Drug info - Perfect Bliss, Kava Kava

[brooklyn718]

Dear fellow members, I recently was given a note from an egret flying by who asked me to post it here. It is transcripted below.



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I have found the most blissfull item that I now call my passion.


This is a beutiful thing.


The effect was noticed after the second teaspoon, I was laughing and chatting like one of the "perfect stones" that we remember. My body was numb and head was so clear I was almost sober. The anti-anxiety effect of this low dose rivaled that of xanax, and blew alcohol out of the water. I couldnt make myself anxious if I tried, there were slight visual effects as usual with kava like the sharpening with the heavy head. Intoxication was minimal like usual with difficulty operating my legs. This was accomplished with items at the vitamin store and cost me under $xx for who knows how many doses.


Recipie:


I used good kava extract capsules with 75 mg kavalactone each pill. The pill was almost white (dont use the brown pills, there only grinded root, very little kavalactones as I understand.


I used Lecithin granuals also, this is needed or else it will not work.


I emptied 15 capsules into a bowl and added 2 heaping tablespoons of lecithin to the bowl. I mixed this around with a spoon until the mix was fairly even. Although the kava and lecithin had different textures I mixed until each teaspoon I took from it had equal amounts of each. I put this mixture into an empty vitamin bottle.


I then got a glass of milk, I then took a rounded teaspoon of the mixture and washed it down with the milk. By the second teaspoon I noticed my head was numb and my worries were completely gone. I had felt the opening feelings of alcohol intoxication without any intoxication. I was extremly happy and confident. The effects come on fast, within minutes. I proceded to take more teaspoons and came to a state of relaxion with not tiredness. Upon going outside I noticed the world looked amazing.





I want more to try this and post here of there experiances. I have a bottle of this mixture at work, and I take it at the end of the day on saturday, so by the time I get to my train I can feel euphoric, and by the time my train runs on the elevated line, The sun is setting at its most perfect and beutiful point and I feel amazing, its perfect to start my weekend.

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[Nahbus]

Swim loves KAVA KAVA. He gets some liquid extract every now and then. Anyway, why is the lecithin necessary?

[panchovilla]

Supposedly with kava you need some sort of oil to get the active ingredients to work. Swim got a pound of kava a while ago and tried it with olive oil, canola oil, and vegetable oil. Vegetable oil made it a good bit more effective. Swim never used the lecithin although it was in the recipe used. It would have probably been even better if he had. For swim kava tasted worse and worse every time he drank it until it was unbearable and swim threw it in the trash. He stored it in the freezer so it wouldn't spoil. Swim did like the kava feelings however, but it was just to nasty in the end.

So I wonder if one reason pills generally have no effect is because there is no oil to grab onto the active chemicals that get you high???? I also always wondered if there was any other ethnobotanicals that need oil or lecithin to extract the goodies?

[HighwayMan]

Thanks for this bit of Info. Now swim will definately try some Kava again.
He took like 20 kava extract pills before with little effect but did not
use any kind of transport like the oil or lecithin. Hope it works with
the combination.

[allyourbase]

kava has to be emulsified in order to be active. mineral oil did the trick, andwasnt as heavy or fat laden as olive or vegetable (I imagine he meant canola or corn) oils. one might also consider putting some kavalactone in melted chocolate , just an Idea.

[BrugmansiaBrujo]

There is already someone in Hawaii (Island of Kauai) selling a tub of
chocolate and kava root. It is very effective, and don't taste
bad either. Swim bought some and tried it, one or two spoons is all you
need.



It seems like it would be a simple thing to do, one day swim is going to try and make his own tub of chocolate kava!

[chilliker]

Swim got some kava kava pills, the only he could find in a GNC. These are the following:

Fresh Freeze-Dried
Kava Kava
Piper methysticum Root
A Dietary Supplement
325mg per capsule
Each capsule contains Kava Kava root wildcrafted and 100% fresh freeze dried.

Are these any good? They are brown as the ones you said NOT to get... Its all I could find. The bottle of pills dosen't say anything about kavalactone though... How should swim dose these? He took 15 capsules and took the inside out mixed it with Lethicin, coconut milk, normal milk, and a bit of diet icecream to give it flavor. He got his tounge mildly numb for about 5 min and that was about it. Any recomendations?

[Alfa]

SWIY would need the content of about 60 - 92 capsules to get somewhere.

[chilliker]

Isn't that amount kinda dangerous?

