Future of drugs

[Chaote]

What do you think the future of drugs will be? will some drugs be easier to get? legality? use? I for one hope acid becomes easier to get, or more dealers start having a wider aray of merchandise cause im tired of these punks who carry a quarter (if that) of weed around and say "oh i can get you what ever you want" the hell they can hard enough to find a reliable mush dealer. Whats this world coming to when you can't find some descent reliable acid
HAHA laugh it off brotha

[Hyperreal]

I've thought a lot about this, and I'm convinced they'll be legalized soon. The war on drugs is based on misinformation, and with new technologies like the Internet, it's a lot easier to get the truth out there. So people are going to realize that drugs aren't actually all that bad for you. The war on drugs is simply too illogical and hypocritical to survive and I reckonit'll eventually just collapse under the weight of its own contradictions.


Furthermore, there will be new drugs in the future, safer, more beautiful and mellower than anything that exists today, and it will be impossible to convince people that these drugs are bad, because it's just so untrue that there's nothing to base an argument on. Like the way you won't find anyone putting forward any sort of argument against mescaline, because there is noargument.


As science and medicine advance, it's going to be possible to escape all the ugly consequences of drugs we hear about. They've already discovered a gene that would allow brain cells to reproduce, which would make drug-related brain damage a thing of the past. In the future, people will pretty much be able to abuse their bodies as much as they want and get away with it.


The law and conventional morality won't be able to hold back the advance of drugs any more than they'll be able to hold back the science of genetics. Transhumanism (i.e. becoming more than human through technology, cybernetics, genetics, medicine or whatever) is going to have an inconceivable impact on humman development. And when transhumanism is everywhere, people can't be stoppped from taking drugs. Can you imagine a world where you can give yourself a pair of wings, but you can't take a little MDMA?


Society is expanding and will continue to expand on the pleasure principle. Look at the pace of development and growth of entertainment, DVDs, computer games, interactive TV, adventure holidays, action games like paintball etc. People are looking for novel pleasures at a rate never before seen. This trend will turn to drugs when everyone realizes that there's nothing dangerous about them.

I for one hope acid becomes easier to get

I think acid will indeed get a lot easier to get very soon, like within a year. In fact, I'm beginning to hear more and more about acid going around Canada. Good luck with that.

[Inferno13]

I like the way that sounds Hyperreal...I just hope that the rest of the
US starts to see it like that...it's sad to think that people have
lived in the dark so long and have yet to realize that all the US has
been doing with the War on Drugs is cost the government billions of
dollars. For god's sake, they even discontinued the DARE program
because use actually increased. No one can deny the truth behind
drugs no matter how you try to look at it. And think about
it...how many times has pot killed people and how many times have guns
killed people? And guns are sold in stores and gun shows for
christ's sake (a little off but you get the idea). I would love
for there to be pot shows...lol wishful thinking I know but I think
that the US is due for anther awakening like the 60s and 70s. At
least that's my optimistic belief...hopefully not too optimistic.
Maybe a period of enlightenment and movement like the 60s and 70s is
too far out of reach.

[mariecurie]

A friend of mine related to me that at MIT there is a lot of talk about
"bringing back the '60s." I think in this terrible time the idea of
bringing back such a wonderful time is very uplifting.



I have talked to many people about drugs like acid and gotten responses
like "that shit fucks you up man," "you do that shit?!?! that means
you're legally insane," and "acid stays in your spinal cord forever!!!"
I think that the stubbornness with which people refuse good information
is troubling.



The government makes it sound like marijuana is going to corrupt your
soul and then kill you, but we all know this isn't true. Somewhere
around 50% of the nation has tried smoking marijuana and so that
enormous percentage of the nation knows the government is lying. Pot
WILL hinder your ability to convert short term memory to long term
memory, but it won't do nearly any of the other effects they claim
about it. In fact, I've never read any educational or government
information that spoke about the memory damage pot causes, I just
always see vague claims about it being a "gateway drug." No mention
anywhere, of course, about how most people drink or smoke cigarettes
BEFORE smoking weed, so these are the real gateway drugs.



Mushrooms inarguably cause less problems than alcohol, pot, cigarettes,
or guns, so it's impossible to argue logically with people who create
laws illogically.

