Oral use - Putting kratom powder into capsules negatively affects potency?

[sbt8080]

Horselover Fat may just be imagining things, as his brain often plays tricks on him, but he finds that ingesting kratom powder in capsules yields a noticeably lower potency than simply eating the powder plain.

Have any of you heard similar tales from users of kratom powder that you may happen to associate with? I cannot understand why Horselover Fat has this experience, as it would seem that both methods are nearly identical.

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Also, yes, Fat experimented with equivalent doses for both methods of oral administration.

[AceOvArts]

Some rats do report this kind of behaviour. SWIM uses caps but notices very little or no difference.

[OhCasey]

This swimmer notices the same thing, quite a significant difference between capsules and plain tosh and wash.

[slakbox]

swim can't understand how anyone can eat it by itself? he tried mixing it with some juice (didn't mix, just clumped) and drinking that. the taste was unbearable and swim ended up just pouring it down the drain.

[sbt8080]

Originally Posted by slakbox

swim can't understand how anyone can eat it by itself? he tried mixing it with some juice (didn't mix, just clumped) and drinking that. the taste was unbearable and swim ended up just pouring it down the drain.

Fat doesn't understand either. He absolutely can't stand the taste of the stuff. And not just the taste, but the gritty, powdery texture. Insoluble powder floating in liquid is disgusting, Fat tells me.

Fat discovered a way to theoretically make the capsules more potent, although he hasn't tested it with a real dose yet. He opens one end of the capsule, making sure to keep the capsule vertical so no kratom spills out, then he tilts his head back, looking up at the ceiling, and presses the capsule to his tongue so that it is sticks to his tongue while remaining vertical. This prevents any powder from spilling out into the mouth. He then takes a quick swig of his drink of choice (usually grapefruit or cranberry juice) and swallows as fast as possible. This minimizes the amount of kratom powder that actually makes contact with the tongue, and allows him to swallow an already opened capsule, hopefully releasing the powder faster.

He has also performed this method using two capsules at once without issue.

[fiveleggedrat]

Originally Posted by slakbox

swim can't understand how anyone can eat it by itself? he tried mixing it with some juice (didn't mix, just clumped) and drinking that. the taste was unbearable and swim ended up just pouring it down the drain.

Here's my secret to eating nasty stuff:

Rinse your mouth with a strong alcoholic mouthwash, perhaps one like cinnamon. Then, as quickly as you spit the stuff out, Swallow whatever needed. This method is Swiy's standby.

Also, taking 50mg dimenhydrinate (Dramamine) beforehand is a great way to supress the gag reflex

Funkymunky, that is how it should be: effects should be safe regardless of raw material or caps. It can/might take longer to come on. Often though, it does not work that way.

Swim knows he prefers to drink his pharmaceuticals in a liquid solution as opposed to grinding them and putting them into capsules. Even kratom.

[necromonster]

Originally Posted by slakbox

swim can't understand how anyone can eat it by itself? he tried mixing it with some juice (didn't mix, just clumped) and drinking that. the taste was unbearable and swim ended up just pouring it down the drain.

swiy......... should mix powder with COLD liquid. some clumps float, but most will suspend/dissolve. just stir vigorously before each gulp/drink.

[FunkyMunky]

Well someone I don't know tried it yesterday for the fist time and said it was great. And she did a bit more a little while ago in a slightly larger amount, (4 spoonfuls) in an espresso cup with hot enough to brew coffe water. I heard it dissolved better than in yesterdays cold orange juice and seemed to come on a tad quicker.
Now her being a complete noob from what she said, can understand heat activating substances or at least disipating the solution better resulting in a different effect. But ingesting is ingesting right? if the capsules were ingested with the same amount of liquid at the same temp It should technically be the same strength, there may be a slightly longer come on time due to the gel needing to dissolve. Like she told me though she was just stating a noob opinion and will be interested in seeing some more opinions and findings.

[jojobearauburn]

Swim recently tried Kratom Capsules for the first time and was pleasantly surprised by the euphoria effect they produced. It wasn't as intense as a dose of a real opiate, but Swim informed me that it was quite pleasurable.