[Nagognog2]

Bongo uses a heaping tablespoon or 2 for his Kava-Kava beverages. I think Alfa was pointing in the direction that it would be more economical to purchase Kava as a bulk powder. The capsules are ineffective and too expensive.

[chilliker]

OK! Swim took 64 pills... Nice effect not much though... Took two shots of scotch and a joint... That was fun!

[KratomIs]

Swim tried Kava powder for the first time. Very effective, numb tounge, throat, very relaxing unusual experience. Now he has kava but not in powder form. He uses a cheese cloth.

MY RECOMMENDATION: FORGET THE PILLS GET REAL KAVA KAVA!

Preperation:

Put kava on top of cheese cloth, slowly pour water over it, then let it go into your cup.

The other day, swim felt REALLY HIGH by mixing, Kava Kava, Thai Kratom leaf and couple beers . Wow, it was a fantastic feeling. Has anyone tried mixing Kava with Kratom and or beer, or wine? The only thing is it was hard to know if swim drank any more, or added more kava or kratom, if this would get even better. Swim didn't cause he was where he wanted to be. And it lasted at least 2 hours.

[numpykuz]

Hi, could someone please explain to me what "Lecithin granules" are?

Swim has a whole lot of 250 mg, 30% kava-lactone capsules and he wants to try it with lecithin. Can it be bought pure or as part of something else??

Thanks.

[numpykuz]

Swim took 30 of these capsules mentioned above ^ about an hour ago, and he might feel a bit different but it may just be in his head. He was previously feeling a bit anxious and stressed (not too much), and now the anxiety and stress seems to have gone away. Other then this there doesnt seem to be any euphoric effects what so ever. Swim would like to try and make a mix with lecithin as I mentioned above ^ so he can have an awsome experience like brooklyn718 described in the first post. I need to know about lecithin though (see above).

[sunwolf25]

Wikipedia cut and paste:

Lecithin is mostly a mixture of glycolipids, triglycerides, and phospholipids (e.g. phosphatidylcholine, phosphatidylethanolamine, and phosphatidylinositol). However, in biochemistry, lecithin is usually used as a synonym for pure phosphatidylcholine, a phospholipid which is the major component of a phosphatide fraction which may be isolated from either egg yolk (in Greek lekithos - λεκιθος) or soy beans from which it is mechanically or chemically extracted using hexane.
Lecithin is commercially available in high purity as a food supplement and for medical uses

Yolk
Egg yolks are used to make mayonnaise and other dishes high in fat. Egg yolks are important as binding agents in many preparations in European cooking due to the emulsifying action of lecithin. This property is crucial for sauces such as mayonnaise and Hollandaise; custards such as crème anglaise, crème brûlée, flan, and lemon custard; and meat dishes such as sausages and pâté.
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So the extracted grainuals of Lecithin had to come from Egg or Soybean Oil most likely. I'm assuming some quantity of Egg or Egg yolk could be substituted.
Probably could make a resonable drink using Egg Nogg.

[snapper]

SWIM has always used olive oil. SWIM used to use a blender but now just puts 2 tablespoons of the powder in a bottle with about 2 cups of water, a teaspoon of olive oil and some vanilla syrup. The latter makes kava taste tolerable. Then SWIM shakes the bottle (make sure there is about 1/3rd air) for 5 minutes or so and drinks. Seems to work pretty well. SWIM was considering trying it with lecithin to compare.
Does it really matter what kind of oil is used, and how much ?
Would soymilk be a good carrier. Perhaps soymilk instead of water. After all, lecithin is from soy, right ?

[Bajeda]

Soya beans are indeed a source of lecithin, which is a potential benefit of drinking Soy Milk as opposed to regular dairy products. I am not sure how much lecithin you get from Soy Milk however, or how much is needed to improve the efficacy of Kava's effects.

If anyone has experimented with using Soy Milk in conjunction with Kava your experiences would be appreciated. Particularly, experiments comparing the use of Kava with oil, Soy milk, and lecithin supplements and any noticeable differences in effects from using these different products would be helpful.

[PoolShark1184]

Kava is the best drug SWIM has ever tried. Legal, effective, euphoric and not to mention incognito, SWIY should go out and buy some kava right now. SWIM can recommend some methods of taking kava however SWIY'll need to guess about the vendor.
Chocolate Kava is effective, but expensive. Only get this stuff if SWIY absolutely can't stand the taste of real kava. One xxxx tub will get SWIY about 5 medium-strength doses.
Kava root extract in the dropper bottle is the same deal, effective but expensive. Drink the whole bottle to feel magnficent, half to feel groovy, and follow the recommended dosage on the bottle to simply relax a bit.
Kava root is the best way, cheap, effective, fun, and absolutely gross tasting. Get the strainer bag and follow the dosage that I recommended in the kava experiences forum.

