Dose - How much should SWIM take?

[Phuzed]

Hello guys,

SWIM has recently required a 100 MG Morphine Sulfate Tablet and is unsure of how much to take for his first time.

SWIM has a moderate opiate tolerance (Takes a Vicodin or 2 everyother day or so)

SWIM wants to get a good high but doesn't want to over do it. So, would 250mg (4th of the tablet) be a good starting dose?

Thanks for the help.

Phuzed added 140 Minutes and 6 Seconds later...

Woops, I meant 25 mg, not 250mg

[Dissociation]

Tell SWIM maybe to try 50 mg of the Morphine and to take 2 mg of xanax its a really good time. if SWIM does not feel not to intoxicated tell them to pop the other half.

Reputation Comments on this post:

	Please Do not encourage someone not knowing dosages to mix two different classes of drugs. This is dangerous.
	Never tell anybody with "LITTLE" opiate tolerance to mix this cocktail of drugs..not preaching but some times ...

[Phuzed]

Originally Posted by Dissociation

Tell SWIM maybe to try 50 mg of the Morphine and to take 2 mg of xanax its a really good time. if SWIM does not feel not to intoxicated tell them to pop the other half.

Yeah, SWIM has done benzos + opiates together but only in small doses, what you recommended would probabaly knock him on his ass

[MEKONE]

Bro,your better off under dosing than you are overdosing.You initally posted that you take a Vic. or 2 every other day or so,by that alone tells that you don't have a strong tolerance.Swim should start out like he suggested with 1/4.You can always work yourself up.

[Herbal Healer 019]

SWIM agrees with pixplzthx mixing benzos and opiates is dangerous and can kill yo ass the 1st and last time SWIM did this they mixed 5mg valium with cannabis and 1 5mg hydrocodone and went into a nod like state with slightly labored breathing SWIM can only imagine how dangerous this could have been had SWIM took a higher dose of either of the pharms mentioned...although it wasnt unpleasent SWIM wudnt recomend mixing opiates and benzos...b smart about what you do...better safe then sorry cuz once youre dead yo ass aint comin bak

heRbaLhEaLeR19 added 2 Minutes and 13 Seconds later...

Let it b noted morphine is much stronger than hydrocodone so again mixing benzos with opiates, especially morphine, is dangerous

[pixplzthx]

Sorry but mixing opiates and benzos when you are naive (little or no tolerence) on both is a big no-no.

But the OP has the right idea: Start low and work your way up. 100 mg of Morphine (oral) is equal to about 65 mg of oxycodone oral. So, a fourth of 65 is right around 16+ mg.

-ish.

It's not an exact science but it'll give you a decent starting point.

[cra$h]

swim at 110lbs took 60mg, and it felt like around 40-50mg of oxycodone, so around 50-55mg of hydrocodone. This got swim REAL nice, and do yourself a favor, crush the pill contents (if in a capsule) then cook it. It creates a much better high, and you don't lose a lot of high-time.

[JaWill88]

yes it is highly irresponsible to suggest something like a higher dose (for someone with about 0 tolerance) and benzodiazepines (especially alprazolam). but yeah swim would agree 25mg is a good dose if two vicodin is the normal dose. in fact that is stronger than two vicodin (hydrocodone). swim is pretty sure 15mg morphine is equivelant to 10mg hydrocodone or in that range. so yeah start with no more than 25mg is swims opinion. have fun and be safe.

[fiveleggedrat]

Yup, mixing is a stupid idea unless you happen to have tons of experiences with both alone and both at very low doses.

Swim should start around 25mg, adding 25mg each 30 minutes, on an empty stomach, 1hour wait time if on a full stomach.

Dosing slow and steady is the way to go and be safe. You can always redose later.

[Phuzed]

Since I've started this thread SWIM has taken 25mg in a sitting and everything went fine, had a nice high and that was that. SWIM had smoked some weed throughout the high too.

Well, SWIM took a break from any opiates for about 2 weeks and decided to take another dose at around 10mg, just to ease some pain he was feeling from hurting his leg that day. SWIM didn't really feel anything significant and feel asleep about 2 hours after taking the dose anyways. Then, 2 days later exactly SWIM took a dose of about 30mg for fun, it was just slightly bigger then a 4th of the pill, maybe about a 3rd. Just like last time SWIM was smoking some weed along with it.

Everything was fine for about 3 hours, but around this time SWIM was playing some video games and started to feel dizzy so he got up and started to walk down the hall. At this point and time SWIM was coming in and out of vision and was bumping into the sides of the walls, basically unable to stand up. All SWIM could think in the few seconds before passing out in the hallway was "OMG SWIM is ODing!!!"

Next thing SWIM knows he is in the middle of the hallway, laying on the floor waking up with a full cup of Sprite spilled all over him and feeling the same way he felt right before he blacked out. SWIM is still panicing at this point having never felt anything close to this before and not knowing what the hell is wrong with him. SWIM was dizzy as hell and had a loud ringing in his ears. With what little function he had in his body SWIM called a friend that had experience with opiates and his buddy came over asap to comfort SWIM. SWIM's buddy told SWIM he simply did whats called "nodding out" and that even though it's a pretty low dose to nod out on it's quite normal to nod out while on heavy opiates. In all fairness SWIM started to feel alot better once his buddy arrived but felt dizzy and quite out of it untill he went to take a nap about an hour after the event.

