Drug info - I want to know what I'm on.

[Atomic440]

Hey; I'm really worried. I got spiked last night and I thought it must have been ecstasy but it's been 15 hours since I got spiked and I'm still on the drugs. I'm feeling a terrible come-down. Here some of what I'm experiencing:
fear, anxiety, loneliness, depression, loss of appetite, vomiting, constipation, I was hallucinating a lot visually earlier on about 6-7 hours into it, I can't sleep, I feel very agitated, very cold. All the effects have worsened as time goes on and being on the drug has lessened but is still prominently there (my pupils are VERY big still).
I really want to talk to someone about this but I can't bring myself to talk or even look at anyone in my house. They think I'm just sick from a hangover but this is a lot worse. I was drinking a lot last night too and also I hadn't ate all that much on Friday evening and nothing at all on Saturday if that may contribute to why I'm feeling like this.

All I want to know is what I'm on and how long is it going to take until the drug effects wear off? It definitely wasn't ecstasy or at least not ecstasy alone. I don't care about a horrible comedown on its own but not while still being on the drug.

[fiveleggedrat]

Go to a hospital.

Really. Similar happened to Swim.

If you are like Swim and refuse to go, at least have people around you to take care of you. Friends or family you can trust with that you did X pills. Keep a phone nearby incase things get worse to call 911 too.

Do you have feelings like alcohol intoxication or low dose DXM, perhaps?

You could have OD'ed on unknown substances.

How is your temperature? Stay hydrated.

fiveleggedrat added 0 Minutes and 56 Seconds later...

We can't be sure what you are on, there is no way to know for sure.

Keep us updated. Swim will do all he can to help ya.

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good advice

[Mint boi]

I would agree with fiveleggedrat, can't hurt to go to hospital. You might be able to get them to do a drug test to find out what it was you were spiked with.

I've never understood the mentality of spiking someone. Fools!

[Atomic440]

I really, really do not want to go to the hospital. I couldn't actually bring myself to do it. I don't see how I could have overdosed after 17 hours? Or can it still last that long?

[fiveleggedrat]

There are some long acting substances that could still be in effect. Also, some substances take a while to kick in. Sounds like you got a "mixed" pill, as in, more than one thing in it. Sorry to hear, really.

Here, let Swim give you the "Oh fuck I OD'ed on an amphetamine type product and want to sober up recipe!"

A good amount of citric acid + water helps push such out of the body quicker. No pure citric acid? Use lemon juice, or whatever acidic type fruit juice you have around. None of that? Vitamin C works great, even in a multivitamin. Hopefully you have one of those. If not, let us know.

Drink a good amount of cool water, but with common sense. Don't overdo it. Eat natural, healthy foods if you can.

Swim knows how you feel, not being able to bring onself to go. It's not a good idea, but Swim feels you there.

Monitor your pulse and your blood pressure if you can. If not, consider buying a miniature BP machine from a pharmacy store.

If your vitals are very abnormal, go to an ER. No questions asked. As in, double-triple what they should be, at the most. Even less than double can still be very dangerous.

Can you take your temperature and post it?

[Mint boi]

Well if your totally set against hospital I'd say just stay hydrated, get healthy and get lots of sleep.

[moda00]

My first guess would be a DOx chem, as most psychedelic type drugs would have worn off by now. Were other who were with swiyou using any psychedelics? If certain chems were around, it would perhaps help identify what could have been given to swiyyou without swiyour consent or accidentally ingested given the context. It definitely sucks to have ingested anything without consciously choosing to do so, and I can understand that the drug effects combined with the circumstances could cause considerable anxiety. One positive thing is that it is likely to wear off soon. It is probably best to try and stay comfortable as best swiyou can until it does, and know that it will be gone soon. There are therapists who are open to helping people specifically with difficult experiences or effects of a psychedelic but due to the legal status this is not often publicized and is often an underground type thing, but I know that some organizations do organize such resource lists- MAPS mentioned this at the WPF forum in Basel, so if you feel swiyou can't talk to your family (understandable) it may be advisable to contact MAPS for a referral, or even get in touch with a psychedelic-friendly mentor or friend if swiyou feels talking would be useful. Otherwise, little things like warm baths, familiar/comforting music, trying to eat or drink a bit, etc. can help stay comfortable until it wears off. I would hate to advocate ingesting another substance without knowing what the first was, but benzos are generally quite safe and effective in therapeutic doses and I cannot think of any psychedelic with which they could interact. Since the anxiety is a factor and the fact one hasn't slept and may also be feeling hung over etc. can compound this feeling, it is an option to take a low dose of a benzo to help with the anxiety and perhaps allow some rest- but again not knowing what was ingested I would say the best thing to do is try to wait it out, knowing it will be over soon, and to look into some resources for psychedelic-friendly therapists if needed. If it becomes a emergency situation I wouldn't hesitate to go to the ER, but if it is simply discomfort, and is bearable and no life threatening factors I'd say wait it out as the large number of people and the environment of the hospital could compound anxiety. It sounds like some symptoms could be serious- vomiting etc. could lead to dehydration- and if this is still going on it may be advisable to at least seek medical advise if not go directly to the ER- but if it is just lingering anxiety, insomnia, pupil dilation and it has been that long it is probably almost over.. But then again most psychedelics do have a propensity to cause nausea and vomiting and insomnia and such, but it is still terrifying to not know, and always better safe than sorry. To clarify, what symptoms are still present, and have the symptoms been decreasing in severity over the course of the night/day?? One thing I would advise, if dead set against going to a hospital, but still experiencing severe symptoms is to call Poison Control and/or a toll free medical advice line, for example my health insurance has a 24-hour nurse line where you can seek advice on specific situations and such. I am sorry swiyou is going through this, please let us know how things work out!!