Disclaimer: You should not drink kava, or you will probably die. (Unless it is legal where you come from, in which case be thankful it is legal, and celebrate by getting bula'ed!)

DO NOT POST PRICES.

[pankreeas]

Unfortunately due to the magnitude of which the liver toxicity reports were overblown, swims country placed; at first a stop order on imports of Kava, which quickly turned into a full on ban. It surprises me that Canada would ban kava without waiting for the USA to do so first. Then again Canada did just lift it's ban on Sam-E and Meltonin just a while back. Now was Kava ever a topic for control/ban in the USA?

[Paracelsus]

Most kavalactone capsules and tablets are not effective by themselves, because the kavalactones aren't soluble in water, but soluble in fats (lecithin, vegetable oil, etc.) and alcohol.

Has anyone tried extracting kava into alcohol? I tend to believe that would be quite potent because alcohol reaches the brain quickly.

[snapper]

SWIM has found that emulsification of extracts helps a lot. For the powdered kava extract SWIM currently has, SWIM puts it in with some juice (pulpy orange juice) and then shakes it in a sealed bottle until frothy. This seems to suspend it evenly and cause rapid absorption. A blender would work also.
For root powder, the same seems to work. A new combo SWIM's been workin' on is root powder, soymilk, a 1/4 tspn of olive oil and some flavor/ sweetener if there is none in the soymilk. Take the concoction and shake vigorously on and off for 10 minutes or blend on high for 3 minutes, then drink suspended. Reshake if it's been sitting. SWIM likes to ingest the root material as well as the liquid since it is a little stronger that way. The paste extracts are hard to suspend and SWIM did not find the one SWIM tried to be at all potent. The current powder is better, mostly because it can be suspended in liquid so much easier than the paste.

[Nagognog2]

Friend of Bongo was recently in Tonga (and made an error in judgement that nearly got him married - but that's another story!) and the standard way he now prepares such is:

1 - 2 tablespoons powdered Kava~Kava. 6- 8 oz. (1/4 litre) whole milk (for the fat content), Blend until smooth in a blender (they have ;em on Tonga).

This then swallowed quickly - maybe 3 gulps.

Repeated if desired. To much results in a sleepy, drunken sort of state. Not suggested. And it doesn't cause liver-damage. The Christian missionaries want it banned - and they have a vested ($$$) interest in the liquor-import industry*. Go figure.


* no doubt, a people smashed on booze have more sins to confess on Sundays - than a populus peacefully sitting around chatting on Kava.

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Good point about alcohol!!

[Bajeda]

Swim was wondering about something related to the few posts right above this. Lecithin is helpful in making Kava more effective. Kava is soluble in fat, so you need something to emulsify it in. Taking oil out of the picture (some people use it some do not...), would it be better to use whole milk or soy milk in a Kava preparation? Soy milk is made from soya beans so I'd imagine it has a good deal of lecithin, but the overall fat content is lower than that of whole milk. So which would you say is better?



Also, if anyone has a few moments please check out and respond to the poll here ----> http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28104

[Nagognog2]

I'd have to say, chemically speaking, that this is the domain of trial & error.The Polynesians do not add lecithin and use whole milk. But using cow's milk is a recent innovation. They used to use coconut milk before the wooden ships floated in and made coconuts scarce. They might use lecithin if it made the drink better.

The main thing to remember is that kava~kava is a relaxing, conversational drink and pastime in the evenings for the people there. At least those who have not gone western and drink whiskey and fight. Westerners are more interested in getting "fucked-up" - and kava~kava simply won't do that. Lecithin or no. Drink too much and you get wobbly and tired and go to sleep. So experiment and see what SWIM thinks is the best way for SWIM.

[Bajeda]

Yes thats definitely something to keep in mind. Kava doesn't seem like a substance you'd find people wanting to heavily abuse, but some people will try anything in their quest to get messed up.

I was looking at the lecithin/soya vs. cow milk vs. coconut milk etc. issue in the context of efficiency really. Starving college students like to save money whenever possible, so whatever they can do to improve the efficacy of using drugs (particularly ones with as much potential usefulness as Kava) to save time, money, amount of stuff needed to be consumed, etc. they will probably investigate.