DXM and addiction

[Dexer420]

DXM is a cheap, legal, hard drug. It's kinda like a video game or at least I Found it to be one. 4 different levels. 1st easy, fun relaxing. 2nd a little more vivid and antagonizing. 3rd taking over but some may find it fun . 4th, you're not connected to reality any more.


Never the less it's hard to do with anxiety. It shouldn't be done with MAOis and if you want a cheap buzz every day this drug isn't for you. But if you like experimenting and getting an amazing buzz. Go buy a bottle of cough drops or syrup with 15 mgs of DXM hydrobromideas the only active ingredient.


If you live in Canada like me it's easy to get. f**k when I was doing it 3 or 4 times a week I'd just fill up my boots with lazenges. Go home grind em up throw em in a drink and down er. Or cough medicine. But it's a hard drug. Hardest I've ever taken. My best trips were my first ones. Just like weed. So don't fry out your neurons in one go. Do low doses every so often and you'll have a ball at raves or just chilling playing a game or watching a movie. I'm still fighting the addiction but I'm sure it'll go.

[distilla_truant]

my boyfriend says that he is not addicted to tussin, but he is dosing 2 4oz. bottles 3-4 times a week. i dex every once in a while too, like maybe 3 times a month tho. i dont understand why he is always dexing or why he needs to. i think he is addicted. okay... i know he is addicted because he cant stop doing it. what do you think? why do you think he feels like he always needs to be robotripping and is he addicted like i think he is? hes been doing it for about 4-5months now.</font>

[dxmax]

i think you need to find him some help, and tell him to stop telling himself hes not addicted

[2pacc]

i had the same problem about a month ago. except i was doing coricidon which is worse. everyday for 3 months i was buying a box of this stuff and having mind boggling trips to the point that when i was sober it felt like the world had changed and nothing else mattered but the buzz. even when i smoked weed it would take a whole blunt to even feel anything. Until one time a took some cccs real fast and got so f**ked up that i lost conciosness and woke up with my face in a trash can vomiting. that was it, i never wanted to do this again.But to bo honest i like dex trippin too much too quit 4 good, so for me its an every 6 - 7 month thing. tell your boyfriend he needs to take a break to reality because the higher of a dose he takes daily the harder its going to be to quit. and i dont care what anyone says it is addictive, an entire month of my lifei dont even remember because i was trippin so hard so long.

[pickeljuice]

i went through the same thing i was doing delsym almost everyday for a month or two i wasnt addicted but i just liked it ALOT! but i realized it was fucking up my freindships and my relationship with my family so i only do it 2 or three times a month but tell him all he needs to do is just not do it it is tempting but its easy to not do it

[bcStoner420]

i always feel that i need to be doing it on a night when im just chillen by myself cuz nothins goin on, or even if im just chillen with 1 friend any night im just at home i always have the feeling that i want to do it really bad. luckily for me i got kicked out of 1 of the only 2 stores in my area i can get it from(that i no of). this limits me so i cant go and buy it every day instead like once a week.

[Muirner]

Lately i have been stuck at home and i have been DEX'in quite a bit. I dont think that i will continue hitting the DXM this hard for quite some time because it has taken a toll. Not a bad one dont get me wrong, but today i woke up sick as hell, and this was after ~4-5 nights of tripping for 5+ hours. So tonight will be a night off, hopfully i feel better. and hey maybe i'll take a RoboGel in the reccomended dose to stop my cough.


Muirner

[Dreeker]

Ive battled so called dxm addiction, only addiction i have had relapses with, ive accepted that as long as i can get some, i will always have some, but have limited my dosage SIGNIFICANLTY over 1 year, from 3-5 avg 600 mg doses a week, to 1.... up to a max of 3 over 2 weeks currently @ no more than 400 mg

oh btw over that span, i have lost 90% of my friends, sux, but i my good friends held thru

[RoboCop]

You guys dissapoint me. I used heavily because I like it but as soon as the negatives outweighed the positives I was able to let it go. Although it is and always will be my favorite substance I easily gave it up. I always believed dissociatives to be the least addictive of all substances.(and my favorite) I now look back on my DXM trips as the high point of my drug use.

