Effects - 1.4 BDO experience

[zachfromtexas]

SWIM has been testing over three days, first time with 1.4 BDO or any kind of GHB or GBL. SWIM has very bad insomnia which was self medicated by drinking 12-18 beers a night for many years. SWIM takes 40mg Paxil each day but only for GAD, OCD and panic attacks. SWIM quit drinking 5 weeks ago and since quiting has been taking 1 mg xanax and 6mg melatonin 30 minutes before bed for fair sleep, but SWIM is always tired until noon for past 10+ years. SWIM wants off the Xanax for periods of 1-2 weeks each each month to limit the addiction and get better sleep. Below is SWIM's first time use and log of the three days on 1.4 BDO mostly taking a night 2-3 hours before bed: No xanax or melatonin. No drinking last 5 weeks. Slight weed smoking maybe two puffs a night on a one hitter, not really big on weed. 40mg Paxil each morning past 6 years.

Day one:
7:30 - .5ml
7:50 - .5ml
8:05 - slight buzz like drinking
8:19 - .5ml total of 1.5ml since 7:30
8:38 - Fell real good relaxed not like a alcohol buzz
8:51 - .5ml
9:27 - .5ml
10:10 - .5ml total 3ml since 7:30
10:10 - Feel real good ~ slight hot flashes
10:56 - .5ml
10:56 - F'ed up and can't walk straight. No problems speaking inteligently.
11:39 - .5ml
11:39 - Buzz a little less then 10:56
12:02 - SWIM jerked off until 1:15am with quality porn (normally 10-15 minute deal). Very hard to ejaculate but managed after 1 hour 15 minutes. Had bad leg cramps (Never had before) a few time that spoiled the molment.
1:20 - In bed asleep within 5 minutes.
6:47am - Woke up totally refreshed. Feel great....off to work

Day two:
9:32 - 3ml
10:46 - 2ml total 5ml since 9:32
11:15 - Layed down and asleep within minutes
6:03am - Morning. Feel great!! Excellent vivid dreams all night which I haven't had in years. Totally refreshed headed to work at 7am. Not tired at all for first time in years.

Day Three: (Too much)
4:55 - 1.5ml
5:40 - 1.5ml
7:05 - 1ml
7:50 - 1ml total of 5ml since 4:55
8:15 - F'ed up. Ichy head, blurred vision, lost voice like laryngitis.
9:45 - SWIM's Wife wakes SWIM up at computer desk. SWIM doesn't remember a damn thing since 8:15 entry. Stumbled to bed.
10:00 - Out of bed. Pigged out on chips, donuts and cookies.
10:10 - layed back down. asleep with minutes.
3:15am - Swim's radio starts crying. Woke right up and felt normal.
3:20am - SWIM's got radio back asleep. Back to bed and asleep within 5 mintues
6:15am - SWIM woke refreshed and played video games with older radio. Made breakfast for radios and let SWIM-W sleep in until 12:10pm. SWIM-W hasn't got that from SWIM in years. SWIM-W asked if SWIM was drinking last night and he said "No, SWIM is testing a new sleep aid called BDO". No questions from SWIM-W on what is BDO.

SWIM always drinks dose in shot glass mixed with OJ and then immediately drink a 8oz glass of OJ with each dose. SWIM drinks water between doses to keep hidrated. SWIM has never had a upset stomach or any bad effects except leg cramp during "The Jerk" on day 1 and the blackout on day 3

Just SWIM's Experience. SWIM will continue with never over 4ml for next 10 says then switch back to the Xanax and melatonin dose. SWIM hopes to see a phyciatrist soon since it's been years and maybe there is something that is FDA approved instead of taking BDO which has limited sudy of harmful effects.

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	Good report
	nice clear experience

[fiveleggedrat]

Do not use every day!

Swiy will produce a tolerance and likely a physical addiction to the substance.

[zachfromtexas]

Originally Posted by fiveleggedrat

Do not use every day!

Swiy will produce a tolerance and likely a physical addiction to the substance.

SWIM figured 2 weeks on BDO then 2 weeks on Xanax and Melatonin. Never mix the two and hopefully never build up too much of a tolerance for either. Is SWIM headed down the road of being addicted to both one4 and Xanax? SWIM knows that if he dosen't take Xanax for a week that 1mg kicks his ass for the first 3 days then tolerance takes away the recreational fun...

