Dose - Potential for Bad Trip with 2 Sugar Cubes?

[papertigers]

SWIM just bought two sugarcubes of lsd (there are supposedly 400micrograms each). SWIM is planning on taking one while his friend takes another one. SWIM's past drug usage has been; has smoked a lot of weed, but quit recently. has done lsd once (it was a gel tab, probably around 150micrograms) and has taken 2.5-3g of shrooms once.
SWIM'd just like to know if he could be in for a bad trip. SWIM hasnt really done any of these drugs for several months, but has had very fun trips with the shrooms and lsd, and have never gotten paranoid with weed. SWIMs friend and him are best friends, and they're just gonna go for some nature walks, hang out at my house alone. do you think 400 micrograms will be too intense for SWIM or should it still be a fun time? thanks

-nick

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	read read read
	Good you are concerned and asking questions - and please read the rules.

[sylenth]

hi papertigers, firstly welcome to df but you need to read the rules regarding self incrimination. as for the advice, 'smurf' says that 400ug is a big dose for a 2nd time trip. the usual amount is around 250ug but it is never really known with these kind of things. depending where 'swiy' (someone who is'nt you) got the lsd cube is where the info can be more informative.

was the guy someone swey knows well? does other swiys buy from him? did they say it was very strong? are they new in to using lsd?

so there are many factors at play, if these are as strong as they supposed to be then smurf reconmends halving them. if they are sold as a single dose/hit 'which they probably are' then one will be fine for swiy if swiy has done all the right homework as to plan a safe trip with a baby sitter if swiy is worried & as mentioned correct environments etc... info is all over in the lsd forum. swiy should be fine since swiy had lsd before & knows what to expect.

here's the rules. happy reading, a moderator will be in touch with you shortly http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/ann....php?f=184&a=1

[Panthers007]

No - HERE are the rules:

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/ann....php?f=184&a=1

[Jatelka]

Now it may be be me, but I think a one-post newbie deserves a reminder of the rules, (which they have received) rather than bad rep and an instant red-box

If they break the rules again, then, by all means hit that rep button, but everyone should be allowed one mistake

Friendly reminders people, we were all new here once (and the flamingo has at least 2 corkers she can recall)

[fiveleggedrat]

Ask whoever is giving to you what Swim would: Why is it 400 micrograms? Is that not too much of a dose? Is that not a risk of a bad trip? How sure are you it really IS 400ug?

If they respond with anger, frustration, tell you to shut up, etc, run away and never deal with them again.

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allways on top of it .. how are they sure

[Songcycle67]

400 micrograms is a pretty high dose. Definitely not for your average casual user. SWIM wouldn't consider this a recreational dose, it can get pretty heavy; but there are a lot of people who swear by these "fully cosmic" experiences as being the only road to proper results with LSD. SWIM'd recommend it at least once for anyone who's very intrigued with LSD. Maybe not for their second trip...150 mics is a pretty low dose and a fairly different experience than 400. Just tell them if they do decide to take it to make sure they're safe, comfortable and in a good mindset. They should be prepared for anything at that level...some really freaky and unsettling things can happen, but SWIM says most of the time it's good fun if it's planned properly and the person reminds themselves that it's just a drug.

[Panthers007]

I'll just fix a little mistake someone (AHEM!) made here...

[papertigers]

thank you for your replies. and im sorry, i should have read the rules. ive been browsing here for some reason i (stupidly) thought that it automatically replaces I with SWIM. im dumb. anyway..
SWIM has done his fair share of research, as SWIM is very interested about lsd.
as for you questions sylenth, SWIM has known this guy his whole life, and the guy is a very experiences lsd user. he is also pretty sure it is about 400 micrograms. He told SWIM that one hit should be good, and 2 would be crazy.

SWIM isnt too nervous about taking a full hit, as last time he did the lesser one (150micrograms) he kept waiting to trip really hard, and was just full of energy and fun. Would it be safe to take half of one and take the other half in an hour or two if theyre feeling very comfortable with it? Im asking that cause ive read in some other posts that redosing sometimes loses its' affect, which essentially would be a waste of lsd.

Sorry to have so many questions, SWIM is just very anxious about trippin soon.