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[Chaote]

I am in the mood for an ENTHEOGENIC RENAISAUNCE, And that which was said about acid availibility gives me great hope because i feel that LSD greatly embodies the late 60's and all the great music that came from it, like I am finding it harder to listen to Zep, Sabbath, Beatles etc as of late because of all there music stands for and how our society is so against it, I am tired of anti drug lobiest embracing the counter culture so openly. And I don't really care how bad something is for me because were all gonna die right? And ive found XTC to be so beneficial like the first time i did it I awoke the next day and I was like "ive changed" and I have such a positive outlook now, and acid has made me think more philosophically. one more thing directed at Hyperreal "why do we need wings when we can already fly?" woooooooooooooooooooo

[mariecurie]

A lot of people I know through separate circles of friends have brought
up lately how they can feel that "something is about to happen in the
world." Whether we want to call it an entheogenic renaissance, the
psychedelic second wave, the hallucinogenic holocaust (just kidding ), etc...it IS coming and I can't wait.



We just need to rally together because no one man can do it alone.



The revolution will not proceed through normal mechanisms.

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[Hyperreal]

Originally Posted by Chaote

one more thing directed at Hyperreal "why do we need wings when we can already fly?" woooooooooooooooooooo

Very nice. I guess I walked into that one.

Originally Posted by mariecurie

I can't wait.

Then don't. These movements are the result of people (just a few people, maybe a dozen or so in the whole world) who take it upon themselves to advance their 'thing'. It's a question of courage and action.

[korky8097]

yes, the only way for any of these things to happen is hindering on
us. Us members of these boards, us drug enthosiasts(sp?), us safe
drug users. Its up to us to get this misinformation about drugs
out, to to replace it with real information, to change the peoples
minds. This has already started with things like erowid, boards
like this, and the internet in general. People are starting to
come around and see the truth. Every time you tell the person
saying "acid makes you legally insain" the real facts in a respectable
manor, you are making that day we all wait for that much closer.
Every time you help a person out with doseage help to prevent them from
overdoseing makes that day closer. It will all happen, but we
choose when it does.

[mariecurie]

The people in my living environment have started to consume sacrament
as a group of ~forty people every few months. Dosages are
reasonable...they typically fall around twenty milligrams of 2C-I.



I think that to introduce so many people into a new way of realizing
the world is incredibly powerful. Who can possibly forget the first
time they suffered ego loss or realized that one day they are going to
die!



DMT for the masses!

[scrappy]

I've wanted to try acid for around a year now but it is never around anymore. Sure, back in the day when D.A.R.E. and the goverment influenced my drug perspective I was offered LSD and not so politely declined...such is life.

[billyloner]

Originally Posted by mariecurie

A lot of people I know through separate circles of friends have brought up lately how they can feel that "something is about to happen in the world."

strangely enough, me and one of my mates have discussed this in the not so distant past. part of me does believe it, we as a race are strong enough to break free. but the other part of me sees the level of intolerance, prejudice and hatred that still exists (and in fact appears to be growing in my country...) and i begin to doubt it.


one thing i am sure of though is that for a permanent change to occur, we will need a revolution of sorts. a sudden, non-violent change in the way society works.


maybe if we spiked half the worlds drinking water with mdma?

[korky8097]

America is, for lack of a better example, like a twig right now.
The american people as a whole are bent almost as far as it can
go. With the patriot act, our constitution being threatened, and
of course the war. Sooner or later, bush is inevitably going to
make a new law or do something that the american people strongly
disagree with. When this happens, not only the drug users and law
breakers big or small, but the average law abiding citizens and the
majority of the population WILL do something about it once bush snaps
the twig. The drug culture cannot change america alone, bush sees
us as trash and thinks nothing of what we say. But when the vast
majority of the population steps in, something is going to
change. Its just a matter of how far bush is going to push the
limits. I know the american people will step up when they are
threatened. I mean if you were backed into a corner, most of us
would come out swinging. The drug culture needs to get the
population on our side no matter what, that means we have to be safe
and informed. If nobody ever ODed or died from a drug, or
developed bodily damage, do you really think people will think so
harshly of it? I know we cant stop these things from happening,
but we all need to keep ourselves within our limits, know our body, and
be safe. I challenge everyone here to help at least one person
out with their drug use, like help them decide their dosage, tell them
the facts and dangers, see what medication they are on, and show them a
good time without them going and doing something stupid. Be a
trip sitter and watch over someone perhaps. Most drug users get
all their info from dealers or unreliable sources, but if we give them
the real facts then we have done good. Give everyone that does
drugs the site erowid.com. If yall have some extra cash donate it
to erowid or NORML or something. Sorry for the long post, i guess
i kinda got carried away. I just have strong opinions on this.

