Drug info - HELP! I need to escape....

[Jamesthebluewolf]

This is a story my friend told me. All is hypothetical...(yeah, right)

"For 4 years now my dad has been mentally and emotionally abusive toward me, my sister, and me mom. My sister moved out this year because of it, and now lives 4000 miles away. I cant leave, I cant make my dad stop being abusive, and the worst part is, he wont admit hes wrong, when every single person I know agrees that he is abusive. Calling child services is not an option, neither is walking out. don't ask why. What I need to know is what I should use to GET AWAY FROM IT ALL!! I need something that will last all day, or else something that will kick in QUICK and last for maybe 30 minutes. Don't give me that garbage that 'drugs aren't the answer', because I already know that. I just need something to work for the next 6 months. It would be nice if it was something that wont test + on a drug test, but doesn't have to be. It CANNOT be something that will test + after a week of not using it, as I am joining the Army in May...don't comment on that either. Please help, you have no idea how bad this is."

Jamesthebluewolf added 1 Minutes and 29 Seconds later...

P.S. It would be nice if it wasn't something really addictive. Obviously heroin, opium, etc is out of the question. SWIM just needs a dissociative.

[Nemba]

That's why SWIM uses so much tobacco and MJ. But if you need something that won't test positive for as long after you stop as weed, your best bet is probably to alternate between a few things, because anything that will calm you down when something is seriously wrong is going to be strongly addictive. Benzos are probably going to be the most useful, SWIY should look up some info on phenazepam. If SWIY lives somewhere they can obtain nitrous, it'll take your mind off it for about 30 seconds, but I don't see dissociatives helping you in this situation. Carefully spread apart alternating between benzos, opiates (codeine is probably best if you're worried about addiction), if SWIY can get it, ghb is excellent, and of course good old drowning your problems in alcohol. (Of course, be careful never to mix any of these things together, except maybe having one drink if a relatively low dose of something isn't doing enough)

[fiveleggedrat]

a Diss is not the way to go.

Either do like Swim and have a drug rotation (changing types often to keep tolerance and addiction from happening) or add pot.

Swim allows himself unlimited pot for self treatment. Using strong drugs only tricks the brain into associating strong drugs with depression/dealing with problems. You'll be stuck on using drugs to deal for the rest of your life if you do that. At least being stuck on pot isn't too bad.

[geezaman]

SWIM thinks SWIY is being very unrealistic if they believe drugs will help them in any way. If SWIY is looking for a drug that will act as a distraction from their life, or a drug that will numb them from what they have to deal with, It will be obvious that they are not sober.

Many drugs (especially those effecting mood and emotion and those that may cause hallucinations or distort reality) if taken when in a bad head space or bad situation will only make the situituation worse.
If however SWIY is looking for something to take for a few hours a day to give a short lived rest or peace from the rest of life this may be different.

SWIM is pretty sure there must be free confidential counseling services via phone or in person available in the USA and that these would be of much greater benefit to SWIY.
Many people find talking to someone in an open way, or even writing very beneficial, unloading and unburdening is alot better than drugs.
Peace
SWIM honestly hopes your situation improves
Geezaman

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	useful info and broad info too.
	Good information and advice

[Nemba]

Originally Posted by geezaman

SWIM thinks SWIY is being very unrealistic if they believe drugs will help them in any way, If SWIY is looking for a drug that will act as a distraction from their life or a drug that will numb them from what they have to deal with It will be obvious that they are not sober. Many drugs especially those effecting mood and emotion or those that may cause hallucinations or distort reality if taken when in a bad head space or bad situ will only make the situ worse.
If SWIY is looking for something to take for a few hours a day to give a short lived rest or peace from the rest of life this may be different. SWIM is pretty sure there must be free confidential counseling services via phone or in person available in the USA and that these would be of much greater benefit to SWIM.
Many people find talking to someone in an open way, or even writing very beneficial, unloading and unburdening is alot better than drugs.
Peace
SWIM honestly hopes your situ improves
Geezaman

Of course that's better, but if he's convinced drugs are what he wants, at least it's within a limited timeframe, which makes it somewhat easier to tell yourself not to keep going, after you have left the source of your grief.

One thing to think about, Mr. OP, is that the effects of that might stay with you for a bit, and it might be harder than you think not to keep using, when you don't get tested regularly. Be careful man.