[zachfromtexas]

Well Swim has done 1.4 BDO every night since 09-24-08 between 4-7 pm. Swim has taken no less then 5ml or more then 10ml during this 3 hours before crashing around 9:30. SWIM had 2 times where he nodded off in his computer chair when he did the 10ml over the 3 hours. SWIM always takes a multi-vitamin and complex B each morning but felt a little hung over when taking the higher dose.

So SWIM's concern was the dreaded withdrawal from a cold turkey...SWIM totally stopped taking any BDO 3 days ago with no bad effects... SWIM did didn't even notice it other then he stayed up later and watched some good movies. SWIM slept great with a 1mg xanny at bedtime. SWIM feels refreshed and normal. SWIM is taking a break from BDO for 2-3 weeks to ensure tolerance drops off. SWIM will try to sub the 1mg xanax at bedtime for 6mg melatonin. SWIM is going for 2-3 weeks sober and not on any prescribed meds except his 40mg Paxil.

[Ontherooftops]

Of course swiy slept terrifically and without withdrawl with a milligram of xanax before bed.

Don't substitute with benzos though, any sort of routine consumption of larger doses of benzodiazepine is almost always going to result in nastier feelings than what the benzo is being substituted for, especially if the withdrawl from BDO is limited to some sleeplessness.

[Bricker]

SWIM had been taking Paxil for almost nine months for depression/anxiety and panic attacks. He told me that once he was on that med that he regularly had problems sleeping and had a very hard time climaxing. His MD orginally prescribed 0.5 mg risperdal for sleep, which he claims totally screwed his whole next day. He was also prescribed 0.5 mg Xanex for anxiety/sleep as well. He told me that he eventually realized that the Paxil had more problems than benefits. After going through a couple more SSRIs he got on 40 mg Citralopram. SWIM tells me that he has no side effects with that Med. He sleeps well, enjoys sex and only occasionally uses the Xanex. IMHO it might be worth talking to your physician about trying a different anti-depressant. I've heard that Zoloft is a good SSRI with minimal side effects as well.

Bricker added 5 Minutes and 40 Seconds later...

Forgot to mention that SWIM tells me that getting off the Paxil was a bitch. He had twitchy eyes, muscle shocks, night sweats etc. His transition to the new med took a month but his doctor said that she may have weened him off the Paxil to quick.

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Good Swimming and first post! Enjoy your green square.

[zachfromtexas]

SWIM is still playing with this 1.4 BD and not any ill effects yet. He will do it somethimes for a week and then take a week or two off. Doesn't really crave the stuff but does like the buzz and added sleep effects. No alcohol drinks since September and Xanax use is seldom unless he wants a rec dose which is high (2mg) and normally ends in a eating binge then great sleep for 10-12 hours. He's lost 20 pounds too from 235 to 215 without any workout or eating habit changes so he attributes that to not drinking beer. He's 6'2" tall. He's used maybe 125ml over the past 2 months. When he takes it he always get a drunk feeling but motivated and does all kinds of projects like landscaping and house repairs or play video games much better then when sober. He's never lost any memory of events when on this stuff either so he's not sure how someone could use this as a date rape drug. He does not ever leave the house when using BDO or use power tools or work on dangerous things like electrical. He doesn't like the effects if he does too much which is drunk and spinning feeling like he's going to throw-up. He's very careful to dosage...never more then 2ml first dose and never dose more 1ml each hour. He writes down all doses so he knows exactly what he's taken over what period of time. Bad effects are no possible way to climax after 4-5ml even though the sex is erotic & feels excellent and slight muscle cramps in legs...

Reputation Comments on this post:

FUCKIN KUDOS!!! THANKS! No one has posted anything on this site regarding BDO that even comes CLOSE to these reports. ...

[Richard_smoker]

Thanks! GREAT INFO!! This site is SERIOUSLY lacking on information on BDO.

I have several questions for you, and I would be VERY happy if you could answer any or all of them...

1. It seems that swiy has been able to find a BDO dose that actually WORKS for sleep-induction... can you comment on how effective BDO actually is for this use? in other words, Does BDO work CONSISTENTLY for sleep???