[Songcycle67]

SWIM thinks re-dosing is a waste, personally. If SWIY thought that 150 mics was tolerable and they wanted to go further out, then i'd say 200 wouldn't be that much more impressive. One can't break through beyond "average psychedelic experience" into the cosmic realm until they take around 250-300ug. 400 will be very intense, but like SWIM said if the person is ready and willing for anything then they will come out just dandy.

If 150 wasn't impressive SWIM wouldn't recommend messing about with trying to half the dose down to 200...if he can handle 200 he can handle 400. Unless the person will have another chance to take a 400ug dose again after this experience, SWIM'd say spacing out the doses would ruin a lot of the impact that the full dose all at once would create. The whole point of taking a large dose is so that it can flood the brain all at once and that feeling of being "yanked out" of normal consciousness into la-la land that high doses provide is truly amazing.

So it really just depends on what he wants from the experience and if he's worried about wasting the hit. If the cube only has 200 on it then your friend is going to have a very disappointing night if he halfs it.

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good info

[papertigers]

thank you, you brought up some very good points. does anyone else agree with songcycle about the redosing? or is it just kinda an opinion thing?

[Panthers007]

Tolerance develops so rapidly that a second dose would, mostly, be a waste of time. One should just let go and let SWIM take whatever quantity will be consumed - be consumed. All Together Now.

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yes it would

[sweetsweetmary]

sWIM found LSD to be alot more controllable then Mushrooms and highly prefers LSD to mushrooms. In the right mindset LSD is indeed the bomb. It seems to have a set pattern unlike mushrooms where the right mindset isn't all you need to get through. LSD with a good mindset, with great people in a great safe and secure location = one hell of trip!

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good stuff agreed

[tryptamaster]

swim prefers acid to shrooms too but unless u getting these cubes from a chemsit i HIGHLY doubt those microgram doses are any where near acurate. msot people make bullshit like tht up cuz thier no way to tell how powerful they are. ur best bet to find out how powerful they are is to jsut ask some other swims or the dealer how powerful they are.

[Desertfox]

That 400 mcg is at best just an educated guess by an aquaintance that thinks it may be around there. SWIM would guess the dose on the cube is less and that halfing it and dosing later is highly unadvisible due to the rapid tolerance that comes after LSD passes the blood-brain barrier. SWIY doesn't want to waste good drugs now. SWIM doesn't know if this helps SWIY sinxce everyone is different, but SWIM personally prefers LSD over shrooms.

P.S. Listen to Mewithoutyou when SWIY is on it, you'll love them even more. (SWIM noticed your name is the title of one of their songs.)

[papertigers]

thanks again everyone. you could be right that someone bullshitted the dosage, and SWIM is in a very good mindset/has everything planned out, so has decided to take the full hit and let the drug take him where it will.
Also, Desertfox, SWIM actually got the name from a Thrice song (his fav band) but i also like mewithoutyou

[Desertfox]

Yeah SWIM meant thrice. one of swim's faves to. SWIM had it confused with paper hangers by mewithoutyou. But anyways SWIM suggests to listen to the alchemy index by thrice, all 4 volumes are good. EARTH WIND FIRE AND WATER! Drowning in a digital sea of ones and zero's

[papertigers]

SWIM took the whole hit, had a wonderful time. now he's alone and startin to trip even more buts its kinda gettin scary lol. SWIM took it at 9am. it is now 1am, shouldnt the effects start fading away? they seem like theyre comin stronger

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swim used

[chillinwill]

Originally Posted by papertigers

SWIM took the whole hit, had a wonderful time. now he's alone and startin to trip even more buts its kinda gettin scary lol. SWIM took it at 9am. it is now 1am, shouldnt the effects start fading away? they seem like theyre comin stronger

it could be DOx that SWIY took which can last up to 24 hours or so

[Songcycle67]

1 AM + 30 minutes for come up + 8-12 hours = comedown.

Those especially high doses like to stick around a bit longer than low ones. Usually on a standard hit one will get a 4 hour peak and 4 hours of gently floating back to normal. On high doses, in SWIM's experience, the whole 8-16 hours is a peakfest. Generally on such doses the true peak lasts for at least the full 8 hours and sometimes more, but on over 300ug usually the visions and disruptions don't end for SWIM until he goes to sleep. Even the next day is a bit hallucinogenic.

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the next day is the bomb, and you know this