[kuf66ver]

I found this note stuck in the back of a library book:

I started using DXM about 4 months ago. About 5 years ago a friend got me to take 20 triple c's and I thought it sucked plus I felt sick so I quickly forgot about DXM til I was bored one night and decided to chug a bottle. I got the euphoria and loved everyone and I was hooked. I started taking 300mg every 3-4 days or so for a couple weeks. One day I decided to try a stronger dose and did 600mg while watching a movie with my dad. I had no idea I was going to get so fucked up mentally. I was under the impression that I'd just get a stronger body high than before. I remember trying to talk to my dad but sounded like my mouth was full. I don't think he noticed. I hallucinated and my body felt like it was stretching and rotating and moving around when I was really just sitting still. This is the point in time where my DXM abuse started to get out of control.

I started thinking about getting high everyday, although I only tripped 2-3x a week. I started stealing Robo cough gels everytime I went to a store that had them in order to stock up for my next trip. This went on for about 2 months. I was at school and sharing an apartment with 3 people and didn't want them to know what I was doing so I would dose and trip in the backseat of my car. Every couple of weeks or so I would collect all the empty Robo bottles and throw them away and I was astounded by how many pills I was taking each week, but I still kept doing it. Then one night I was out stealing the gel caps again when I was caught and arrested. Now, I have always been a very "good" person. Never got in trouble, never would have even thought of doing something so stupid as stealing, but I was stealing even when there were cameras or when other people were around. I didn't care, and didn't realize how much it was controlling me until I got arrested. I stopped doing DXM for about a week but craved it so I continued to do it, except I started buying it instead of stealing.

This behavior went on for about 6 weeks until I accidentally almost overdosed on 1.6g. I took my regular dose of 800mg and forgot how much I had taken and the effects weren't as good as I wanted them to be so for some reason I took the rest of my stash which was another 800mg. I got so fucked up and was fucked up for many hours afterward that I thought I would never go back to normal and that I had damaged my brain or something. Luckily, I returned to normal. This is when I realized I had a problem because in the span of 4 months I had gotten into trouble with the law, was stealing out of control, and probably almost killed myself. In 4 short months. It has been about 2 weeks since I last took DXM but let me tell you, I crave it every day. Every night when I have nothing to do I have to literally talk myself out of going out and buying some DXM. It is horrible because I thought it would get easier the longer I went without it, but it is actually becoming harder and harder each day. I know one of these days I am going to lose control and go out and do it again and am scared that this might start a vicious cycle where I start to steal again, get arrested again, and fuck up my bright future, or maybe even overdose and die or cause permanent damage to my body.

I was wondering if anyone else is going through similar issues because I would like to completely quit DXM but do not want to go through a substance abuse program. No one but one close friend truly knows the extent of my use and my parents and most of my other friends have no idea that I do drugs of any kind and I would like to keep it that way if possible. I guess I'm just looking for similar minded people for support.

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	Very good post. Unfortunately it's full of self-incrimination. Re-read the rules please.
	Triple C's are dangerous please read the Wiki

[Abuse]

wow...swim has a story much like yours. Colledge student,started dexxing,dropped out, started stealing DEX, got caught and arrested and here SWIM is now...still stealing it.

This shit won't go away.it come to SWIM in his dreams. Swim feels his insides and he doesn't like it at all. it's like he's full of rocks and broken glass....so SWIM DEXes, the he's himself again

[sandoz1943]

DXM is not physically addictive only mentaly and socialy addictive. Since it's done mainly alone I would venture a guess to say you have developed a mental addiction and if it wasn't DXM it would have been something else.

TRIPLE C"S ARE DANGEROUS! Please read either the Wiki or previous thread about the dangers of triple C's. The active ingredients box on your OTC DXM should list ONLY DXM as the active ingredient. Please do not cause yourself injury and give DXM more bad reputation than it already has.