2. Regarding POTENTIAL problems with LIVER-Damage:
a. Notice ANY yellowing of skin?
b. ANY yellowing of the eyes? (the 'whites' of the eyes; aka 'sclera'
c. What about under SWIY's tongue?? Any yellowing under the tongue? (this is the most 'sensitive' area for revealing jaundice/yellowing from liver insults)

3. What about SWIY's skin? Has SWIY noticed any weird or unusual peeling, sores, or anything else that might indicate toxicity from the BDO?? Specifically, what about swiy's LIPS? any unusual crusting/peeling/sores???

4. HOW LONG can SWIY SLEEP after a good dose of BDO??? FYI: When the FDA approved "Zyrem" aka "legal GHB", they specifically instructed doctors that GHB-induced sleep only lasts about 3 hours---therefore, patients are instructed to fall asleep with an extra dose of GHB HANDY! Then, when patients awaken after 3 hours of heavy sleep, they are supposed to immediately take their 2nd dose! then, go back to sleep... QUESTION: HOW DOES BDO COMPARE TO *THIS* IN TERMS OF HOW LONG ONE CAN EXPECT TO SLEEP??

That's about it for now. I'm trying my DAMNDEST to compile a good safety profile for those curious about using BDO as a GHB replacement

Thanks again for your input. -DICK

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Nice one Richard, I would very much like to see a 1,4b guide for this forum. Thank you.

[zachfromtexas]

Originally Posted by Richard_smoker

Thanks! GREAT INFO!! This site is SERIOUSLY lacking on information on BDO.

I have several questions for you, and I would be VERY happy if you could answer any or all of them...

1. It seems that swiy has been able to find a BDO dose that actually WORKS for sleep-induction... can you comment on how effective BDO actually is for this use? in other words, Does BDO work CONSISTENTLY for sleep???

2. Regarding POTENTIAL problems with LIVER-Damage:
a. Notice ANY yellowing of skin?
b. ANY yellowing of the eyes? (the 'whites' of the eyes; aka 'sclera'
c. What about under SWIY's tongue?? Any yellowing under the tongue? (this is the most 'sensitive' area for revealing jaundice/yellowing from liver insults)

3. What about SWIY's skin? Has SWIY noticed any weird or unusual peeling, sores, or anything else that might indicate toxicity from the BDO?? Specifically, what about swiy's LIPS? any unusual crusting/peeling/sores???

4. HOW LONG can SWIY SLEEP after a good dose of BDO??? FYI: When the FDA approved "Zyrem" aka "legal GHB", they specifically instructed doctors that GHB-induced sleep only lasts about 3 hours---therefore, patients are instructed to fall asleep with an extra dose of GHB HANDY! Then, when patients awaken after 3 hours of heavy sleep, they are supposed to immediately take their 2nd dose! then, go back to sleep... QUESTION: HOW DOES BDO COMPARE TO *THIS* IN TERMS OF HOW LONG ONE CAN EXPECT TO SLEEP??

That's about it for now. I'm trying my DAMNDEST to compile a good safety profile for those curious about using BDO as a GHB replacement

Thanks again for your input. -DICK

SWIM reports good sleep 6-7 hours lots of REM. SWIM is 215 Pounds 6'2" tall. 2ml with OJ then 30 minutes later 2ml with OJ. Lay down and he's out within 5-10 minutes. SWIM don't wake up for 6-7 hours, has vivid dreams all night and feel refreshed in the am.

SWIM says please be careful and sleep on SWIY side with their back against a wall or on a couch. SWIM has never vomited but that is how he would think someone get in trouble with this stuff

SWIM can assure you no liver issues. He just had a bad case of costal congitis last week and went to the emergency room. Since he's well insured and had previous heart issues at age 15 from Rheumatic Fever (Prolapsed Mitral) he had full testing, Iodine cat scan, ultra-sound valve measurements, etc. Full blood panel including liver fuction since he told them he was a sever alcoholic and had quit drinking in September. SWIM spent 1/2 day in ER and was told he was the spliting image of health at 40 years old, liver and heart were good. They gave him a script for Percocet which he filled and then gave to a friend since he hates pain killers...they make him paranoid...