Swim has read several of the previous posts concerning Kratom, such as the bad taste and brewing a tea from the leaves, but Swim has only tried the Kratom Capsules.

[dlink01]

Originally Posted by jojobearauburn

Swim recently tried Kratom Capsules for the first time and was pleasantly surprised by the euphoria effect they produced. It wasn't as intense as a dose of a real opiate, but Swim informed me that it was quite pleasurable.

Swim has read several of the previous posts concerning Kratom, such as the bad taste and brewing a tea from the leaves, but Swim has only tried the Kratom Capsules.

Good to know. SWIM ordered his first Kratom the other day and got the Bali Capsules

SWIM hopes they give him a nice effect as SWIM's tolerance should be very low

[AceOvArts]

What amazes SWIM is that caps dissolve so quickly, SWIM even had one dissolve in his throat which forced a nasty gag reflex, so SWIM finds it hard to believe capping has negative effects but so many people report it he has to give it credence.

[FunkyMunky]

mabey a mental thing? opposite placebo effect?

[FunkyMunky]

not sure if this is out of line but SWIM is interested in what is a good capsule to get. She knows alot of herbal sups come in caps but it would suck for her to buy random opaque bottles until she discovers one. any suggestions on which one to buy?

[sbt8080]

Originally Posted by FunkyMunky

not sure if this is out of line but SWIM is interested in what is a good capsule to get. She knows alot of herbal sups come in caps but it would suck for her to buy random opaque bottles until she discovers one. any suggestions on which one to buy?

I think the best thing for SWIY to buy would be a capsule-making device called a "Cap-M-Quik" as well as the appropriately sized empty capsules from the Internet.

Altogether it shouldn't cost that much. A size "00" Cap-M-Quick cost me about $25, and I got 2000 size "00" capsules online for about $30.

These capsules and equipment work very well for all of the placebo pills I fill with sugar.

[nera]

Cap-M-Quik is what my friend use for making my herbal supplements.
The trade off for the delay, and irregular dissolving times is the taste. There is no point in suffering or enduring the foul taste for a wee bit stronger experience. The experience is better then the tea, so I hear, so why bother for a few extra notches on the belt.

[humdroid]

IS ther a way to boil the kratom down so the volume is less?

No one in this establishment can do the toss and wash.
Its funny to see them try, the stuff ends up on the walls, not through puking, just regurgitating.

Y used thin rizla bombs, it takes him about half an hour to make these. There are about a dozen in total, and thin rizla is best.
King skinz or two thinnies stuck together.

As for capsules affecting potency, Y can't see how this would be. All Y could see is the effects hitting marginaly slower.

[OhCasey]

What Swim does isnt just a regular toss N wash. First he holds about a mouthful of water then he quickly toss the Kratom from a shot glass into his mouth with the water still there and his head tilted back. In his other hand he chugs more water and swallows quickly. Also he notices that its easier to split his doages and do it 2 times in 1/2 the usual amount then to do it all at once.

[humdroid]

Originally Posted by OhCasey

What Swim does isnt just a regular toss N wash. First he holds about a mouthful of water then he quickly toss the Kratom from a shot glass into his mouth with the water still there and his head tilted back. In his other hand he chugs more water and swallows quickly. Also he notices that its easier to split his doages and do it 2 times in 1/2 the usual amount then to do it all at once.

That's how they do it here, but no one can get away with it.
They think they have injested 10gms but nine of them ends up on the wall/floor, and Y gets the job of washing it off.
Maybe they all need new throats here LOL

[Anonabyss]

I'm sort of surprised people actually have problems with eating powder. I suppose things like eating 50+DXM pills can be nauseating and snorting 2C-'s can be really painful, but is eating some powder really that big of a deal? If it is really bad and it is a lot of powder, what you could do is mix it with some water in a shot glass, then take the shot and chase it with your beverage of choice and that should probably avoid the majority of the bad taste.

As far as capsules affecting potency of drugs, they do cause a slight decrease in the rate of drug absorbsion, and cause you to end up with a lower maximum concentration in your bloodstream but it lasts longer. This is the same reason why eating is slower than snorting which is slower than smoking which is slower than shooting.

