Oral use - Vicoden vs. Tramadol

[highdro]

new here so hi everyone!!

Just wondering if anyone has tried both Vics and Tramadol (not together just at one point or another).

I've been taking two vicodens a day (20 / 1000) for about 3 months now. Im not going to be able to get those anymore but have stumblmed upon a supply of Tramadol (50mg pills).

So, i guess my question is how do they compare? obviously i imagine tramadols are going to be less potent so i'll have to take more to get the same effect. how many 50mg pills should i take to equal that of the two vicodens i have been taking? someone told me 4 50mg tramadol pills will equal that, but that seems like a lot. is it really that weak?

anyone have any thoughts they can throw in? id like to learn about this new substance as much as i can even if it doesnt answer the question directly. all I know is they're non-narcotic but somewhat replicate that of real opiates? and they're mentally and physically addictive just like the real ones..

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Good thread. Don't forget to use SWIM instead of I and me.

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Swiy got it mixed up.They are non opiate but not non narcotic because they closely mimic the effects of opiates/narcotics.If swim had to choose between the two he would probably choose the tramadol simply because tylenol is nasty and poisonous stuff and vicodin is just full of it.

[highdro]

yeah i've heard the damage that the tylenol in those things can be harmful over time which sort of turned me off the vicoden thing.

Have you ever tried them though? do they really give the same effect/feeling as vics? it almost seems too good to be true. why would doctors even prescribe vicoden if tramadol does the same thing but doesn't damage your liver?

[fiveleggedrat]

For both recreational use and medicinal, Swim would prefer the Vicoden. Although they have other active ingredients, a CWE can help eliminate most, if not all APAP and such.

Tramadol is very good for the opiate naive. Swim first started with Tramadol, and used it for almost a year, on and off. Never built physical tolerance, but Swim can now take a months away from all opioids, and come back to tramadol, and get nothing.

When it comes to opioids, always start with the smaller/weaker ones. Always. Starting with stronger ones is inviting addiction and a much shorter time building tolerance.

This is why Swim only touches morphone drugs (H, Hydromorphone, Morphine, etc) rarely, and codeine drugs (Codeine, Oxycodone, Hydrocodone, etc) more often.

[chuck norris jr.]

swim perferes Vicodem also simply because he tried Tramadol and didnt get anywhere near the effect. He took 4 Tramadol and it wasnt even close to 2 Vics.

[fiveleggedrat]

Tramadol does not work on everyone. Swim's opiate naive friend took tramadol their first time, and got zero effects.

Tramadol is a good starting point.

Swim has reread the OP's post.

So, if you have been taking 20mg a day for 3 months, you have some type of physical addiction build up, likely. Swim suggests tapering off the Vicoden, better known as hydrocodone, until taking none. Then switching to the tramadol.

Keep in mind tramadol could do absolutely nothing for you.

Start with no more than a 100mg dose. Tramadol is a drug that you do NOT take all at once. It has to be metabolized slowly, so take the drug in slow, 50mg-100mg increments, every 30 minutes to an hour or so.

Make sure you put a cap on your tramadol usage at 400mg. Anything above that is asking to have a seizure, and you will NOT get positive effects past 400mg. Swim caps himself at 300mg. Negatives increase for him at 350mg+.

Also, if you have any history of seizures or epilepsy, tramadol should ONLY be used under the supervision of a trained medical professional, if at all.

Tramadol has SSRI and SNRI properties as well as mu opioid receptor stimulation, whereas hydrocodone causes only opioid receptor stimulation (not sure which one). Tramadol can have many unpleasant side effects, which for Swim, include greater chance of nausea/vomiting.

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very knowledgabe

[OhCasey]

It seems that about 70-80% of opiate users perfer Hydrocodone (Vicoden) over tramadol as far as strength anyways. Some People actually recieve strong effects and euphoria from tramadol making it more desireable to some than stronger opiates. The 400 mg mark is considered the safe limit to not experience the very real risk of seizures. 200 mgs for swim is equal strength wise to one 5mg hydrocodone.

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Swim really doesn't get much from either one.This is probably because swim has been using the stronger members of the opiate family for a good number of years now.Swim does get something from tramadol though.The interesting thing about tramadol is that some of its effects are very un opiate like including a marked sense of stimulation.

