Future of drugs

[Funkameleon5]

Originally Posted by korky8097

I
believe with the advent of acid, we discovered new ways to think
and it has to do with piecing together new thoughts of mind. Why
is it that people are so afraid of it ? What is it about it that
scares people so deeply ? Because they are afraid that there is
more to reality than they have ever confronted. That there are doors
that they are afraid to go in and they don't want us to go in there
either because if we go in, there we might learn something that
they don't know. And that makes us a little out of their control"</font></font>

This quote is by Ken Keasey (one of the Marry Pranksters and author of
One Flew Over The Kukoo's Nest) and can be heard in the song LSD by
Hallucinogen (not a Shpoongle track, but close Hallucinogen and Shpoongle
are two of many titles that Simon Posford has released music under). A
video clip of Ken Keasey saying this quote can be found in the
documntary LSD: The Beyond Within (I think... it's either that or
Hoffman's Potion, I don't remember for sure right now).



Now... on to the real point. I agree very much that we are on the brink of the next meaningful</span>
social revolution... a real change in the way the masses think. I think
it would be interesting, useful, and helpful to have a section in this
forum, or at least a sticky thread for the topic of "Furthering the
Revolution" were we can discuss our thoughts and ideas on how to peacefully</span> change the perspectives of the ignorant and uninformed. Use our collective intelligences to find and spread the REAL</span>
truth and makes a collection of its sources... the documentaries, the

audio recordings, the websites, the books, the essays, the
orginizations etc. Like was said above, the revolution starts with us,
so lets go ahead and start it and carry it on the rest of the populace.

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Edited by: Funkameleon5

[motorhead]

I hate to be pessimistic on this one but i dont think any meaningful social revolution will take place. I had hopes maybe ten years ago, but as a culture we as seriously getting bogged down in... well crap. Look at the entertainment and arts. Television is a pool of crap, dominated by reality tv and shitty sitcoms with rare flashs of intelligent humor-the simpsons, family guy-that are actually striking satirical stabs at the errosion of modern culture. Music??? i cant remember the last time i bought a cd let alone found one that i could let play all the way through and enjoyed all the songs. The odd good movie comes around but rarely good enough to shell out the kinda loot it takes to go nowadays. Literature-as much as i like to read i dont know many people who do outside magazines or whatnot.


And what about the economical, socialogical and political situations? The age of uber capitalism is here. Society is becoming defined by the economical system that we adopted. Nothing escapes being defined by its material worth it seems. And politics, wtf is politics. I live in canada and around here when voting time comes the general feeling i get is"gee theyre all the same so it doesnt really mater who i vote for"


Man i could write essays about this and im cutting this short. donno if what i wrote even makes sense, but as for revolution. It aint gonna happen. Society will keep eating the mainstream media/crap tv/music/movies until forever. Whos gonna unite the masses against this overwhelming wave of cultural apathy? And for the future of drugs. Well when some day the US government finally figures out the current war on drugs is sensless then i see them maybe using drugs to their advantage. Anyone read "Brave New World" by aldous huxley? Shit theyve probably already honed cloning to a fine T and found some real Soma to feed us instead of the false sense of well being they spread on CNN.

[Funkameleon5]

We all know that society is fucked up motorhead... the point is we
should all try to do what we can to make a difference... alieve the
apathy and ignorance and help un-fuck socitey. The question is how do
we do it. Yea it's hard to start a movemet but, even just trying can
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[sands of time]

I agree with what you are saing motorhead. Everything has gone downhill since the 60's. That was the last time in America that people came together to revolt against something they did not agree with (Vietnam war). Even those revolts were tame, and they had no general guidence, goals, leaders, ect. Basicly, law enforcement has gotten way to good at keeping people afraid. When people are more afraid than angery, they will not revolt... simple.

Most people don't have a problem with the way things are because they don't know any other life. To be honest, as long as planes aren't flying into buildings, Americans will be content. I have preached this before, we pay a price for living in developed countries with nice luxeries, cars to drive to work, ect, and that is our general freedoms. One of those freedoms is the freedom to consume what we want.

I don't see any great psycodelic movements taking root in America anytime soon. The soil is not fertile and the seeds have not even been planted. In order for this sort of a revolution to occur, a great deal of planning must go on, and before this scale of planning even gains and audiance, the government will have squashed it. Revolutions of any kind pose a direct threat to the government, and they will be destroyed without remorse. You can exercise your political freedom all you want, but watch whose paths you cross.