SWIM said he's doing a little BDO today since it's been a while since he's endulged and has lots of small projects that would be more interesting on the 1four

Reputation Comments on this post:

EXCELLENT INFORMATION!! Please elaborate on frequency of use.

[Richard_smoker]

zach,

that's some potentially GREAT information. Can you tell us how frequently swiy was taking the 1,4 prior to the liver function tests?

it appears at first glance that he took the 4ml's one night and then within the next day or so went the the ER for testing, is that correct? if BDO is hepatotoxic at normal doses (without mixing with alcohol), then his liver enzymes should have been elevated with 4ml's on the following day. let us know. this is very important.

thanks.
-DICK

[blackwolf]

As a longtime veteran (10 years of normally having a bottle around ) of GHB, GBL, and BDO, Swin can be of some assistance to gathering up information on these substances. Here goes a little story, and an answer to some of your questions. All of this is dependent on his bodys chemistry and should only be seen as antidotal observations.

Of all three chemicals, GHB is of course, in Swins opinion, the best of the best. In his experience, it is the cleanest and most euphoric, gives the purest sleep( albiet short) and can literally be used everyday for swin, without withdrawal, due to the incredibly short half-life and eventually it metabolizes into carbon dioxide and water (not a myth, a fact backed up by peer reviewed articles) . This of course doesn't mean dosing 24-7 , just that if he wants, he can dose once or twice during the day, and twice at night for sleep. This isn't recommended, and the older wiser swin now always takes days off while using G and BD. Swin has also started to notice that G and bdo is self limiting now( has been for the last 3 or 4 years), due to the dopamine rebound and anxiety and accompanies it. This is most noticed with GBL, but BDO also is starting to have this effect if used to often.

So where was Swin, Ah yes, BDO.
Swin used BDO for a period of almost 2 years starting around late 99 . He recently has began using this again, having found some in september. For all the years between, he had been using mostly GHB but occasioonally GBL when NaOH was in short supply.
The effects of bdo last a bit longer for swin, at least at first. When he first started taking it, the effects would kick in around 20 min, peak around 30-45 minutes, and last for around 4.5 hours, this now lasts around 3 hours-3.5 for swin. With ghb and gbl it lasts around 2 to 3 and a half hours. Swin has a very fast metabolism, and for being a small swin( only 135-140lbs and 6') can often drink everyone at a party or pub under the table. I believe this may help explain why BDO does not last very long for swin, as this would hint at swins body being able to metabolize alcohols faster then your average swiy due to naturally higher levels of alcohol dehydrogenase enzymes.

A note of warning with BDO. Swin has been able to experiment with chemicals for 15 years, without ever falling victim to the monkey of addiction. The one chemical to truly test this and give swin bad withdrawals was BDO. He was using it almost nightly for sleep, and a couple of times during the evening for relaxation. after almost a year of ramping up the dose he found it wasn't giving him more then an hour of sleep , so he stopped taking it( he still had half a bottle of it) He spent the next 3 days in panic attacks and with zero sleep. He finally went to the doctors and received a small script for xanax, which stopped the panic and insomnia. A few months later swin decided to try BDO again, and was able to finish the rest of the bottle over the course of a year with out problems. Swin feels this is the most important thing to remember about BDO, is that it seems to be more prone to dependance then ghb and even gbl due to the more steps it must take in your body to be converted into GHB, longer halflife, and possible effects on its own. swin feel this gives it a riskier profile for nightly use, and if you are using it nightly, you must be sure to take days off, and to either use it for fun in the evening, or for sleep. If you do both daily you are risking it.

Over all swin would say that while similar, the effects of BDO verse the effects of GHB are not the same. In swins experience, BDO gives people a nauseous feeling more often then G does. Swin found that BDO naive people are more prone to this, and with experience this effect is lessened, but still happens when the dose is raised to high. swin haven't noticed any toxic effects from BDO, but I have a feeling that with chronic ingestion the alcohol dehydrogenase enzymes which convert this to GHB will become overloaded, allowing this chemical to circulate in your blood stream, unconverted, and potentially causing some problems. It is also worth note, that the purity of this is more important then with GBL, as the main impurities in GBL are often BDO, and water, There are far more nasty chemical impurities which form as a side reaction when BDO is made. With that said, I don't feel this is a problem when used responsibly. Your milage may very.

