teenth to last two days when her habits getting out of control, though she does smoke fent with it if chasing as otherwise she can only feel anything by digging it. SWIM enjoys heroin most when she aint used for a while and half a bag gets her nodding, SWIM'S trying to get to that place again and is on her 2nd day clean, thank god for spare methadone

[Junkhead23]

Originally Posted by Lisa J

SWIM tries to get a teenth to last two days when her habits getting out of control, though she does smoke fent with it if chasing as otherwise she can only feel anything by digging it. SWIM enjoys heroin most when she aint used for a while and half a bag gets her nodding, SWIM'S trying to get to that place again and is on her 2nd day clean, thank god for spare methadone

SWIM has now managed to no have anything since Last Wednesday so thats nearly a week!! SWIM feel quite pleased about that!!

[unema]

SWIM used to use about .2-.5 a G. Sometimes if SWIM did not have the cash SWIM could stay fixed off a few snaps a day...SWIM chases the dragon. Now in a different state SWIM can't get diff amounts other than a single bags which are .1-.2 G. SWIM's use fluctuates, last month it was barely a bag a day, more recently it was 2-3 bags and now its 1-2 bags a day. SWIM likes keeping a low habit.

[dyingtomorrow]

SWIM did 40 ($10) bags a day at his worst. After losing everything, about 2-4 bags a day, and dope sick most of the time.

[jon-q]

Originally Posted by dyingtomorrow

SWIM did 40 ($10) bags a day at his worst. After losing everything, about 2-4 bags a day, and dope sick most of the time.

Geeze these must have been pretty poor quality % Heroin,swim has had and still has a pretty big habbit,but 40 hits a day.
Remember also what is actualy needed to keep the chills away as apposed to what swimmers actualy take is two differant things all together??
No disrespect intended swiyDYINGTOMORROW.
Swim....Q

[dyingtomorrow]

Originally Posted by jon-q

Geeze these must have been pretty poor quality % Heroin,swim has had and still has a pretty big habbit,but 40 hits a day.
Remember also what is actualy needed to keep the chills away as apposed to what swimmers actualy take is two differant things all together??
No disrespect intended swiyDYINGTOMORROW.
Swim....Q

Nope. Chicago is the dope capital of the U.S. According to the FBI, and as local addicts know, we get every kind of H from every major supplier country in the world ('cept that crap you all use in England that you need acid for or whatever cuz nobody wants it here ). SWIM was actually underexaggerating about the $400/day habit too, because he also was consistently copping ounces of raw every 2 weeks (always a scary transaction) along with the bags and either just doing the raw straight or putting it on top of his shit. SWIM's habit was this bad twice, once during an October and once during a February, the two months of change where SWIM usually freaks out for unknown reasons.

Honestly, when you have that high of a tolerance it's stupid because it's not even worth it. Instead of the rush and high you get from shooting when you only do like a $40-50 a shot 2-3 times a day, when you're shooting well over $400 worth a dope a day you kinda just get a warm feeling that's "ok" every time you shoot. Especially if you get a high level raw habit - it totally changes and ruins the magical feeling. Or it's more like - the shot satisfies your mental drive to shoot up (which actually still gets worse and worse at that high of a level), and the physical pleasure is kind of muted and non-existent compared to the mental drive.

SWIM really regrets that because he doesn't have a dime now, and with his experience at this point he could have made the money from his 2 crazy binges last well over a year. $30 shots, once in the morning and once at night are the way to go (maybe once during the day too if you have that much money), in SWIMs opinion, and give you the most bang for your buck, the most pleasure when you bang.

P.S. it's difficult to talk about this with the price discussion ban, but I just did some research following your accusation. The average purity in Chicago is 20-30% for a BS bag you buy off some random gang member. Around Chicago in the metro area its 70-80% (prolly meaning the difference between what they sell to homeless junkies versus higher level clientel). I checked for England and it said 20%-50%, but we get many times the weight you do for the same price.

