Drug info - Salvia Tincture Dilemma

[NOINRI]

So Jigglypuff has been absent from these threads for a while now, and this will be his first time posting in the Salvia section being that he has just become interested in it and have done loads of research on it.

Jigglypuff is all set and ready to order a Salvia Tincture, but he may have a dilemma.

Read this:

" On January 10, 2007, Assemblyman John O’Bannon, III (R) introduced House Bill 2844 to the Virginia State Legislature. This bill sought to add salvinorin A to that state’s list of Schedule I controlled substances. The text of the bill only mentioned salvinorin A. Salvia divinorum was not mentioned, but presumably the proposed law could be interpreted to apply to any part of the plant that contains salvinorin A. The bill died in committee.
Assemblyman O’Bannon renewed his efforts the following year. On January 9, 2008, he introduced House Bill 21, which specifically adds both Salvia divinorumm and salvinorin A to Virginia’s list of Schedule I controlled substances. The bill passed in the House (ayes: 98, nays: 0) on January 15, 2008. It passed in the Senate (ayes: 40, nays: 0) on February 18, 2008. It was signed into law by Governor Timothy Kain (D) on March 2, 2008. The new law goes into effect on July 1, 2008."


So as you can see, compared to other State Prohibition Statements, this one is rather lacking on the specific details of it all. Such as it's stance on "possession, selling, planting, aesthetics, age" and all of that funky jazz.


What Jigglypuff wants to know is if a Salvia Tincture applies to any of this and if Jigglpuff is ordering online and having it shipped to him in an ambiguous box with just his name and the senders info. on it, how much of a risk would that be?

Thanks.

[Richi]

Currently, S. divinorum is illegal in the state of Virgina.

First of all, this means that what Jigglypuff is trying to do is illegal.

Second of all, online dealers probably wont ship a substance to an area where that substance is illegal.

Finally, if it is shipped, it may or may not be stopped by customs. At this point, Jigglypuff will be contacted by customs inquiring to the reason he/she attempted to have sent to him/her an illegal substance.

In another thread, someone received a letter saying that if they do not claim their illegal material, it will simply be destroyed. In America, it may happen a different way.

I would suggest Jigglypuff stick to chilling with Mario, Yoshi, and the gang... mushrooms grow freely in that world.

[NOINRI]

Well thanks for your sound advice and for scaring the crap out of poor Jigglypuff. Ha.

Though Jigglypuff has read around and he did read in another thread that in a similar situation, the Tincture form of it didn't apply because the law didn't specify it and it wasn't the actual plant. So yeah, Jigglypuff would only be ordering it if a Tincture was indeed legal. If it's not, I won't be taking my chances.

As for mushrooms. Jigglypuff is ignorant on the subject. Never thought about doing them. No idea how to get them or anything. If this whole Salvia thing falls apart. Jigglypuff may check them out. Hmmm.........

[fiveleggedrat]

My eyes are burning from the red text

Anywho, just asking, why has Swiy chosen tincture?

[NOINRI]

Just think of the color BLUE, then you'll be thankful for RED, because it's better. (^o^ )

But yeah, Jigglypuff decided on Tincture because Jigglypuff is against smoking period and not interested in chewing the leaves (quid), and he does know that that would definitely be illegal anyway. And before Jigglypuff even found out that it was illegal, the tincture just appealed to him because it seemed the easiest way to experience it.

[fiveleggedrat]

At least you have a good answer as to why you chose it

A lot of people report negatives about the tincture. Just sayin'!

Negatives meaning it does not work, is not as good, or just costs too much. But then again, it's a case by case thing.

[salviablue]

SWIY could just vapourise the extract, (salvinorin vapourises at a higher temp than weed). That way no smoking! (but you`ll have to do it somewhere it was legal)! Good luck!

[NOINRI]

Yeah, Jigglypuff has read that it's too expensive (and it definitely can be!) and that for some it didn't work and for others it did. Jigglypuff guesses it all depends on the individual. For some, smoking doesn't work. Some pokemon are just "hardheads" and aren't sensitive to certain methods, if any at all.

I know that Jigglypuff would definitely prefer a slow come up and a lasting experience that a tincture is supposed to produce, rather than a sudden intense experience that knocks you off your feet for 3 seconds. Ha. So yeah.......

And thanks, but Jigglypuff is definitely not interested in the vaporization method. Not to mention, as was said, it's illegal, so it's not an option.

[salviablue]

Hve you looked up or read about DMSO? A few people have had limited joy with this as a salvia delivery method. But SWIY may still have to an do extraction, though maybe if say 100 leaves were made into a dmso/salvia tincture that could be taken sublingually. Or maybe even dmso soaked quid (this is pure speculation and extensive reading may have to be done as to the uses and dangers regarding dmso)?

[Euthanatos93420]

If Swiy doesn't live to far from the border a Vacation may be in order! If swiy considers this then Swim recommends smoking it. Bong & Torch lighter are essential. Any way it goes. Swim doubt Swiy will get much success in getting any vendor to ship any form of the product to Virginia. Still, it's not that difficult to grow and if Swiy plants it next to a handful of other herbs and spices used for cooking it is essentially indistinguishable from any other sage plant by all but the most specifically proficient botanical experts (i.e. your fellow growers). If questioned feign ignorance to Salvia Divornum and show off your herb garden and talk about how much Swiy loves to cook and how much better fresh home grown herbs taste compared to the freeze dried stuff one obtains at the grocery store.

Salvia Divornum really isn't distinguishable from the thousands of varieties of Sage. Without reasonable suspicion (i.e. running swiy's big mouth) the cops cannot confiscate the unidentifiable plant to have it tested. This is the really the main reason salvia is taking so long to see legislation passed. If it weren't so difficult to enforce, it would have been scheduled a long time ago. But big daddy knows it will be impossible to truly regulate. Prohibition will basically just take it off the shelves at head shops.

If Swiy does grow his own then he will have to preform his own extraction. This is an extremely simple process involving Acetone & %99 Isopropanol Alchohol and mere straining of plant matter and evoporation of chemicals. Documentation on the process is plentiful. Just go look for it.