[cra$h]

Tripping's probably not the best route. If you got money, get coke. But painkillers are a great way to let loose. Or drink.

[El Calico Loco]

I wonder why his father suddenly become abusive four years ago.

Swim's been there. Tell your friend to keep his head down and his chin up; things can get better. If he's determined to use drugs to escape, DXM is cheap and available, but intoxication is fairly obvious. Benzos like valium and xanax might help, if he can get them, but they are addictive. If his father is a bully, he could probably tell the Doc that he is having anxiety without lying.


ECL

[Jamesthebluewolf]

Originally Posted by El Calico Loco

I wonder why his father suddenly become abusive four years ago.

Swim's been there. Tell your friend to keep his head down and his chin up; things can get better. If he's determined to use drugs to escape, DXM is cheap and available, but intoxication is fairly obvious. Benzos like valium and xanax might help, if he can get them, but they are addictive. If his father is a bully, he could probably tell the Doc that he is having anxiety without lying.


ECL

How would my friend obtain said prescription? Does he just walk into a pharmacy and tell the doc there that hes having stress, or does he need to go to a proper doctor?

[El Calico Loco]

Depends on where he lives, but he would probably have to get a script from a doctor or psychiatrist. Unless he has a friend in India.


ECL

[enhancion01]

swim sugjests xanax you wont remember/care whats going on

[N0ly]

This is not the best way to deal with it. Try meditation look into Buddhism and Hinduism, tell your friend to try his best to find the inner peace that is already there. But if he insists on drugs anti anxiety meds such as xanax would be his best bet. gets you nice and happy without looking trashed. well to a certain point.

[fiveleggedrat]

Originally Posted by enhancion01

swim sugjests xanax you wont remember/care whats going on

No. See, the problem here is using drugs to cope with a serious, mental health affecting problem does nothing but temporarily make one numb to it. It does not make the problem go away, and only opens a stressed person to the possibility of addiction.

This is how bad addictions begin: Escapism.

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Good Advice, let's hope it's listened to.

[El Calico Loco]

I agree in principle...but there are times when Swims are in a bad situation with no easy way out except time. In such cases, a little escapism is not necessarily a bad thing. It's only a problem when one stops looking for an escape from the real problem(s) because taking the drug is so much easier. One has to be aware of what one is doing.


ECL

[fiveleggedrat]

Absolutely. Swim smokes his pot to get away from his problems a little. But Swim thinks using say, DXM, K, or Heroin, for example, much riskier. The heroin plays with the mesolimbic pathway, getting one stuck on physical addiction and a broken rewards system. DXM and K are more problematic because of the strong psychological component. Swim can't imagine binging on DXM. Being in the K-hole all the time is not the best idea either. I guess the same all goes for being blacked-out on things like benzos.

Swim knows the drugs help him with his problems, but he is noticing that as time passes, he seems to be developing quite a crutch with having to use a drug almost every single day. Obviously different drugs, but still. Even using pot every day and especially those who are stoned all day can have negative effects playing on one's mental health and current issues.

Last thing one wants to do is everytime something bad happens, you shoot up some H or do a like of coke.

A little escapism is fine. It's when one is trying to escape daily, or worse, several times daily.

[El Calico Loco]

Escaping too often can make one unable to escape / destress naturally when one is unable to get drugs. This is a terrible thing. There is a huge difference, in his mind, between (1) using a drug to relieve a situation one can't escape and (2) using a drug to simplify a situation one should. There is that danger that one will always run to the one thing that has always made one feel better.

But it's still your life to live or waste as you see fit...and weed probably less harmful, long-term, than most antidepressants.

DXM is a little different. He loves it, but doesn't recommend it as a lifestyle unless one fancies being the crazy cat lady down the street.


ECL

[beefybeef87]

smoke meth

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	bad idea
	not helpful and a useless one liner post
	very informative and helpfull post i think not
	you had the balls to say it
	Two word unsupported answer that doesn't help in any way
	Meth is the worst thing he could use right now, addictive and life ruining.

[chillinwill]

Originally Posted by beefybeef87

smoke meth

ummm okay do you mind explaining what you mean?