[P!MPJU!C3]

Future of drugs in open minded countries is positive. There is light at the end of the tunnel. In America u need a menthality change before ur gona need a change in the laws on Narcotics. I can tell u, America aint even close to it.

P!MPJU!C3

[Symi81]

First of all, let me appoligize in advance for my lousy spelling skills.

This is a real interesting discussion. I agree with some of the above statements about the internet helping people learn the truth. Information on drugs is become more readily available, so I would predict that drug use will increase and overdoses and other problems associated with drugs will decrease. However, one problem with this is that there are a lot of people who dont want to take the time to research anything, they just want the buzz or high. It's up to us to make sure our friends who dont research know what they are doing.

As for the discussion about there being a fundamental shift in our societys attitude, I do not see that happening any time soon. Frankly, I think our generation (I was born in 1981) is pretty lame. Look at how many people are concerned with the latest cloths, or watch MTV, or other crap on TV, and listen to crappy pop music. Our generation is not involved enough with important issues. The future of the world and our country is at stake here! I think our generation (and country) is complacent, narrow minded, and shallow. I think this may lead to the downfall of the USA as the world's leading "superpower".

Look at the so called "war on terror". Anybody who knows anything knows the Iraq war was a giant farce, and was executed because of lies and poor intellegence. IMHO, too many Americans dont care about this. For the love of god, soon more Americans will have died in Iraq than died on 9/11. Meanwhile, we continue to log our last remaining old-growth forests, dam our rivers, kill our fish, drive dirty gas-burning cars, continure to love guns, continue to hate cannabis, elect evangelical "Christians" as our leaders, and make fun of peace-loving countries like Canada, Sweeden, and Norway.

[P!MPJU!C3]

Originally Posted by Symi81

First of all, let me appoligize in advance for my lousy spelling skills.

Which,what where? Where is the lousy spelling?

Originally Posted by Symi81

As for the discussion about there being a fundamental shift in our societys attitude, I do not see that happening any time soon. Frankly, I think our generation (I was born in 1981) is pretty lame. Look at how many people are concerned with the latest cloths, or watch MTV, or other crap on TV, and listen to crappy pop music. Our generation is not involved enough with important issues. The future of the world and our country is at stake here! I think our generation (and country) is complacent, narrow minded, and shallow. I think this may lead to the downfall of the USA as the world's leading "superpower".

I'm afraid i can partially agree with u on that. The magority is unknowing and sees at is cool to be that. But dont forget there r also many people like u(and me 4 that matter) that look upon this

Originally Posted by Symi81

...soon more Americans will have died in Iraq than died on 9/11. Meanwhile, we continue to log our last remaining old-growth forests, dam our rivers, kill our fish, drive dirty gas-burning cars, continure to love guns, continue to hate cannabis, elect evangelical "Christians" as our leaders, and make fun of peace-loving countries like Canada, Sweeden, and Norway.

with discust.

P!MPJU!C3

[korky8097]

its not gonna happen if we keep getting clones of george bush in
office. I still dont understand how he got elected, i mean almost
anyone i talk to dislikes him. Once those old war vets pass away
and all those conservatives that are stubbern and narrow minded are
gone, we are left with us, and younger people. I doubt anything
will happen in our prime which sucks ass, but i know when we are the
elders people look to for advise, we will at least speak the truth, so
then maybe their generation can have more freedom. Bush isnt
gonna bend for shit, especially from us whacked out druggies as he sees
us. A quote from a shpongle song has some explination, i think it
was from leary or something correct me if im wrong. I believe its
true of all drugs.



I
believe with the advent of acid, we discovered new ways to think
and it has to do with piecing together new thoughts of mind. Why
is it that people are so afraid of it ? What is it about it that
scares people so deeply ? Because they are afraid that there is
more to reality than they have ever confronted. That there are doors
that they are afraid to go in and they don't want us to go in there
either because if we go in, there we might learn something that
they don't know. And that makes us a little out of their control"





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[sp12]

That's really odd. Lately, all of my discussions with my brother that get
big have lead to "something is happening soon."