[jon-q]

Originally Posted by dyingtomorrow

Nope. Chicago is the dope capital of the U.S. According to the FBI, and as local addicts know, we get every kind of H from every major supplier country in the world ('cept that crap you all use in England that you need acid for or whatever cuz nobody wants it here ). SWIM was actually underexaggerating about the $400/day habit too, because he also was consistently copping ounces of raw every 2 weeks (always a scary transaction) along with the bags and either just doing the raw straight or putting it on top of his shit. SWIM's habit was this bad twice, once during an October and once during a February, the two months of change where SWIM usually freaks out for unknown reasons.

Honestly, when you have that high of a tolerance it's stupid because it's not even worth it. Instead of the rush and high you get from shooting when you only do like a $40-50 a shot 2-3 times a day, when you're shooting well over $400 worth a dope a day you kinda just get a warm feeling that's "ok" every time you shoot. Especially if you get a high level raw habit - it totally changes and ruins the magical feeling. Or it's more like - the shot satisfies your mental drive to shoot up (which actually still gets worse and worse at that high of a level), and the physical pleasure is kind of muted and non-existent compared to the mental drive.

SWIM really regrets that because he doesn't have a dime now, and with his experience at this point he could have made the money from his 2 crazy binges last well over a year. $30 shots, once in the morning and once at night are the way to go (maybe once during the day too if you have that much money), in SWIMs opinion, and give you the most bang for your buck, the most pleasure when you bang.

P.S. it's difficult to talk about this with the price discussion ban, but I just did some research following your accusation. The average purity in Chicago is 20-30% for a BS bag you buy off some random gang member. Around Chicago in the metro area its 70-80% (prolly meaning the difference between what they sell to homeless junkies versus higher level clientel). I checked for England and it said 20%-50%, but we get many times the weight you do for the same price.

Swim has also done lots of research,Did swiy know that in 1970 the average % purity of H in america was 5%-8%(swim thought bullshit too) but check it out.
Anyway lets get back on track irrespective of purity swim will guess 1 bag/balloon? of decent gear will get the average addict normal (maybe a slight rush) so lets asume swiy needs 2 to stave away the chills?If said dope is half decent it's going to hold swiy for 6hrs?
So do the maths 8 normal hits will get swiy through the day?
Swim is talking feeling normal here not a 24/7 nod.
Swim used to Iv 1.5-2g a day at his wost point of good H,now if money was tight swim could make do with 0.8g if swim had to,that was a long time ago.Swim now smokes H and his habbit has been 14yrs straight-only breaks(5.5 weeks,and 4-5 1 week breaks,maybe the odd 18-24hr wait to score)swim smokes about 1.5g p/day on average and digs 1-6 times p/month.During recent drought this went up to 3.5g a day(shity H.
swim has also had bad crack addiction 3-4yrs and could easily smoke and Iv 2-3g p/day.again if need arose 0.8g would see swim through.
My point is swim dosen't doubt that swiy has spent xxxx on dope,but that was not to feed/maintain ones habbit.
WE MIGHT NOT ALWAYS GET WHAT WE WANT...BUT WE WILL GET WHAT WE NEED.
Glad to see swiys having these discussions,at least swys still got a bit of "fight left in him" lol.Respect swim.....Q

[dyingtomorrow]