STEALING makes us all look bad and makes SWIM have to ask the nice lady behind the counter every time she wants to purchase DXM because they have taken it off the shelves because people like you steal it. If I saw someone stealing DXM I would not only turn them in to the store security but I would also give them a good swift kick in the junk. I try not to be violent but I am soo tierd of a few jerks ruining a good thing for the rest off us I think I would follow through.

That being said. Welcome to DF. There are rules and you may want to read them. There are some great people and information (for those who will read it) I'm sure if you can play by the rules you will realy enjoy this site. At least read up on DXM. You sound very young and I would hate to see anyone end up hurting themselves trying to get high. I hope to see you better informed and playing by the rules so maybe you can stick around for a while. Play safe!

[kuf66ver]

SWIM isn't that young, SWIM is 22. And SWIM does not steal it anymore as SWIM has learned from his mistakes. Also, SWIM never lets DXM get in the way of school or work and has maintained an above average GPA and rapport with managers at work. SWIM does not use CCCs anymore, it was his first time and did not even know what DXM was or that you could get high on OTC meds. SWIM used to be veryyyy naive.

[sandoz1943]

I am glad to hear that. My own son turns 22 in two days so 22 still seems young to me. Life is a learning process I am glad to hear you have learned from your previous mistakes.

[Sushi]

Originally Posted by sandoz1943

DXM is not physically addictive only mentaly and socialy addictive. Since it's done mainly alone I would venture a guess to say you have developed a mental addiction and if it wasn't DXM it would have been something else.

Madlab has to concur, more or less.
Swiy model (pattern) of usage is obsessive and compulsive.
Swim means that swiy self-indulgence is quite likely escapist and substitutive. I.e it probably masks some other problem (or problems) and it would be good for swiy to find out what this problem could possibly be. To get to the root of it would probably require more sobriety than tripping though.

This kind of (immoderate) usage's pattern is probably going to repeat so swiy should examine swiyself closely in relation to other psychoactives too, not only to DXM. Maybe things that happened in last few months were the result of finding "swiy drug of choice". But it's more probable that swiy has addictive personality and is susceptible to addiction and spiralling into immoderate usage.

Physical addiction is not something to worry in this case, not only because DXM is not physically addictive. First and foremost that's becuase the most important factor in determining addiction is the loss of control over a drug and this is something purely psychological.

Swiy lost control over DXM usage, no doubt about it.
Some theories are very pessimistic about possibility of regaining control over a drug after it was lost. Some say it might be possible, sometimes for some, but it's very, very hard to do.

Also some drugs are notoriously harder to control than others, especially alcohol, opiates and nicotine. Theoretically DXM is a dissociative psychedelic but -as swiy story proves it- in certain creatures it has highly addictive properties. But it is also chemically closely related to opiates and like opiates it offers a deceptively perfect refuge with it's tussin euphoria and dextro-space. And swiy was behaving just like a plain junkie already: stealing, hiding usage, overdosing...

What swiy should do?
IMHO swiy should start treating DXM like a psychedelic, i.e introduce order and ritual into swiy pattern of usage.
Something like "once a month", if it is not possible to stop altogether or do it even rarer (once-twice a year would be optimal probably).
Possibly looking for professional help to investigate what is the root of addictive traits of swiy personality.
Starting own thread at Recovery & Addiction subforum may turn out beneficial to swiy as there are many helpful, insightful and experienced creatures. And swiy story may turn out to be beneficial to others as - to swim knowledge - there are no threads devoted to addiction to DXM.

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Good insight. Good advice

[kuf66ver]

Swim knows why he started abusing dxm. It was because he was having a tough time with his social life and dxm was a substitute for those many nights alone. If swim could find something else to do during the time he would normally be tripping, and make sure he stayed busy during that time, his abuse would really mellow out, as he only really craves it when he is alone and has nothing better to do.

[Spare Chaynge]

hey an addiction counselor once told swim that dxm abuse is a sign of deeper emotional problems(mental disorders). Swiy might want to get this checked out if it pertains to swiy. A psychiatrist might be able to help swiy with his social problems.


Furthermore, tripping is certainly not going to help you with your social life. It will make social life harder, which will lead to more dxm.

