Effects - MDMA and Pills - The Difference

[CorteX]

Hi, this is my first post/thread on this forum

I know this may sound rather strange, but SWIM tried both and noticed several differences.

Because SWIM is a cautious man, he always tests his chemicals before use.
He tested 2 pills from the same batch with a spread of 128-135mg MDMA and also tested a gram of MDMA crystals at the local test centre at 84% purity.
No other compounds were found.

SWIM decided to take a roll at a rave and found himself being really euphoric and energetic, everything seemed to be just right.
There was extreme jaw tension and he couldn't sleep until 11AM.
Conclusion: a GREAT night

Six months later SWIM got a gram of MDMA crystals and decided to try that at a rave.
He carefully weighed down the substance and took 160mg (because the MDMA was 84% pure) which should equal the same dose.

50 minutes after ingestion it finally kicked in.
But not like pills kick in, it was like a bomb exploding inside of him.
He became a bit panicky, couldn't sit still and finally he settled down and tried to enjoy the effects.

Instead of being really energetic, he got in a very slow state of mind similar to being really stoned.
He did not feel euphoric at all, and there was no jaw tension.
He decided to increase the dosage with another 100mg to see if that would have any effect.
But instead of getting the nice MDMA effects he should get, he was hallucinating.
Everyone he looked at seemed to have big, black, cartoony sunglasses on.

SWIM went home because it pretty much sucked, and had no trouble at all to get to sleep.
The MDMA-experience lasted for two hours, while his pills lasted for up to 4 hours.

This was six months after he took pills, and he had not taking any other MD-substance in the meantime.

I wish mr. Shulgin could explain this, too bad he's gone.

So, anyone have a clue what's going on?

[chillinwill]

I know really good MDMA can cause one to feel panicky and high doses of MDMA might have some minor visuals and such but it might have been MDA....not exactly sure just giving my 2 cents worth but I'm sure others will know

[PingoTango]

It's worth bearing in mind that the pills more than likely contained a bit of speed along with the MDMA - MDMA taken on it's own can be a lot less speedy and a lot more "mongy" than the other amphetamines...

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[fiveleggedrat]

Well, he did say he was testing everything involved.

Let me ask this: How certain are you of your testing methods?

Were any other drugs consumed? Any abnormalities with your body at the time?

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good questions

[iMarijuana]

For me pure molly aka Pure MDMA is very much like rolling off of xtc pills minus the geeked up energetic feeling.

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[RaverHippie]

So how was the MDMA content of the pills determined, I've never seen a pill test have that information available.

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[CorteX]

Originally Posted by RaverHippie

So how was the MDMA content of the pills determined, I've never seen a pill test have that information available.

according to my source, SWIM tests his stuff at a local test centre in the netherlands.
you can test any compound here

[KomodoMK]

Originally Posted by RaverHippie

So how was the MDMA content of the pills determined, I've never seen a pill test have that information available.

That's because places like ecstasydata and not allowed by law to release the exact chemical make up of pills they test. They are only allowed to give a ratio of one substance to another.

I'm assuming the pills were swallowed, was the MDMA ingested the same way? If not then that could be the cause. If so, then maybe the MDMA was absorbed at a much faster rate. Some people actually crush their pills finely and wrap them in rizla to swallow. It allows for a faster onset and slightly more intense peak.

Really there is so many variables here that it's only going to lead to a lot of speculation.

[chrisn]

Puff has only tried pure mdma and not pills, so he doesn't have a comparison, but the pure mdma actually felt more sedating overall than stimulating. Well suited for a relaxing night at home with some friends, but maybe if he was at a club he would have felt differently.

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[tatt]

personally SWIM has never found MDMA crystals sedating; as mentioned above generally pills can be adulterated with amphetamines which contribute to a speedier feeling and coming up a bit quicker.

also be careful that SWIY is getting MDMA and not MDA which in SWIM's experience tends to be alot tripper and less energetic

[Pseudo-leipä]

I don't understand why most people assume powdered MDMA is purer. Surely it's even easier to cut powdered MDMA with shit than it is to cut a pill with adulterants? Last time SWIM did powdered MDMA, he just got a very pleasant warm feeling and slight lifting of mood, followed by fairly intense agitation and paranoia. This, to SWIM, is evidence that there's no reason to think that powdered MDMA is purer.