[anj0vis]

New psychoactive chemicals make it more and more difficult for authorities to keep up the strict prohibition tactics as it is going to eat more and more funds to do it. So, eventually, some countries are going to realize (actually this has happened already, netherlands, switzerland, etc) it is simply economical to loosen some of the regulations and save lots of money. There propably won't be a total revolution, but step by step liberation of the non-harmful psychoactives _may_ see the daylight within a few decades.

Would be a good idea to make a thread about "how to progress culture". My simple answer is: talk to people, give out facts and be a "good citizen", i.e. pay your taxes, respect other laws (than drug prohibition) and simply be otherwise a normal law-abiding human being. If you have more courage, make some effort to provide psychedelics into your local community to people that have real interest in them (never push anything to anyone, it will do more harm than good). Grow weed, grow mushrooms, take some risk and buy good chemicals from China, India or elsewhere.

Liberation will happen..

[enquirewithin]

The main problem at the moment is America, who forces the rest of the
world to follow an irrational war on drugs, because vested interests
profit from that 'war.'

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by Chaote

What do you think the future of drugs will be? will some drugs be easier to get? legality? use?

Short term future or long term future? Which country?

The USA: In the short term, the "war on drugs" will escalate to the point of insanity. When the insanity becomes crystal clear (which will take a long time and a lot of societal pain), the "war" will be declared lost and most stuff will be decriminalized. "Soft" drugs like marijuana may be legalized. All this will be followed by an immediate, rather dramatic decrease in both drug use and the drug trade. Crime rates will drop. Numerous prisons will stand empty and unused. The government will lose a lot of money, but will adapt and find other ways to make it (maybe a "war on weapons?" "War on gasoline?").Edited by: Nicaine

[motorhead]

I agree with u funkameleon, I think we should all try. I was writing a fairly deep post, hurtin my head, but i didnt have a chance to reread it or really finish it, i was in a rush. I do have a pessimistic veiw of it all now tho i suppose. Ive considered starting political movements actually, but i eventually each time i talked myself out of it. How to crack the mainstream? But it seems once u become mainstream then your fucked. Or it seems to me that they are good at making anyone who strays to far from the centre of the political spectrum look like radicals. I donno, i dont have any answers i just like to bitch alot sometimes lol.

[anj0vis]

Sun Tzu said that to beat your enemy, you must understand your enemy. If you try to see what is the biggest problem of "drug image" is that people really don't know anything about them (not facts at least). They don't know any drug users that have use in control, since all these people don't want to get exposed to public pressure. Changing this is the thing that changes the public opinion, but how to do it.. I stated the most reasonable way in my earlier comment.

[Diego]

I have a dream ... I dream of founding a new town, where people can be really free, free of thinking and opinion, and they will not be ashame of their acts and thoughts. A place of peace and progress.


People will not restrain because of ignorance in religion, in moraland inpolitics.


Arts, freedom, independence, science, philosophy, amusement, research, knowledge, education, peace, justice, will flourish.


Drugs will be a part of this new development.


I will propose to call this town, The New Amsterdam.


Comming from a country where drugbussines and related things are illegal but very common, I would like to see this part of the society legal and upgraded. Drugs are seen as violent, low class, low education issues, but consumers in this contry and many others are well educated people, concerned of the society. From the years of experience as a responsible consumer of entheogens, I have seen more good (vast majority)than bad, I have seen persons becoming better persons than "less than zero" persons. I see responsible people experiencing during their free time and being a normal part of the society afterwards.


Drugs are risky, violent, dangerous because ignorance made them illegal. Whenever somebody try a drug and discovers it isn´t bad, this person sees a contradiction, and disagrees with the current law. The law pushes them to the dangerous area.


Why should this be illegal?


Isn´t this situation of illegality of drugs like the discrimination of people regarding their race, gender or sexual orientation?


Don´t all these come from ignorance?


I don´t see a clear near future for the drugs in Mexico. We are too close to the USA. If drugs become legal in Mexico ... what will happen with people looking for drugs crossing the border to Mexico and back to the USA? The USA goverment would seal the border.


Mexico has a very bad reputation about drugs, not very fair. I think our mexican society would be more liberal regarding the drug issue than the USA society. But the USA goverment has big influence on us, and we are not really free to decide.


Whatis theGerman goverment opinion about the legal use of some drugs in the Nederlands? Do they have control on the drug-tourist phenomenom?


The use of drugs in Mexico is been around for quite some time, before the spaniards came. The current world is different and more complex, but there are many clubs where you can freely (although illegal) consume drugs in a responsible way. I feel happy we have these places, more like the coffe shops in Amsterdam. Nobody bothers you, they are safe and nice places, you meet a lot of people (all kinds), with the the same way of thinking.