[kuf66ver]

As a Psychology major Swim completely understands what you are saying. Swim has been seeing a counselor which has helped a little bit. It is a truly vicious cycle.

[bigloc]

Back in 06 I had a pretty bad dxm habbit too. I was doing 2 to 2 1/2 boxes of CCC a day for about 6 months. My binge didnt end with me overdosing on dxm, but 4 mg of clonipin and a big bottle of rum. I woke up in the er and then they put me in detox for a week. I do still dex once in a while but i try to keep it to once a month.

[Stradivarius]

Some people are more prone to get addicted to stuff than others.So one shouldn't say "a bunch of my friends aren't addicted so i won't be either".Each is unique both physically and mentally.One should always check his rate of usage: once a week,twice..maybe once a month with the ocasional binges.

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Good point. Family history, genetics, and social factors play into addiction potential.

[romalotti]

From Jan 2005-Nov 2007, Swim was drinking four 4oz. bottles of Robitussin a week. Every night that I had off work the next day, Swim would religiously down 2 bottles. He had just gone through a divorce and changed jobs and didn't have many friends. Robitussin became his loyal friend instead. Even when the trips became more mundane, he still needed the euphoric high and feelings of warmth that DXM provided. Swim was sure he would never stop, even though he knew of the health risks (Swim was drinking the Robitussin that contained pseudoephedrine -- he had started out with this combo without knowing the health risks & was subsequently unable to get off on DXM alone.)

When pseudoephedrine became an OTC that you had to sign for at the pharmacy counter, Swim's use tapered off. It had become a chore to get the PSE pills, and he never felt quite as good as when it was all combined in the liquid form. He still takes a DXM + PSE trip once a month or so, but doesn't think he would've ever stopped his 4 bottles a week dosing if it hadn't become so difficult to obtain. He still wants to do it more often, but doesn't think about it nearly as much as he did when he first stopped (about 2 years ago).

In the time since he stopped the regular DXM use, he has developed a weed habit which is more expensive but definitely safer. In his experience, DXM is an extremely difficult habit to break, especially since addiction usually affects the 'loner' type. His advice is to be really careful, if you're dosing more than twice a month for a year or so, you probably have an addiction. Dosing once a week and you're headed where he was at.

*--As I am writing this, Swim tells me that it is making him want to trip out on DXM right now. But he'll probably just smoke and sleep instead.

[Big Bovice]

Swim has been a heavy dexer for years at only age 21. Swim has a 4 bottle of Zicam a day habit. Swim is a drugstore cowboy. The only days that Swim doesn't dex is when he's cleaned out all the local stores. Sometimes swim burns out and stops for a few weeks, only to randomly start up again the second he gets bored around the house. The question is, how badly is swim doing a number on his body? Swim usually dexes 4 days a week until stored re-up. 16-20 bottles of Zicam a week.

Big Bovice added 2 Minutes and 3 Seconds later...

Whoops.
stored = stores

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There's another active addiction thread. Join it instead of creating a new one.

[wespawloski]

God help you sir, god help you :/

Why Zicam and not robos? I really preferred the liqui-gels over any other.

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17894

[Big Bovice]

I started with Triple C's, then went to Robo gels. I can't take them anymore. I'll swallow 4 bottles, 80 gels, and half an hour later they come flying out of my ass in liquid form. It takes about 2500 mg of dex to do the job for me, by the way. I know that's a lot to the normal user, but keep in mind I've been dexing for about 5 years and I'm also a big guy.

[wespawloski]

read that thread I posted... please.

Also, "Dex" usually refers to "dextroamphetamine" :P

wespawloski added 3 Minutes and 5 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by Big Bovice

I started with Triple C's, then went to Robo gels. I can't take them anymore. I'll swallow 4 bottles, 80 gels, and half an hour later they come flying out of my ass in liquid form. It takes about 2500 mg of dex to do the job for me, by the way. I know that's a lot to the normal user, but keep in mind I've been dexing for about 5 years and I'm also a big guy.

Did you think it was acceptable for a substance to "Fly out your ass"? :/