edit: It looks like you got a lot of other responses while I was typing, sorry for any repetition.. also re-reading the responses it would be a good idea to let someone know what is going on, and maybe have a friend keep a eye on you.. swiyou says he has family at home with him which is good (swim wouldn't want swiy to be alone) but if swiyou can't or won't tell them specifics at least let them know he is not feeling well and ake sure they can kind of be available and keep an eye on swiyou..

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v.good post.

[Mint boi]

Wait, i assume when op said they were spiked they mean something put in their drink?
Or did u take an unknown pill?

[fiveleggedrat]

Also, obviously, do not take any other drugs to counter feeling bad.

The only exception here is low doses of benzos. Those can help bring calm to a situation. Higher doses are a bad idea.


Yes, did you take unknown pills or did you get a spiked drink?

fiveleggedrat added 2 Minutes and 13 Seconds later...

If you had JUST a spiked drink, what makes you think it is MDMA?

More effects from earlier on can help us figure out a little more.

[Atomic440]

Mint-boi: I was spiked. I felt coming up on something in a bar I was at. A bar that seemed very friendly and thought that anyone could trust their drink to be beside them at a bar! Obviously not. I was quite drunk. There could have been a pill dissolving in the bottom and me being a drunken twat didn't notice it. I think I would have remembered though. I don't remember much after coming up but memory loss could also be from alcohol I suppose.

fiveleggedrat: I've no thermometer handy but I've been keeping warm. I feel comfortable now as far as body temperature is concerned. Just wrapped up but not too much. No prefuse sweating or no discolouring in hands or feet either.
In the 6-9 hours, I kept close watch on my pulse. When doing it I felt more anxious and paranoid but now it's lessened a bit and I don't think I'm hallucinating anymore, I think I can rightly judge it.

moda00: Thanks. Your message calmed me down a fair bit. I don't know... in my head I just wanted someone to say something to me about what it could be even though I know I can't be sure. Thanks.

I was really, really anxious earlier on and just googled advice lines, online-chat rooms and forums and have posted a few topics or tried to get on online live-chat rooms (to no avail) and each comment I read is making me feel a lot better. Even from when I started this thread, I feel like the drug effects are wearing off and I'm just waiting for the mother of all hangovers/comedowns/both.

Atomic440 added 4 Minutes and 24 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by fiveleggedrat

If you had JUST a spiked drink, what makes you think it is MDMA?

More effects from earlier on can help us figure out a little more.

I know the effects of MDMA (I've read about them everywhere ) and it just seemed similar at the beginning but now its just going on too long and I don't think it is MDMA even though the effects are still quite the same but alot worse with more hallucinations in the early hours of the "trip" and simply that it has lasted this long believes me to think that it isn't MDMA.

[fiveleggedrat]

Swiy's last response is making Swim feel better too

It sounds like you consumed something more alike a 2C or DOx drug, which is most likely safer than worries like PMA.

Be careful with this: Being under the influence of a substance can effect your perception of temperature. Try to ask someone to check your forehead, if in a resonable range.

Swim OD'ed on what he believed was PMA, and was BURNING UP, but felt cold, and wanted to climb under the covers. If he would have, he woulda overheated VERY badly.

Not having profuse sweating is good. Even mild sweating that is abnormal is not always a good sign (generally, not as much right now.)

It sounds like you are reaching a safer point. Keep on top of vitals as much as you can, and just play it safe, and it sounds like you will be fine.

When Swim is worried about a drug OD or anything, he will try to keep a friend around, and tell them something like "If I pass out, go into coma, become unresponsive, hallucinate, babble, strange behavior, etc, call 911"

Swim is not aware of MDMA having a big effect visually. Perception, yes, but hallucinations: No.

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very good advice and contributions in this thread

[seeingred]

Maybe SWIY should get a blood test while the drug is still in effect.

[fiveleggedrat]

The above has a good point.

This applies elsewhere, though. If ever having a substance of something that causes OD/strange effects, save some for a chemical assay in the future.

[Atomic440]

Originally Posted by seeingred

Maybe SWIY should get a blood test while the drug is still in effect.

I really couldn't bring myslef to leave this room to be honest. I hardly want to stand because of exhaustion (even though I can't sleep).
I feel the worst is over though. I think that I can sit the rest of this out.