[fiveleggedrat]

Swim started with tramadol so he never felt stimulated by it.

He actually feels more stimulated with hydrocodone.

[highdro]

got my tramadols today so making a little note for anyone who hasnt tried these..

highdro added 0 Minutes and 13 Seconds later...

my Tramadol experience ticker

note: been taking 2-3 vicodin a day 15hydro/500APAmg pills for past few months so immunity is probably pretty high to these...

3:20 popped two 50mg pills (theyre so tiny awww how cute) and had to sit on the toilet cause haven't had a vic since 3:00pm yesterday. (rawr)

3:35 not really feeling anything yet, but starting to get giddy thinking of what it might feel like in a few.

3:39 wtf my nose is running.. my nose never runs.

3:45 popped another half and lit a smoke cause im a noob. still nothing really.

3:50 notice something dont feel the need for any pills. the withdrawy feeling for the vics is no longer there. no euophoria quite yet tho maybe a little. hope this isnt their climax...note: soda tastes different lol

4:10 must have kicked in by now. notice a little stimulation and kind of like a brain numbness cant really explain the feeling but nothing like vics. keeping me from withdrawl tho i guess cause im not craving anything.

thought: can see how that would probably feel weird or good to a virgin. but like previous posters said, dont start on hydrocodone then downgrade to tramadol. ruins the whole thing lol.

[soma]

Tramadol is a strange little substance. SWIM needs at least 100mg of hydrocodone (10x 10/325 Norco's or 20 Vicodin) to get a good buzz. However, 4 tramadol has him feeling great and full of energy. To SWIM, its like being opiated and on speed at the same time, and likes it alot for day to day use. He thinks tramadol is a good drug because it has NO APAP and is not a controlled substance.

[100mg Methylphenidate]

Swim suffers from knee pain which can get rather extreme sometimes. Tramadol doesn't come with the buzz vicodin has at all, but it is at least as good at stopping pain.

[onlyonce]

A friend of a friend was wondering this..he takes 5/500 vicodens occasionally (not regularly) for chronic back pain...he enjoys the comfort and relief from the the pain, but also enjoys the "buzz" type feeling...will tramadol create similar effects for both? if not, will he at least be comfortable? I see that there are 50/50 answers to this question, just trying to get more information....by the way, nice board!

[OhCasey]

Originally Posted by onlyonce

A friend of a friend was wondering this..he takes 5/500 vicodens occasionally (not regularly) for chronic back pain...he enjoys the comfort and relief from the the pain, but also enjoys the "buzz" type feeling...will tramadol create similar effects for both? if not, will he at least be comfortable? I see that there are 50/50 answers to this question, just trying to get more information....by the way, nice board!

Tramadol is considered weaker than Hydrocodone but a select few experience large amounts of euphoria and pain relief from tramadol. Swiyou wont know what tramadol until swiyou try it but most likely swiyou will not like it better than Hydrocodone.

[RX420]

tramadol is a weird drug. swim have tried all the opiates. from stronger stuff like morphine and oxys to lighter stuff like codeine and hydro ( altough swim has a sweet foundness for hydros)...and a few others.. all legit scripts for pain managment. although swim was needing 80+ mg of oxy for pain relief. swim found it good to switch to the trams for a few weeks to get tolerance down and it would eliminate most of the wds.

but swim finds trams to be great when mixed with either a benzo or a few of the hydrocodones. gives the tram a more of a opie feel and the benzo helps with the overstimulation swim would experiance from the trams.

swim also finds it takes a few hours atleast for the effects to come on. hell swim really enjoys the trams sometimes. its an odd drug, feels much diff than most opiates. yet the first few times swim used them swim was off their head for hours. tolerance rises fast with them. If swim ever did exceed the 400 mg mark, *which swim doesnt suggest* swim would take something like a kpin to help with seizures. although swim must not be too senistive becuase knock on wood swim never got one.