I think the future of drugs is illegality, but many groups out of control doing drugs. The "drug of the future" will be electrical induced change in consciousness, which will be impossible to control.

[dr ACE]

the sooner drugs are made legal the better things will become, and ppl will just learn to chill out more which would be really peacefull

[Diphenhydramine]

It's very interesting that a lot of people are mentioning an overwhelming feeling that something big will happen soon.



This is true. And what I'm about to say is very long, so sorry, but I feel that it is very important.



I just watched a documentary on gasoline consumption in the US and the
suburbs ("The End of Suburbia"). I highly recommend it.
Most geologists and experts in the field of gasoline consumption
predict a climax in gasoline production right now. That means
right now, in a world average, is the most gasoline we will ever
produce. 60% of the world's gasoline comes from the "Middle
East." It is predicted that by 2020, we will have reached
overcomsumption. We will no longer be able to meet demands for
gasoline.



This is serious. This entails not that it will be harder to get places, but other serious consequences:

-Hydrogen cars will not be possible, because the only cheap source of hydrogen is derived from gasoline

-Majority of power will be unavailabe because (at least in the US) the
majority of our power is gasoline-derived. And we have no
alternate backup plan. Most people oppose nuclear power, and it
is impossible to replace with solar or wind.

-Trde will break down because there will be no transportation, either
by plane, train, or ship. And in the US (where almost all
commerce is trucked), we will experience a depression like never before.

-Everything will become immensely more expensive.

-The middle class will be erased.



These are only the obvious predictions. The hope is that we will
learn to live locally, in villages or cities, be more recyclable and
responsible. The reason that I mention all this is that this WILL
HAPPEN IN OUR LIFETIME. I'm not trying to pessimistic, or a
doomsdayer. Most people do not know this. Please look this
up, spread the word. Conserve gas. Support each
other. Revolution might just occur in 70-80 years. People
will become fed up with a unresponsible government. So, yes,
perhaps we will "relive the 60's."

[Turricaine]

I agree that more needs to be done to oppose the "illicit" actions of police against drugs usage. Often they only serve to make matters worse and actual revel in the knowledge of this. Surely they are the enemy.

[FryDay]

As with everything the waves of the cosmos effect us more than our eyes can see. Sometimes we gain a glimpse of this through different types of "mystical" experiences, and the truth seems to slip through the wall that has been built in front of us and show us what is really happening. I believe that veil is being broken more and more, and the wave is coming to a crescent. We will see a change, but we cant think that we dont have to do anything to see it. Keep believing that the change will come about, research, create, and be. Make sure that the dirt doesnt contain us.

[soapiswierd]

its a beautiful concept but youre going to have to change a culture not
just laws. i hope the drug revolution has better luck than the
communist revolution.

[sands of time]

I just thought of something. I think the future of drugs is in products like explosion. These products, for a short while, can be sold without attracting to much negative attention. Pihkal is filled with info on stuff that can be produced and sold in products like Explosion. The possibilities are really endless.

[daeron]

Ive watched this thread for a while and i would like to comment to the every single post,but that would make my post too long for comfort.But here is my view of things,sorry for the lenght:


Have you guys ever read the book Neuromanser by William Gibson?The story is placed in a not so far future,where large corporations have the actual power,where there are huge underground drug markets,where ordinary people are brainwashed by the media,where pop stars are gods,and people will even submit themselves to plastic surgery to look like them.....


does this sound familiar?What im trying to say that the change,the revolution has passed,and it wasnt good.its not the question of drug legality or of politics!its the question of the way we percieve the world.PEOPLE DONT THINK.


thats all,they have stopped to think at all,or they have become blinded by the obvious.How many people do you guys see in clubs who pop pills without thinking,or just smoke MJ,or just drink alc in bars,or just gobble ordinary cofee,or just smoke crack in a crackhouse,or just shoot up heroin,etc...or just take psychodelics and go around like leary and talk about spirituality,or whatever.


and all of them/us fail to see the real picture!everything is taken for granted.every thing from drugs to wars.our soma is ignorance.ignorance is easier,its more believable than the truth.


That "revolution" used our worst weakness-our need for comfort,our hedonism.The more luxury we have the less freedom we own,and this is a pat position from now on.Oh yes there are a lot of us that think,but we have to pretend we are "normal",to asimillate in order to have our idea of social comfort.