[Aar0n]

Originally Posted by Pseudo-leipä

I don't understand why most people assume powdered MDMA is purer. Surely it's even easier to cut powdered MDMA with shit than it is to cut a pill with adulterants? Last time SWIM did powdered MDMA, he just got a very pleasant warm feeling and slight lifting of mood, followed by fairly intense agitation and paranoia. This, to SWIM, is evidence that there's no reason to think that powdered MDMA is purer.

Because pills are cut from production, usually. The only advantage is that they can't be cut at each dealer down the supply line, unlike powders or whatever.

The difference with MDMA is that you should be able to see it's in crystal form, as opposed to powder. If it is powder, then you ought to find a better source (SWIM was led to believe that the UK has a great deal of decent MDMA going about). SWIM has bought whole gram rocks at a time, and obviously it's much harder cutting crystalline powder or big rocks, which is why the powdered stuff usually isn't as good.

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[dpayne]

Originally Posted by Aar0n

Because pills are cut from production, usually. The only advantage is that they can't be cut at each dealer down the supply line, unlike powders or whatever.

The difference with MDMA is that you should be able to see it's in crystal form, as opposed to powder. If it is powder, then you ought to find a better source (SWIM was led to believe that the UK has a great deal of decent MDMA going about). SWIM has bought whole gram rocks at a time, and obviously it's much harder cutting crystalline powder or big rocks, which is why the powdered stuff usually isn't as good.

Everything can be cut and fool the naked eye.....
Ultimetally the safety in powder is that if swim knows his ratios of amount of X in mgs usually in pills strong enough to get him rolling then works out how much of a said substance of powderd mdma it takes to get him rolling. Compares the total cost of rolling and should find out he can roll twice as much for half the price if lucky in theory. Sorry to mention price but its relavance to the quoted comments is highly relavant. If swim can roll twice as much for the same price then probably still cut etc but still winning.

[Pseudo-leipä]

Sorry, I erroneously used the word powder. The MDMA in question was definitely more crystaline than powdery.

[Lettish]

This interests Swim, as on Friday he will be using MDMA for the first time in a nightclub environment (has done this more than several times with pills though).

Has anyone else experienced what was described in the first post with MDMA? Does it not give the energetic uplifting feeling like pills (good pills, for arguments sake)? Does it therefore mean that pills (gauranteed that they are good) are the better option to go with if Swiy wants to go clubbing? Is MDMA better for those sessions where Swiy is not wanting to dance all night long?

On the flipside - has anyone got the energetic uplifting feelings from MDMA, and been able to go clubbing for hours?

Swim is undecided whether to use pills or MDMA on Friday...

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[piuiher]

guys I think (because of experience) that the overall tendency of a session to be either sedating or energetic depends on the setting you are in, unless the pills involeved contained adulterants like amphetamine.

A pill with 100mg of MDMA woul dbe the same as a 100mg pure MDMA. The settings made the change

[dpayne]

Originally Posted by piuiher

guys I think (because of experience) that the overall tendency of a session to be either sedating or energetic depends on the setting you are in, unless the pills involeved contained adulterants like amphetamine.

A pill with 100mg of MDMA woul dbe the same as a 100mg pure MDMA. The settings made the change

Thats not whats being debated, of coarse what you say is correct you need to look at it from a different angle. 100mg of mdma is 100mg of mdma regardless if its still powder or pressed, slightly different experiances may be had tho depending on administration ie break down of a pill, time release as apossed to railing or smoking md.... Whats being debated is the PURITY or mdma content of the product an end user recieves for cost of each hit.

Or to break it down into an example.

All Purchases Equal 1 hit or session as you put it

Pure MDMA 100mg hit = 100mg MDMA
50% Cut Pure MDMA 100mg hit = 50mg MDMA

One Pill containing god knows...... = about 200mg of xxxxx

100mg MDMA and 100mg Caffeine
100mg mdma and 100mg MethAmp
or
the above pills have been importeted somewhere cut 1:1 and repressed
50mg MDMA and 50mg Caffeine and 100mg binders/fillers.
50mg MDMA and 50mg MethAmp

It really depends on a users experiance, habbits, carefactor and effort to sourcing quality products and then deffining what is quality.
90% of the time random pills are going to be more enjoyable than pure crystals of substance xy or z unless the user is some sort of wizard producing cocktails in swiD experiance.

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