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I'm sort of surprised people actually have problems with eating powder. I suppose things like eating 50+DXM pills can be nauseating and snorting 2C-'s can be really painful, but is eating some powder really that big of a deal? If it is really bad and it is a lot of powder, what you could do is mix it with some water in a shot glass, then take the shot and chase it with your beverage of choice and that should probably avoid the majority of the bad taste.

As far as capsules affecting potency of drugs, they do cause a slight decrease in the rate of drug absorbsion, and cause you to end up with a lower maximum concentration in your bloodstream but it lasts longer. This is the same reason why eating is slower than snorting which is slower than smoking which is slower than shooting.

[OhCasey]

Originally Posted by Anonabyss

I'm sort of surprised people actually have problems with eating powder. I suppose things like eating 50+DXM pills can be nauseating and snorting 2C-'s can be really painful, but is eating some powder really that big of a deal? If it is really bad and it is a lot of powder, what you could do is mix it with some water in a shot glass, then take the shot and chase it with your beverage of choice and that should probably avoid the majority of the bad taste.

As far as capsules affecting potency of drugs, they do cause a slight decrease in the rate of drug absorbsion, and cause you to end up with a lower maximum concentration in your bloodstream but it lasts longer. This is the same reason why eating is slower than snorting which is slower than smoking which is slower than shooting.

It all depends on the Kratom you get and like everything some people have issues with while others dont. For me the taste isnt that bad, its not good but it doesnt compare to Valerian root. If you dont think a powder can be that bad then go and try some Valerian. It tastes like someone took a dump in your mouth.

Also I cant see why mixing Kratom in a solution in water would change the absorption any.

[FunkyMunky]

Originally Posted by Anonabyss

I'm sort of surprised people actually have problems with eating powder. I suppose things like eating 50+DXM pills can be nauseating and snorting 2C-'s can be really painful, but is eating some powder really that big of a deal? If it is really bad and it is a lot of powder, what you could do is mix it with some water in a shot glass, then take the shot and chase it with your beverage of choice and that should probably avoid the majority of the bad taste.

As far as capsules affecting potency of drugs, they do cause a slight decrease in the rate of drug absorbsion, and cause you to end up with a lower maximum concentration in your bloodstream but it lasts longer. This is the same reason why eating is slower than snorting which is slower than smoking which is slower than shooting.

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I'm sort of surprised people actually have problems with eating powder. I suppose things like eating 50+DXM pills can be nauseating and snorting 2C-'s can be really painful, but is eating some powder really that big of a deal? If it is really bad and it is a lot of powder, what you could do is mix it with some water in a shot glass, then take the shot and chase it with your beverage of choice and that should probably avoid the majority of the bad taste.

As far as capsules affecting potency of drugs, they do cause a slight decrease in the rate of drug absorbsion, and cause you to end up with a lower maximum concentration in your bloodstream but it lasts longer. This is the same reason why eating is slower than snorting which is slower than smoking which is slower than shooting.

Your subjects must have some good stomachs. some girls I dont know cant get more than a spoonfull down without coughing dust. I hear they cut up fruit roll up sheets and made little capsules with them and they worked great!

[cra$h]

by drinking a solution, it pretty much bypasses the stomach, strait into the intestines where it's absorbed, resulting in a faster, and possibly more intese come up.

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[Anonabyss]

Originally Posted by cra$h

by drinking a solution, it pretty much bypasses the stomach, strait into the intestines where it's absorbed, resulting in a faster, and possibly more intese come up.

No way, what are you talking about? Whenever you swallow any powder it dissolves into the liquids in your stomach no differently than if you swallowed it already dissolved in water.

[dr. swim]

Capsules seem less potent because your stomach doesn't absorb all of the powder right away, since it has to break down the capsules first. So you'll come-up slower, but it'll probably last longer.

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And not only that, in my opinion it's better, because a faster come-up means a harder hangover.

[AceOvArts]

it could also be because when one mixes with liquid the Kratom is spread over a greater surface area thus improving absorbtion, when a capsule breaks down (as has been suggested) the release is slower.
Maybe drinking a large amount of water with capsules could help somewhat.