What will linger in a mind of a mind of an average working drone?That mdma inhibits the serotonin reuptake or that it drills holes in yer brain?And how many people do drugs,not knowing shit about them?or even this question how many people know that the current culture is complete crap but they still endulge in it,at least to be socially accepted?


if the drug revolution ever comes it will have to expose the raw truth or our society,and it is not pretty,and most of the people will close their eyes before the truth.The real question is not when will this revolution come but how long will this society of ours survive?


PS we had in the begining of the 90ties 2 possible revolutions,2 possible new perceptions:the grunge movement which drowned itself in nihillism and heroin and the house/techno/elecro/trance movement which drowned itself in mdma(and thus diminished its possible influence as the new lsd)and became too commercial.anybody remember P.L.U.R.?


PSS the petro corporations own all the patents to alternative energy sources,and H2 powered vehicles are a reality,there are a few H2 busses touring around the Neds,as we speek/write

[unico_walker]

Originally Posted by anj0vis

Sun Tzu said that to beat your enemy, you must
understand your enemy. If you try to see what is the biggest problem of
"drug image" is that people really don't know anything about them (not
facts at least). They don't know any drug users that have use in
control, since all these people don't want to get exposed to public
pressure. Changing this is the thing that changes the public opinion,
but how to do it.. I stated the most reasonable way in my earlier
comment.

You can talk some peoples ear off, you can show them evidence, you can lead by example, and it just don't mean shit.

They are hopelessly indoctrinated, even drug users are indoctrinated into feeling a guilt over it!

Additionally in some areas the realization that drug prohibition is
futile and use is pervasive has only had the illogical effect of more
"public" ill will and even more draconian laws instead of acceptance.



This has led to a great deal of users frowning on public involvement or
education, they think we should just stay hidden and underground!



Honestly the situation is untenable and now has corporations with
unimaginable wealth invested in criminalization like pharmaceutical and
prison industries.



It sounds horrible but honesly I think the only thing that will heal
this world is a plague or world nuclear war, maybe the survivors will
not make the same mistakes but don't count on it.

[anj0vis]

I disagree partly. Even though it is true, that there are lots of people that have carved their opinions into stone, there are also lots of good, rational (or not-so-stubborn) individuals that understand reasonable arguments and can also change their opinions if they see clear reasons behind it. I am optimistic in the long run (in 50 years from now).

[urbanwarrior]

If drugs become legal and a revolution takes place, who will have the control? Already in Canada where weed is legal to smoke with written government consent, they are forcing people into evaluation in whether they are sick enough. They are told where to buy it and the price charged is astronomical. The government will not just make these things legal and then let the population go wild. they will control it. Has anyone here read Aldous Huxley's, Brave New World? I suggest you do.


Believe me I would like to see a reform and change like the mid sixties and seventies, but that was a rebellion. That was masses of people gathering to make a point. We could do the same thing but the chances of being faced with violence and jail sentences is much higher.


There are to many people out there that can not handle drugs. I have seen people tweak out on acid and then never smoke another spliff in their life. Drugs are a appropriate for healthy and often intelligent minds. In about twenty years the leading cause of death will be depression. If anything the government will be acting to cure depression at enormous rates just to keep the population happy.


For now REMEMBER YOUR HISTORY it is our back bone of society. Stay strong, be safe. Encourage safe drug use with friends and maybe one day I will be proved completely wrong. I hope so.

[jaguarangel]

Charles Grob became a doctor and got his goal of doing legitimate research
using psychedelics on patients. Ric Doblin got his phd also to gain
credibility in this society and has made great strides in MDMA studies using
post traumatic stress syndrome patients to work with. If you want to make a
difference, get the degrees and use the system to get what you want. These
two men were told they would never accomplish what they have succeeded
in.

[urbanwarrior]

If you want to make a
difference, get the degrees and use the system to get what you want.





this is very true jaguarangel

[oldman]

in reference to jaguarangel's post, you have a point but isn/t it ironic that a schedule 1 substance is now being used to treat military personel. the government won't help fund research on these chem's but they'll allow the info through when it's to their benefit, like drugs that may make a super soldier or drugs of interragation. Read in Pihkal about when the gov. wanted old man shulgin (he wasn't old at the time) to work for them making drugs but demanded complete secrecey of any of his findings. They only wanted psychedelic drugs that would benefit the military purpose. Fuck all with recreation and therapy benefits. I guess that's what they madeVA hospitals.

[Diphenhydramine]

What schedule 1 substance? I'm curious.

[oldman]

MDMA -- to the traumatized soldiers having difficulty coping with aspects of the war in Iraq, (in therapy sessions)which I'll remind everyone is the tool fleecing the lining of the other half that rules us -- the Texas Oil Barrons. (the first is the drug companies of course). This is no B.S. , I kid you not.