DMT and 5-meo-DMT

[QGdoxl]

What is the difference? other than one is from a plant and the
other is a chem. do thy have the same effects? How about
compared to salvia?

[rosstifer]

Ive never done DMT, but i can say 5meo is MUCH more pleasent
buzz than salvia. A little bit of the crazyness is there when its
smoked, but its a much better body buzz and overall happy feeling,
instead of an uncomfortable mindfuck like salvia.

[mariecurie]

DMT is better than 5-MeO-DMT and both are a million times better than
salvia. I have a personal bias against salvia because whenever I smoke
it I spend millions of years being tortured by zillions of people who
all look lthe same, but it is still widely accepted that salvia is not
a "useful" drug in the insightful sense.



DMT is like 5-MeO-DMT with a lot more visuals, a tolerable body buzz, and more insight. Both can be VERY freaky,

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[QGdoxl]

thanks that explains a bit. as for both of them can be very freaky so can salvia!

[Eirias]

Each person will have their own preferences for one or the
other. The "experience reports" on Erowid provide a rather good
idea of the spectrum of effects of n,n-DMT and 5-MeO-DMT. To
compare them briefly, one could say that DMT is more fluid, VERY
visual/colourful, and can sometimes induce "entity contact"; whereas
5-MeO is electric/kundalini-esque, blinding white-lightning, euphoric/"rushy"
to the point of overstimulation/"orgasms", non-colourful (white and gold
mostly) and more "energy-like", and doesn't induce entity contact but
does sometimes create a sense of a onerous, god-like, cosmic "other"
that is the Mother of All Consciousness. If you were to compare
them, DMT is more like a very high dose of mushrooms, and 5-MeO
is more like a plus-three ketamine trip. Both are intense and
rewarding, and deserve your respect.

Also, even though most of the n,n-DMT you will encounter is
extracted from Mimosa, and the 5-MeO-DMT is made synthetically, they
are both found in nature in both plants and animals, and both can be
made synthetically in the lab as well.

Remember, some people "love" Salvia and dislike DMT, some are
quite fond of 5-MeO and rather dislike Salvia, some appreciate all
three for different reasons, etc., etc. Each one has different
effects/qualities, and the given individual using the substance as well
as his/her "set-and-setting" in which the substance is consumed can
have as much (if not more) influence on the subjective experience that
person has as does the specific effect(s) of the particular substance
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Edited by: Eirias

[QGdoxl]

oh yes I understand that substances affect people in different ways,
you can never tell someone that a drug will feel "exactly like this"
but your summery was the best I've heard so far!



I don't so much as like the trip off salvia but am more interested in
the effects. I don't do it for recreation but for exploring the
substance and what it does to me.



from your sum up it sounds to me like I may perfer DMT to 5meo and
possibly even salvia. Who knows maybee one day swim will aquire
some and swim and swimgf may just try it.

[Eirias]

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Suffice it to say, DMT does produce some of the most awe-inspiring
visual effects of any psychedelic substance. Many, many different
colours, shades, hues, tones and overtones, intensities, geometrical
patterns, etc., all in incredible detail.

Also, to better understand the "entity contact" phenomenon
associated specifically with n,n-DMT, I would highly recommend reading
Gracie & Zarkov's "DMT-- How and Why to Get Off"; "Apparent
Communication With Discarnate Entities Induced By DiMethylTryptamine
(DMT)" by Peter Meyer (I believe he's the author, but it might be
Thomas Lyttle); and any of the various writings on the subject by
Terence McKenna such as "Tryptamine Hallucinogens &
Consciousness". All of these can be found online, and I believe
that Erowid's DMT vault has links to them all as well.


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Edited by: Eirias

[QGdoxl]

oh cool I love when the books are online and free!

[mariecurie]

Eirias, your descriptions were very accurate and enlightening. I never
thought to describe 5-MeO that way before, but it's definitely correct.
Never broken all the way through on DMT, but I look forward to it.



I particularly am thankful for your parallels of DMT to mushrooms and
5-MeO to ketamine because I have never done ketamine or broken through
on DMT, so I have a much better perspective now

[Eirias]

Thanks, but keep in mind that they are all still unique
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[QGdoxl]

swim has done Ketemine a few times but never more than a "+" maybee hit the "++" just touched it



but ketemine scares swim for some reason. He likes small doses
just bumps to just feel it. Never been in a k hole the closest
thing was the fist time. He snorted a line and was totally
suprised by the power and intensity swim went to bed for an hour and
then returned to his friends.