Originally Posted by jon-q

Swim has also done lots of research,Did swiy know that in 1970 the average % purity of H in america was 5%-8%(swim thought bullshit too) but check it out.
Anyway lets get back on track irrespective of purity swim will guess 1 bag/balloon? of decent gear will get the average addict normal (maybe a slight rush) so lets asume swiy needs 2 to stave away the chills?If said dope is half decent it's going to hold swiy for 6hrs?
So do the maths 8 normal hits will get swiy through the day?
Swim is talking feeling normal here not a 24/7 nod.
Swim used to Iv 1.5-2g a day at his wost point of good H,now if money was tight swim could make do with 0.8g if swim had to,that was a long time ago.Swim now smokes H and his habbit has been 14yrs straight-only breaks(5.5 weeks,and 4-5 1 week breaks,maybe the odd 18-24hr wait to score)swim smokes about 1.5g p/day on average and digs 1-6 times p/month.During recent drought this went up to 3.5g a day(shity H.
swim has also had bad crack addiction 3-4yrs and could easily smoke and Iv 2-3g p/day.again if need arose 0.8g would see swim through.
My point is swim dosen't doubt that swiy has spent xxxx on dope,but that was not to feed/maintain ones habbit.
WE MIGHT NOT ALWAYS GET WHAT WE WANT...BUT WE WILL GET WHAT WE NEED.
Glad to see swiys having these discussions,at least swys still got a bit of "fight left in him" lol.Respect swim.....Q

Aahh, I see what you're saying now.

Well, like I said, at least for SWIM and the other person who was able to hang with SWIM when he was doing dope at that level, the habit goes from physical to mental. SWIM didn't have any physical withdrawals because he was shooting dope constantly, but SWIM also wasn't feeling physically good. The high was totally different and dull, there's no rush, no euphoria, and no physical pleasure, aside from a little warmth. On the other hand, SWIM's mental obsession over it skyrocketed, meaning SWIM would get horrible cravings if he didn't shoot up every hour or two. The fulfillment was 100% in SWIM's head, not in his body anymore. I seriously doubt there wasn't a physical habit behind that as well, as you seem to be saying, even though SWIM had enough money never to have to be sick at the time. If anything the hell which followed trying to drop back down to only like $100 a day was proof of that.

SWIM is curious about a couple things:
1) How SWIY could go from IVing back to smoking? Doesn't it feel like a waste, or were SWIY able to totally get over the needle fixation?
2) How did SWIY get addicted to crack? SWIM used to smoke crack every once in a while, and sometimes would go on a crack binge, but never felt addiction. Is it like, you have to do it X number of days in a row or something?
3) SWIM has speedballed a couple times, but probably like how it takes a while to really appreciate the needle over smoking/snorting, didn't do it consistently enough for it to become a thing for him. Did SWIY do crack while on H? Seems like if someone had a coke fixation and an H fixation they'd just combine the two.

[sunofnothing]

Bags here are generally 150 - 200mg; at my worst was taking about a gate a day (about 3.5 g, although 3.4g once the delears have ...er.....done whatever they do).

Because SWIM was smoking it he needed more - were he jagging, a teenth would probably have satisfied his cravings.

[Junkhead23]

Originally Posted by sunofnothing

Bags here are generally 150 - 200mg; at my worst was taking about a gate a day (about 3.5 g, although 3.4g once the delears have ...er.....done whatever they do).

Because SWIM was smoking it he needed more - were he jagging, a teenth would probably have satisfied his cravings.

Your last line is what SWIM thought about slamming until he started. SWIM uses more (and more often) now they inject than they did before when snorting. Believe SWIM injecting does not save SWIY money.

[sunofnothing]

Originally Posted by Junkhead23

Your last line is what SWIM thought about slamming until he started. SWIM uses more (and more often) now they inject than they did before when snorting. Believe SWIM injecting does not save SWIY money.

The opposite was certainly the case in SWIM's case; perhaps what you say is true over prolonged usage however. Although SWIM was smoking before he started banging it, perhaps that will make a difference?

[Methadrone]

Swim has never injected and hopes swim never will. but, swim had a habbit of around half of what swiy is describing when swim was smoking it on a regular basis.

Swim thinks swiy has quite a heavy habit if what swiy say's is right and swiy is injecting 10 bagels a day. Swim, even at the lowest point of swims addiction couldn't have got through that much.

[Junkhead23]

Originally Posted by sunofnothing

The opposite was certainly the case in SWIM's case; perhaps what you say is true over prolonged usage however. Although SWIM was smoking before he started banging it, perhaps that will make a difference?

At first it did seem that SWIM was spending less money but over time SWIM was spending just as much if not more than before.

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