Well, truth be told SWIM had heard the term nodding out before but never understood what it actually meant or felt like. SWIM is suprised to here that what he did is something that sometimes happens with heavy opiates and came to share his story in hopes to get more clearification. SWIM would call his experience straight up passing out violently and has a hard time believing that this is indeed "nodding out."

So, is what SWIM described consistant with nodding out or did SWIM do something wrong/take too much? Any info on how this works would be great. Thanks for reading !

[jon-q]

Originally Posted by Phuzed

Well, truth be told SWIM had heard the term nodding out before but never understood what it actually meant or felt like. SWIM is suprised to here that what he did is something that sometimes happens with heavy opiates and came to share his story in hopes to get more clearification. SWIM would call his experience straight up passing out violently and has a hard time believing that this is indeed "nodding out."

So, is what SWIM described consistant with nodding out or did SWIM do something wrong/take too much? Any info on how this works would be great. Thanks for reading !

Nodding as the term suggests is the point were one is in a semi-awake
~semi-asleep state,on the border line,swiy may drift off for 5 mins then be fully alert for 10 mins this can continue for 1-2hrs or you may just nodd off for 5 seconds drop the tv remote and quickly come to(it's a bit like seeing gramps after christmas dinner you know he just wants to go to sleep for an hour or two,but he is trying his hardest to keep awake) of course the level of this can vary depending on how much drug is taken,taken to the extreme a 2-3hr nod can become a full blown OD...
If swiy is flirting near the edge of his tolerance,roughly splitting a tablet is not a good idea,just as acid blotters can vary in strength(from the same sheet)a tablet can also vary in drug distribution=bash the pill up as fine as poss mix(shake in a bag e.t.c) and then divide up in to xxx doses...
Just for the record roughly ~30mg morphine=50mg hydrocodone=300mg tramadol=300mg codeine..
Hope this helps swiy.......

[wertopas]

Had you eaten anything or was that on an empty stomach?

[Phuzed]

Originally Posted by wertopas

Had you eaten anything or was that on an empty stomach?

SWIM had a doughnut before taking the pill and had more doughnut and cookies with the pill and during the high. But, to be honest all SWIM had was doughnut and cookies in the house (lol) and SWIMs stomach was gurgling and mumbling all throughout the high.

SWIM's stomach was clearly upset but it wasn't phasing him too much, just a slight discomfort if he focused on it. It could very well be that the junk food was not enough solid substance for SWIM.

Is it important to eat decent solid meal before dosing something like Morph?

Phuzed added 7 Minutes and 58 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by jon-q

Nodding as the term suggests is the point were one is in a semi-awake
~semi-asleep state,on the border line,swiy may drift off for 5 mins then be fully alert for 10 mins this can continue for 1-2hrs or you may just nodd off for 5 seconds drop the tv remote and quickly come to(it's a bit like seeing gramps after christmas dinner you know he just wants to go to sleep for an hour or two,but he is trying his hardest to keep awake) of course the level of this can vary depending on how much drug is taken,taken to the extreme a 2-3hr nod can become a full blown OD...
If swiy is flirting near the edge of his tolerance,roughly splitting a tablet is not a good idea,just as acid blotters can vary in strength(from the same sheet)a tablet can also vary in drug distribution=bash the pill up as fine as poss mix(shake in a bag e.t.c) and then divide up in to xxx doses...
Just for the record roughly ~30mg morphine=50mg hydrocodone=300mg tramadol=300mg codeine..
Hope this helps swiy.......

Yeah, what SWIM experienced wasn't just nodding off to sleep here and there but rather a very rapid and violent passing out while standing up. (As described in my post) Then being extremly dizzy and ringing in his ears after waking up from laying in the hallway. This is why SWIM was thrown off by his friend saying that he just did whats called nodding out.

I'm afraid SWIM experienced something that shouldn't happen but can't figure out if it's because SWIM took too much, or just doesn't have the right body to handle this stuff or what.

Thanks for the info Jon.

[swellin]

Check your breathing while doing opiates, If you take an amount that your not used to and its close to oding, your breathing can slow quite a bit, that and standing up quickly can cause you to be very light headed, which could also cause you to have a panic attack since you might think you could be dying, which could lead to the black out. In my experience you cant nod while standing, although i dont nod much my self, even though i take high doses of morphine 240mg sometimes, even at that dose when i do nod, i never ever have actually fallen asleep or been to the point that i would. Just check your breating, if you notice your breathing is to slow, take a few breaths , get up slow, and you should avoid the dizzyness.

[Wierd flower]

Swim needs information. Friend of Swim offer her a shoot of morphine. Swim never took opiates or even a hit by IV.

Is it risky? What should swim be carefull of?

[swellin]

Im not here to tell you what to do, but this is my opinion, do not inject anything, stay away from that, taking opiates orally is bad enough, but putting a needle in your arm is entering into a whole other world, that you dont want to be in.

Now you could probably take what ever you have been offerd oraly, whats the dose. And maybe plug it