Something big, and fresh. Our culture has been stagnated since the 80s,
with no new ideas. Perhaps as a response to the neo-con movement?
Perhaps a rising of the "new breed" discussed on tfyqa.org? 30 million
instilled with the New Breed mindset would change America forever.

[The_Great_Sage]

Ifind myself in that situation, somethings gonna happen, and i really
feel rightnow that. ANTICAPATION IS A BITCH OF AN EMOTION. i realy have
been waiting for something that i can jump in the crowd of, but i do
relize that someone will have to make the intial move. So there are
millions of people waiting to jump in. I wishi knew what to do to start
itor had enough resources to do so.

[msumegi]

The war on drugs in the USA and around the world (to a lesser degree) is not going to stop with anything less than total revolution. The blackmarket drug industry is too profitible and reaches too far into the upper society to ever be turned over to the common public or the puppet governments for legal use. The private prisions (in the USA) that house mostly drug related criminals are too profitible to be empied, and the wepons manufacturers are makeing too much money supplying both the law enforcment and thedrug dealersto ever have a truce made through legalization. The police, for reasons of self-preservation,are also dead set against it because it would severly thin down their numbers by making many officers unneccessary.


I think the future of drugs is more synthisized chemicals created quicker than governments can schedule them and distrubition on a world wide scale via the internet. Other than that I'm afraid that things will be the same old same old.Edited by: msumegi

[Solidly-here]

What's the future of drugs (in Canada)?


In the political world, I see leaders of countries falling all over themselves, trying to be the MOST against all drugs. The say it with one voice: "The only reason that their country isn't doing better is because of drugs." It's just like during World War II ... Hitler said: "All of our country's problems are because of those Jews."


Well, the Jewish people (in Germany, Poland, ...) helped their ecomonies. In like manner, Marijuana, LSD (and the many other psychedelics) help the minds and spirits of many people.


With that said, whew! Today, the future of Marijuana is looking much brighter. In Canada, they have a new, exciting Prescription Drug: Marijuana! So, it's legal (finally).


Mother England herself is just months from legalizing this Spray Marijuana, too. This is progress. A lot of legal things move along in baby steps (take the Car Seat for babies, for instance). So, the way I see it, over the next few years, several other countries are going to legalize Marijuana. Along with its legalization, doctors will start reporting to their medical societies how powerful a medicine this substance is.


One thing about this life: Some things will happen, which I could not have believed possiblebefore. The only reason LSD was il-legalized was because Art Linkletter's daughter jumped out of a window while on it; Art (pissed off, and looking for revenge) toured the country, telling everyone he could: "This LSD is awful ... let's make it illegal." Because he was a Media celebrity, a lot of (the right) people listened to him. One person ruins things for millions of other people (but that is the weird way in which many things happen).

[grecian]

Originally Posted by korky8097

I
believe with the advent of acid, we discovered new ways to think
and it has to do with piecing together new thoughts of mind. Why
is it that people are so afraid of it ? What is it about it that
scares people so deeply ? Because they are afraid that there is
more to reality than they have ever confronted. That there are doors
that they are afraid to go in and they don't want us to go in there
either because if we go in, there we might learn something that
they don't know. And that makes us a little out of their control"





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have u ever read Plato's simile of the cave. its all about how
people can be afraid of discovering the truth or reality. personally i
think that people are in some sort of neo-reality comfort zone, willing
to believe all that they are told about government, music, beauty and
consumer products.

i believe that deep down people aware of the contradictions
between thier "moral" beliefs (religious or otherwise) and the way in
which they conduct themselves. however, i think for most people the
mass media and consumerism that exists today means that their minds are
too controlled to think independantly. cuz lets face it they all go
vote for bush at the election

[korky8097]

no i havent read it but it sounds interesting, i shal go by my library soon and see if they have it. Thanks for the tip

[Unsolved]

A friend told that this was in Time magazine. If I can dig up the article on the net I will. But basically big tobaco has already thought and expects weed to be become legel sooner or later. They have already starting forming plans on advertising/marketing/making weed cigerates. They expect if they don't and are not prepared there ciggerates sales will fall dramatically.

[sands of time]

Unsolved, there was a rumor that Phillip Morris go a patent for weed cigarettes. I think the rumor was disproved however.

[Turricaine]

Originally Posted by Hyperreal

Furthermore, there will be new drugs in the future, safer, more beautiful and mellower than anything that exists today, and it will be impossible to convince people that these drugs are bad, because it's just so untrue that there's nothing to base an argument on.