This is also a very important note.... DO NOT MIX THIS WITH ALCOHOL. Far more important then mixing GHB with alcohol, BDO will not turn into GHB if you have been drinking. Make a rule, if you have had an alcoholic drink, do not drink BDO until 3 hours after your last drink. If you have had enough to drink to get a decent buzz or drunk, you should hold off until the next day completely. This is not due as much to a risk of respiratory depression as its due alcohol dehydrogenase enzymes being used to process both alcohol and BDO. This will in theory put a extra heavy strain on your liver, and it will also allow the unprocessed BDO to wonder around your body.It just doesn't work together so dont do it!!!!

One last thing Swin can not stress enough. As with everything, know your dose, know your source, start small, work your way up, and do your research.

Originally Posted by Richard_smoker

Thanks! GREAT INFO!! This site is SERIOUSLY lacking on information on BDO.
I have several questions for you, and I would be VERY happy if you could answer any or all of them...
1. It seems that swiy has been able to find a BDO dose that actually WORKS for sleep-induction... can you comment on how effective BDO actually is for this use? in other words, Does BDO work CONSISTENTLY for sleep???

Yes and no. Swins dose for sleep is 2.5-3.5 ml. Sometimes, if Swin doesnt get too bed right after taking a sleep dose of BDO, he will lay awake, unable to get fully asleep. If he does take a dose right as he gets into bed, he will almost always fall asleep. This works best if he has not used any BDO earlier that evening.

Originally Posted by Richard_smoker

2. Regarding POTENTIAL problems with LIVER-Damage:
a. Notice ANY yellowing of skin?
b. ANY yellowing of the eyes? (the 'whites' of the eyes; aka 'sclera'
c. What about under SWIY's tongue?? Any yellowing under the tongue? (this is the most 'sensitive' area for revealing jaundice/yellowing from liver insults)

No. Swin has gilberts disorder, so he has a slightly raised billirubin count always. He has had the exact same count since he was 17. Between the use now, and when I was using it everyday, there has never been any jaundice or hints of toixcity.
Swin has recently had some medical tests done, in fact he had a entire panel done( this was due to a serious of unexplained symptoms( fibro) that had been happening since before he started using BDO and g again... he had had a one year break due to lack of supply). He had been using BDO around 5 nights a week, including 3 times the night before the panel. Everything came back normal. My billirubin was slightly elevated, but no more so then I have always had. It was low enough that the doctor didnt even mention it, and when I brought it up, he said that it was fine.

Originally Posted by Richard_smoker

3. What about SWIY's skin? Has SWIY noticed any weird or unusual peeling, sores, or anything else that might indicate toxicity from the BDO?? Specifically, what about swiy's LIPS? any unusual crusting/peeling/sores???

The only thing swin noticed in the morning after drinking two doses of BDO, was cottonmouth, and dehydration. This was slightly more sever then normal. There is also a distinct taste that accompanies the morning cottonmouth.

Originally Posted by Richard_smoker

4. HOW LONG can SWIY SLEEP after a good dose of BDO??? FYI: When the FDA approved "Zyrem" aka "legal GHB", they specifically instructed doctors that GHB-induced sleep only lasts about 3 hours---therefore, patients are instructed to fall asleep with an extra dose of GHB HANDY! Then, when patients awaken after 3 hours of heavy sleep, they are supposed to immediately take their 2nd dose! then, go back to sleep... QUESTION: HOW DOES BDO COMPARE TO *THIS* IN TERMS OF HOW LONG ONE CAN EXPECT TO SLEEP??

Swin find this is exactly the same with BDO as with G, It verys between 3-4 hours of sleep for me while on BDO. Once you do wake up you will get the dopamine rebound, and need another dose in order to fall back asleep. Swin findsat first the sleep he gets from BDO is just as good as the sleep he would get from GHB , but if he trys to take it every night, the sleep becomes less restful. He is not sure why this is, but the sleep he gets from GHB is almost always restful, with continued use of BDO that element seems to not be as prelevent.

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