[fiveleggedrat]

Some advice: Please learn from this experience. That is the biggest thing here. Try to analyze how said substance got into you, and how to prevent it happening again. If somehow the above does happen again, visit an ER or seek some sort of medical attention.

We are all glad you are doing ok. Keep us posted!

[Atomic440]

I'll probably be permanently paranoid in bars from now on, so I think I'll be extra careful and from now on, not get so drunk to not realise there was something funny with the drink.
I feel like if I tried to go to sleep, I might actually be able to now. I might try and get back to you all in the morning.

Thanks for all your replies. I REALLY appreciate them all. Thanks a million.

Atomic440 added 2 Minutes and 12 Seconds later...

Sorry, I meant I WILL get in touch with you tomorrow. =]

Atomic440 added 14 Minutes and 54 Seconds later...

Right... sorry guys to annoy you but I've looked up DOx's and have gotten myself all worked up because of the possible effects of overdose... How will I know if I've overdosed or not? I was feeling fine there until I looked up that.

[fiveleggedrat]

This is based on DOB, sourced from Erowid:

DOB can be quite harmful at high doses. Significant overdoses can cause serious vasso-constriction of the extremeties...possibly resulting in nerve damange and/or gangrene. There are unconfirmed reports of two people who accidentally ingested 75mg (over 30x the regular dosage) and needed to have their legs amputated because their circulation had shut off and caused gangrene in their legs.

Effects can also last over 24+ with an OD on it, but Swim doubts that you OD'd, just had an unpleasant unexpected experience.

Therefore, Swim is using this to suggest you had a moderate-high dose of whatever drug you got, but not a fatal or very dangerous one. Probably not an OD.

By no means is Swim suggesting you had DOB. Swim feels the DOB info can help carry over to other DOx's

If you would have OD'ed, it sounds like, regardless of substance you would have have either A) Mindfuck, intense visual experience or B) Serious, debilitating physical side effects.

Swim at first assumed you consumed a psychedelic amphetamine, which is obviously dangerous. Do not believe you did anymore, like others say, 2C or DOx type drug, most likely.

Thing should clear up. If not, go see a Doctor for sure. Even if they do, go in for a checkup anyway.

[Atomic440]

Thanks again.
I forgot I had work tomorrow. Do you reckon I would be able to go or do you predict I will be as restless?

[fiveleggedrat]

Taking a day off will be beneficial. Only go if you feel you "have" to, or have strong obligations. That's what Swim thinks. Get as MUCH rest as you can, and eat well if you do decide to go. Vitamins and nutrients are essential to recovery from anything.

Swim OD'ed the other day, and took the next day off from School. Sadly, it was only his second week, but he decided his mental health was way more important than class.

[Micklemouse]

I would seriously suggest ringing in sick with a case of diaorrhea & vomiting (should buy you a couple of days - recommended return is 48 hours after the last instance of either) & visiting yer GP to get checked out, outlining all symptoms & concerns, request a blood test. Tell him you feel you may have been spiked, & after research believe it could have been an obscure research chemical. Your GP will treat this in total confidentiality, as will A & E should you still choose to go there.

[Rhin]

Either go to the hospital or take a day or two off. It won't last no longer than 48 hours unless it is Datura (Scoplamine) which is very unlikely because if you took that you would not remember much from the last day or two.

[Atomic440]

Well guys, it's the morning after. Around 1am, I finally felt myself drift off to sleep even though I still felt very much on the drug and still had massively dilated pupils. I was near in tears just before I went to sleep, just wishing the whole experience would come to an end and I could get back to some form of normality.

After waking up, the drug effects have worn off. I feel only a little groggy, like I have a mild hangover. I've managed to eat something without throwing up at the sight of it or eating it. All my limbs are aching slightly but nothing too serious. I feel like I could go into work because I've been in much worse before.

So yey! It's past! Thank God. I just feel so relieved and a lot happier.

I just want to thank you all for all your help and info. It really helped me get through this awful experience. I really appreciate it! =] Thanks!

[Rhin]

Originally Posted by Atomic440

Well guys, it's the morning after. Around 1am, I finally felt myself drift off to sleep even though I still felt very much on the drug and still had massively dilated pupils. I was near in tears just before I went to sleep, just wishing the whole experience would come to an end and I could get back to some form of normality.

After waking up, the drug effects have worn off. I feel only a little groggy, like I have a mild hangover. I've managed to eat something without throwing up at the sight of it or eating it. All my limbs are aching slightly but nothing too serious. I feel like I could go into work because I've been in much worse before.

So yey! It's past! Thank God. I just feel so relieved and a lot happier.

I just want to thank you all for all your help and info. It really helped me get through this awful experience. I really appreciate it! =] Thanks!

I am glad to hear you got through it, never leave your drinks with anyone else or take drinks from anyone else.

[moda00]

Thanks for the update.. I am glad to hear swiy was helped by the feedback and reassurance, and that the acute effects have passed and all is well!!