[Herbal Healer 019]

Ummmmm Im pretty sure smoking meth would do nothing but make SWIyou's problems much worse in addition to becoming addicted, eventually physically unattractive, and probably mentally unstable...Not that SWIyou would even take the suggestion of smoking meth to escape SWIyou's problems seriously, but this is def. not the answer 4 obvious reasons

[witchychick]

Originally Posted by geezaman

SWIM thinks SWIY is being very unrealistic if they believe drugs will help them in any way, If SWIY is looking for a drug that will act as a distraction from their life or a drug that will numb them from what they have to deal with It will be obvious that they are not sober. Many drugs especially those effecting mood and emotion or those that may cause hallucinations or distort reality if taken when in a bad head space or bad situ will only make the situ worse.
If SWIY is looking for something to take for a few hours a day to give a short lived rest or peace from the rest of life this may be different. SWIM is pretty sure there must be free confidential counseling services via phone or in person available in the USA and that these would be of much greater benefit to SWIM.
Many people find talking to someone in an open way, or even writing very beneficial, unloading and unburdening is alot better than drugs.
Peace
SWIM honestly hopes your situ improves
Geezaman

i am with geezaman on this. a bad drug reaction would make things even worse so be careful. i am a big believer in counselling but you have to find the right one, many are a waste of time. that shouldn't out you off trying tho.

if you get really desperate please call the samaritans or equivalent agency or you could go here:

http://www.suicideforum.com/

there is also a drugs section on there and that is a very supportive forum for anyone struggling emotionally, very non judgemental

IF you decide to use, please research the drug first as a newbie

[dyingtomorrow]

SWIM has been using drugs to escape since he was 9-10 and had no problems with it.

Pot SWIM thinks is probably the best bet because of how harmless it is. That's what got SWIM through 4th - 12th grade. Next is ecstasy, but you can't do it too many times close together. For your situation, probably the best bet aside from pot would be xanax/valium as recommended on this thread. Be careful tho because an addiction to that is nasty. Heroin is the best escape / anti-depressant there is, but only "cost effective" if you really hate your life and can't stand being alive.

[psykonaut]

You need a dissociative?..lol. Exactly how will a drug that just destroys your mind instead of expanding it help you in any situation you're facing? There's no reason to mess with those types of stupid drugs.

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[VitaminK22]

ignore psykonaut, he obviously doesnt know what hes talking about. If swiy is looking for a drug that takes him away from reality, swim would say ketamine, its safe (if it doesnt have impurities) and fun. However, swim thinks it wouldnt be fun if swiy takes it on his own as his trip would just be about his own life and how his life got so bad. If swiy takes it with friends it will make him feel like hes part of something and hes exploring a new world with a group of friends, it will give him a new outlook on life.
Ketamine is sniffed or injected, sniffing 1 line of pure ket will last about an hour with after effects (feeling lazy, weak and spaced out) lasting about 3 hours. Swim doesnt know how ket will show up on drug tests. Watch yourself though, ket can be addictive if u start to get used to its reality changing effects - You may like the alternative reality that ket provides so much that you might never want to go back to normality, thus thinking its ok to take ket every day for months.

Swim thinks that mind altering drugs amplify your mood, so if you're in a bad mood, you wont enjoy the experience, but being in a good mood gives great experiences. Also, experiencing something like ketamine will probably change the way you look at the world and may make you change your mind about joining the army.

This post is based mostly on personal experience with ketamine in high doses, swim doesnt take ket in low doses.

[chillinwill]

Originally Posted by VitaminK22

ignore psykonaut, he obviously doesnt know what hes talking about. If swiy is looking for a drug that takes him away from reality, swim would say ketamine, its safe (without impurities) and fun.

It can have impurities if someone buys the Ketamine as a powder (or even for that matter a liquid) off someone instead of getting it straight through the vial. If someone buys it as a powder or its a liquid, it can be mixed or cut with god knows what

[RedBaron]

keep switchin off between alcohol and weed. But if you get anxeity fromblazing then i wouldnt reccomend it. Swim used to be in a similar situation and what i'd reccomend to you is getting a hobby man. That could be alot better than drugs and is a natural release.
Hope things work out for you

[VitaminK22]

Originally Posted by chillinwill

It can have impurities if someone buys the Ketamine as a powder (or even for that matter a liquid) off someone instead of getting it straight through the vial. If someone buys it as a powder or its a liquid, it can be mixed or cut with god knows what

I think you misunderstood me, i meant without impurities, its safe but with impurities it can b dangerous.
Also if you buy a sealed bottle you can almost be sure its pure ketamine

changed my above post to stop future confusion