Combinations - piperazines with meph?

[Waste]

SWIM is looking into mixing some piperazines with Mephedrone quite soon.

i'm thinking either;

140mg meph + 100mg MeOPP
140mg meph + 100mg TFMPP
100mg meph + 100mg MeOPP + 40mg TFMPP

putting them into gelcaps so cant really go above 240mg, keeping the doses low-ish, as its easier to just take 3 small doses than 1 huge one.

thoughts on these mixes? i'm trying to keep all ingrediants fairly legal, just to save hassle

[KomodoMK]

Interesting concept, my little fishy was never a fan of piperazines, didn't like the body load and the euphoria/mental mind state was a shadow of what it is on MDMA.

However, little fishy tried mephedrone last night, small doses as was testing for any adverse reactions... really enjoyed it.

Would really be interested in hearing SWIY experience with the combination.

[Waste]

indeed, sounds like it could potentialy be a nice mix

I cant decide whether to go TFMPP or MeOPP though, Meo is supposed to be nice and relaxing, whereas TFMPP acts on seritonin, so should be much more euphoric.

decisions decisions heh

[KomodoMK]

Little fishy thinks go for the full MMCAT, TMFPP, MeOPP experience. However it might be safer to test it with each alone before the full combination. Leaving a week or so in between tries.

Depends how comfortable SWIY is with trying the full combo?

[Waste]

yea i was thinking that myself, 40mg TFMPP is a nice sized dose, and would only make 80mg if double dropped, seems quite reasonable.

My only worry is that 100mg mephy isnt really much, would just have to hope that the TFMPP picked it up a bit, and the MeOPP gave a nice edge to it

still, double dropping would be 200mg meph, 200mg Meo and 80mg TFMPP, which sounds like a rather nice mix hehe

*edit*

and just out of interest, how much powder can normaly fit in size 000 gelcaps, i've been told 240 as a maximum?

[KomodoMK]

Yeah it does. SWIY could always top up with a little meph intranasally if it isn't intense enough? Double drop sounds good but maybe wait until SWIY is up just to be on the safe side, as I don't think there is much information available about the combanation.

[Waste]

well these would be put in gelcaps and taken out, after SWIM had a bad experience with carrying loose powders a while ago, he tries not to these days

So topping up through snorting isnt really an option, unless its to take the powder out the caps and have a wee line of that heh.

Still, i think the meph, meopp and tfmpp mix will go down quite nicely, unless anyone has any ideas for a better ratio of these?

[KomodoMK]

Little fishy is off out to experiment a little more with MMCAT and his best friend now and he is dragging me along with him to document the experience. So let me know how it goes!

Cya soon.

[Lehendakari]

Stick to low doses.

TFMPP+Meph don't seem a good idea to me. I have no knowledge of MEOPP

[Richard_smoker]

yeah, i know it's probably not going to change swiy's mind about going thru with the experiment, but it doesn't really sound like a good idea...the piperazines that you mention are essentially good for making one feel not much more than speeded up mixed with feeling like shit--followed by an undeserved hangover where you'll continue to feel like shit for the next 24 hrs. not to mention the fact that your messing around with dangerous combos, and potentially lethal interactions...i would say to do one or the other...either piperazines (if you like feeling like shit), or meph (if you like being MANIC followed by around a week or so of mild depression, ok so maybe that's only if you do meph for 2-3 days nonstop).

no matter which choice swiy takes, (meph+pipes; meph alone; pipes alone), it would be smart to stick with the low-ends of recommended doses...there's no need for "flooring" yourself with an initially large & dangerous dose, especially with meph, since it doesn't last very long.

My advice: throw away the piperazines, and spread the meph out into 50-100mg caps. take your time, and redose every 2 hours or so....if swiy had never tried meph alone, then he would be very stupid to try it in COMBO with anything. it's quite powerful enough all by itself. -DICK

[Waste]

hmm, this is the problem with piperazines, some people say they give quite a nice high, infact i've heard MeOPP described as "the nicest, cleanest of all the piperazines".

Admitedly I havnt heard much about TFMPP, but what I have heard has said it's very mild, only useful for mixing, likewise with MeOPP.

Althouh you do raise a very good point, if someone could point out any obviouse dangers of mixing pipes with meph, as in the actual chemistry that shows it being quite risky, it would be greatly apreciated.

I think it's definately something that needs experimenting with, it will take some time to get the ratios right, but it does have a lot of potential

[readeadamie]

SWIM wanted to try this too but was put off by the fact that mixing BZP/TFMPP + MDMA often results in seizures, overheating, serotonin syndrome and death. Mephedrone, methylone, and butylone are so similar in effects and structure to the MDxx's that SWIM would worry that if you combined them with piperazines the same thing would happen. SWIM's not sure if it's dangerous to combine all piperazines with MDMA/MDMC or just BZP/TFMPP.

[bob_arctor]

readeadamie: can you point to some sources on that piperazines (which ones? all?) often result in death & serotonin syndrome? SWIM knows that piperazines like mcpp compared to other drugs can lead to seizures, but haven't seen much data on the other ones. Does this research come primarily from australia and new zeeland (thinking about the large party pill industry that operated with piperazines until recently)

[Mona Lisa]

It's about what SWIY wants from the experience. There are pros and cons to pips vs. mephedrone in that while mephedrone is rushier and more hedonistic and horny, piperazines offer more music appreciation with a longer peak and also a trippier element that mephedrone lacks.

SWIM has combined pips with spirits which are essentially mephedrone without any trouble but would advise on lowish doses of each.

SWIM would go for perhaps 200 mg of MEOPP first with perhaps 40mg of TFMPP for a bit of added trippiness and euphoria. The MEOPP should offer SWIY a happier mood, slightly more energy and a subtle sense of sparkle. It will negate the pleasant randiness/eroticism of mephedrone but lenghten the peak of the high. Possible combos: doing the pips followed by the meph 90 minutes later or the reverse so that SWIY could enjoy the initial rush of the meow followed by the longer lasting euphora offered by the pips...

Horses for courses and all that.

[akack2]

Originally Posted by Waste

hmm, this is the problem with piperazines, some people say they give quite a nice high, infact i've heard MeOPP described as "the nicest, cleanest of all the piperazines".

Admitedly I havnt heard much about TFMPP, but what I have heard has said it's very mild, only useful for mixing, likewise with MeOPP.

Althouh you do raise a very good point, if someone could point out any obviouse dangers of mixing pipes with meph, as in the actual chemistry that shows it being quite risky, it would be greatly apreciated.

I think it's definately something that needs experimenting with, it will take some time to get the ratios right, but it does have a lot of potential

meOPP is excellent but will feel like nothing compared to Mephedrone tbh.