[onlyonce]

Originally Posted by RX420

tramadol is a weird drug. swim have tried all the opiates. from stronger stuff like morphine and oxys to lighter stuff like codeine and hydro ( altough swim has a sweet foundness for hydros)...and a few others.. all legit scripts for pain managment. although swim was needing 80+ mg of oxy for pain relief. swim found it good to switch to the trams for a few weeks to get tolerance down and it would eliminate most of the wds.

but swim finds trams to be great when mixed with either a benzo or a few of the hydrocodones. gives the tram a more of a opie feel and the benzo helps with the overstimulation swim would experiance from the trams.

swim also finds it takes a few hours atleast for the effects to come on. hell swim really enjoys the trams sometimes. its an odd drug, feels much diff than most opiates. yet the first few times swim used them swim was off their head for hours. tolerance rises fast with them. If swim ever did exceed the 400 mg mark, *which swim doesnt suggest* swim would take something like a kpin to help with seizures. although swim must not be too senistive becuase knock on wood swim never got one.

So is swim to understand that switching up opiates and trams will help conserve the opiates for the more painful days?

[Horser]

Tramadol comes in %0-100- and 200mg tabs. At least over/down here.
Swim has Never done Vicodin. (thought it weas a made up Drug specailly for Dr House!)
SWIM is on 50 mg's of KAPANOL + 20 mg of Benzo's per diem and only wishes it were more (it was 200!). Kaps have the easiest IV mods that SWIM has ever seen and would stay on Kapanols all swims life if swim had a choice!

[RX420]

Originally Posted by onlyonce

So is swim to understand that switching up opiates and trams will help conserve the opiates for the more painful days?

that's what my dog did...when his tolerance was getting too high and or supplies were running low..my dog would switch to trams for a week or 2. It totally eliminated all wds. My dog even said he felt pretty good off them. sometimes even enjoying them more than harder opiates. its relaxing yet not overly eurphoric, yet my dog has experianced some nice body buzzes from them. throw in a benzo or muscle relaxor and it really helps pain quite well.

it blows asprin or ibubrofen out by a loooong shot. haha my dog laughed when the doc suggested ibu800 My dog even said he felt good for a good 4 or 5 hours also. like taking an adderall and a few T3s. subtle and relaxing yet you can get work done since swiyou will be in a nice mood also. Hell my dog really likes the drug when I take a break from CII and CIII narcotics.

[samuraigecko]

Tramadol is always going to loose against any other REAL opiate.

Tramadol is a "pro-drug" for O-desmethyl-tramadol.
Tramadol itself is not active, it must be metabolized in a similar way to Codeine to become the active O-desmethyl-tramadol. Even when it becomes this "opioid" it does a lot of other functions other than being an opioid of which some people may not enjoy recreationally.

Peace

[RX420]

yeah trams can have some bad side effects. hard to sleep and my dog feels weird the day after taking them. They only got my dog off like the first few times than he wouldn't feel anything except slight stimulation and a little bit of relaxation.

the wds are hellish too. My dog has personal experience from using up 200 trams in a month or so and the wds sucked.

but my dog loves hyrdos. prefer oxy, but every now and than likes a hydro night.

[infekt]

Originally Posted by highdro

got my tramadols today so making a little note for anyone who hasnt tried these..

highdro added 0 Minutes and 13 Seconds later...

my Tramadol experience ticker

note: been taking 2-3 vicodin a day 15hydro/500APAmg pills for past few months so immunity is probably pretty high to these...

3:20 popped two 50mg pills (theyre so tiny awww how cute) and had to sit on the toilet cause haven't had a vic since 3:00pm yesterday. (rawr)

3:35 not really feeling anything yet, but starting to get giddy thinking of what it might feel like in a few.

3:39 wtf my nose is running.. my nose never runs.

3:45 popped another half and lit a smoke cause im a noob. still nothing really.

3:50 notice something dont feel the need for any pills. the withdrawy feeling for the vics is no longer there. no euophoria quite yet tho maybe a little. hope this isnt their climax...note: soda tastes different lol

4:10 must have kicked in by now. notice a little stimulation and kind of like a brain numbness cant really explain the feeling but nothing like vics. keeping me from withdrawl tho i guess cause im not craving anything.

thought: can see how that would probably feel weird or good to a virgin. but like previous posters said, dont start on hydrocodone then downgrade to tramadol. ruins the whole thing lol.

Hey man, read the rules on self incrimination. Use the word SWIM or something similar instead of "I". No one on this site does drugs.