Effects - What do you make of this/can it happen to SWIMmers?

[Joel90]

SWIM wants to do acid, really. But he continuously finds info that makes him think it'll stuff up his brain forever. What do you guys make of this:

http://www.btinternet.com/~blackvelvet/

Also... Does amphetamine and LSD mix?

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there is a news section for this kind of story. silly question as this can happen to any one.

[Panthers007]

And just what does this story mean to you? To me it signifies, if it's true, that an unstable young lady - likely overwhelmed by many things - broke many cardinal rules of psychedelics, such as proper set & setting, and this may have added to a nervous breakdown (to be polite). Psychedelics are magnifying-glasses into the psyche. If you are in a weird state/place while taking them, a bad trip can well result.

[fiveleggedrat]

Originally Posted by Panthers007

And just what does this story mean to you? To me it signifies, if it's true, that an unstable young lady - likely overwhelmed by many things - broke many cardinal rules of psychedelics, such as proper set & setting, and this may have added to a nervous breakdown (to be polite). Psychedelics are magnifying-glasses into the psyche. If you are in a weird state/place while taking them, a bad trip can well result.

Absolutely. Don't even need to add anything there, I can only agree.

[dpayne]

Swim has neve rbeen game to venture in lsd for reasons that he believes it might just be that onestep to far and remembers reading some good info at thegooddrugsguide once apon atime.

Here it is tho about lsd n combing with other drugs

LSD is powerful and unpredictable. As a rule, do not mix with other mind-altering drugs, especially if you are inexperienced or far from home.

Please note: there have been very few scientific studies into the effects of combining psychoactive drugs. The information presented here is anecdotal. It is based on the subjective reports of experienced users. Different people will respond differently to different drugs and drug combination. Know your body.

alcohol takes the edge off the effect and can help you to relax; drunkenness disappears during the trip; large amounts increase the nausea; drinking on the comedown is not recommended

amphetamines not really recommended; LSD has a speedy effect

cannabis dulls the experience in the come-up; heightens the peak; brings back the effect during comedown

ecstasy (MDMA) known as 'candy-flipping'; the E good feeling can reduce the chance of a bad trip but pay attention to E's safety requirements

heroin no information available

mushrooms cross tolerance usually present; not much point in taking other psychedelics at the same time

tobacco up to you, no dangers, but you may be more aware of the damage it's doing to your lungs

tranquillisers the police and medical staff are fond of administering Valium and other sedatives to bad trippers; its depressant effects can reduce panic in those experiencing deep anxiety; watch the dose; do not combine with other drugs with depressant qualities: alcohol, GHB, ketamine, heroin.

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	Nice post, could be improved by references for the info provided.
	good effort

[Songcycle67]

speed, weed, and LSD was the holy communion in the 60's. unfortunately by 68 it was mostly speed, speed, and STP.SWIM enjoys using speed in combination with LSD to make the experience more clear...sort of as a way to help his mind keep up with what's happening. He doesn't recommend it in conjunction with LSD for first time users.

SWIM would agree with panthers and fiveleggedrat about the link the OP posted. If SWIY decides to take it, SWIM would reiterate that on standard psychedelic doses (120-200 mics) ego loss won't be so severe that it will interefere with the person's ability to reason. They may be a little weirded out, colors will be brighter, things will seem "strange" and a bit more "orchestrated" than normal; but with eyes open in a proper set and setting even an inexperienced tripper will have a fairly clear thought process--especially if danger should arise. This is why SWIM prefers LSD to mushrooms--for him LSD is much gentler in the way that it distorts thoughts and space/time. In fact on low doses there have been studies done to prove that LSD actually increases mental acuity and clarity. Cricke, and I believe Watson as well, was on a low dose of LSD for concentration when he discovered that DNA was arranged in a double helix.

SWIM says tell the person to dose low and in a safe place/mental state and it definitely won't take them so far out that they can't make rational decisions. Far from it. The first time especially, LSD tends to illicit more of an aww-inspiring elation than anything else. The person will be way too busy grooving on plants and vibrations to worry about much else.

[infekt]

Originally Posted by dpayne

cannabis dulls the experience in the come-up; heightens the peak; brings back the effect during comedown


mushrooms cross tolerance usually present; not much point in taking other psychedelics at the same time

Cannabis: Swim finds that intensifies the come up, add another very psychedelic and relaxing feeling to it. Not dulling it at all, in fact it almost gives a kick start..

Mushrooms: Definitley not for beginners, but mixing mushrooms with acid can make for a VERY interesting and intense experience. Yes, there cross tolerance, but it seems in conjunction with each other they potentiate each other (swim's very subjective view). It is not pointless, and it was well worth the while. If swiy looks around this forum swiy will see that their are many interesting experiences with combining psychedelics.

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Absolutely concurr.

[Songcycle67]

Originally Posted by infekt

Cannabis: Swim finds that intensifies the come up, add another very psychedelic and relaxing feeling to it. Not dulling it at all, in fact it almost gives a kick start..

Mushrooms: Definitley not for beginners, but mixing mushrooms with acid can make for a VERY interesting and intense experience. Yes, there cross tolerance, but it seems in conjunction with each other they potentiate each other (swim's very subjective view). It is not pointless, and it was well worth the while. If swiy looks around this forum swiy will see that their are many interesting experiences with combining psychedelics.

Absolutely agree with both points. The only problem that one would encounter with mixing two substances that bind to the 5-HTP receptors (as mushrooms, mescaline, lsd, and several other psychedelics do) is with upping dose. Because tolerance develops quickly, be it more LSD or Mushrooms or whatever, anything added to an already psychedelicized mind past an hour or two after ingestion of the initial dose could result in decreased performance from the second dose.

If taken all at once, however, it will potentiate the reaction greatly in SWIM's experience.