Experiences - End Paranoia Forever

[muffelduffel]

Many posts on the web discuss the problem with paranoia when using cannabis. Tis is a big problems for many users and i would like to investigate this problem. Some people can smoke for years without paranoia but then one day it just kicks in and wont go away.
I make this thread to find a way out of the paranoia, and to make people understand where it comes from and how to make it go away.
The best way to experiment whith this problem is for you readers to help me with tips abaut how you cope with the paranoa, or if you know why it comes on.
The idea of this thread is to list the most popular ways to get rid of paranoia and then ask paranoid smokers to test the different ways and see if something works.
I want all of you to reply to this post, and tell me about why you get paranoid and about what. I also need people to tell me about ways to cope with paranoia and what tricks you use to minimize or get rid of paranoia.
I also need people who are willing to test the different methods i will describe in this thread.
If you read this and are interessted, please reply or send me a mail to " "

The paranoia often express itself in fear of getting caugth. You know you done somthing illegal and begin to worry about parents, boyfriend/girlfriend, friends who dont know, and of course the law inforcement.
Another commonly feeling is that you are going to loose your mind, doing or saying things that are strange or acting like an idiot. You loose the ability to trust yourself compleatly.
The feeling that you are about to die, often because your heartbeat runs at 120-200 beats per minute.
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METHODS
1: This method is about starting with a very small dose, so small you can hardly notice the effect. You take the product and measure it up in eacual sizes by deviding each piece in half, so maby you make 100 pieces of a gram. Then you start with 1/100 and wait 20 minutes, if you want more then you use 2/100 the next time and so on. This way you soon reach your desired level and then you use this level ALWAYS, and if you get a new piece of weed you have to do it all over again because this variety can be stronger or weaker.
This is a good method, but its boring and anyway sometime you will "overdose" anyhow. It works, but im more interessted in a way that allows one to smoke any choosed ammount without being paranoid.
2:Strains. Many users prefer indica instead of sativa, because it dont mess up thougths so much, but on the other hand indica is more of a body buzz and increase the heartbeat more. What strains do you pefer and are they indica or sativa?
3:Niacin. Some peope say that niacin (a B vitamin) removes paranoia within 2-3 days when eating hi doses. Anyone have an experience with this?
This is the first 3 methods you can use until you readers send me some more. I am interessted in all you readers so please post your questions, ideas, answers or other to help building this thread and end paranoia for all users and forever.
Thanks and Peace!

[sylenth]

just sharing what has worked for me & others i have helped in my life & has worked...paranoia is in the same league as anxiety & it can be from any drug. it feeds on itself & you like a monster, but it is your monster. so if you can pin down where it is coming from when it starts you can kill it. how you do this is by always staying in touch with your self, knowing you gonna kill what ever negative feelings you get immediately or in the future from realising your mistake, all by improving on the situation causing the feelings/thoughts.

some examples:
if you hiding things from your girl friend & parents you will have anxiety which produces paranoia, so it also depends how old & mature you are to stand up for your rights & peoples need to respect you for who you are.

if you feel uncomfortable about where you meeting a dealer cos you gonna get caught, then make up a story regarding the area... say you saw a cop & we should meet some where else or your car is broken down.

if you feel some one is being funny & sarcastic gunning for you or having other intentions in your group of friends, confront them. do'nt be caught in their insecurities & mind games.

most importantly as this is the cannabis forum. if you feel too high & it makes you feel uncomfortable & paranoid, then use less next time or you should'nt be doing it, if ur mind is saying no & you've tried all these things then you haved to obey it cos medication to releave this kind of thing can cause mixed emotions all together...

so these examples can go on for ever if you do'nt take control of the problem at hand you just mind fucking urself all the time blambing others, surroundings & things. you must do what reassures 'you' that you over reacting to 'what ever' becos you know you can create your own world, with what gets to you & what does'nt. always asess the situation rationally by being true to your self.

[FlakeyPink]

last time i smoked was 3 years ago and exactly from this paranoa with smoking cannabis. pretty much from their it all went down hill. hypochondriac, scared , anxiety always checking my heart. since then i havent touched weed, but would love to enjoy it again but again the fear of that paranoa kicking in while im having it..im not down for it. i take xanax now on the daily bases and was wondering if the two combined would make smoking pot more enjoyable..? just from marijuana i have a chemical inbalance in my brain thats not letting me enjoy my life because once again i thought i was going to die when i smoked weed. No need to go through that again but if anyone has any ideas or clues how this can be avoided please post and discuss.

thanks

[muffelduffel]

Hello FlakeyPink!
SWIM have alot of experience when it comes to medicines combined with cannabis. He has tried almost all antidepressants and antipsycotic medicines there are as he had problem with paranoia and depression earlier in my life. In his experience, pills dont do good or bad when it comes to smoking. Some antipsycotics can reduce your thinking activity but these pills are no fun to use every singel day just to be able to smoke. Antidepressants have no noticable effekt according to his experiences. The pills that work would be either benzodiazepines or opiods like codeine etc. But these pills are addictive and the high of cannabis is not quite the same as without medication.

Have you always been paranoid on weed? Or did it come later after smoking a while? Have you tried different strains, and if you have what worked best?

Thanks
Jack

muffelduffel added 22 Minutes and 47 Seconds later...

Hello Sylenth!
Thanks for the input. I understand what you mean, we cause the paranoia ourselves and have to end it ourselves. Ofcourse a smoker have to be honest with him/herself and accept who he or she is. But when it comes to paranoia, when it really kicks in, the option of just saying it isnt real or to snap out of it, that option really isnt there in most cases.

SWIM used to smoke alot, and he never had any anxiety or paranoia at all for several years. Then it just started, every time he smoked he started to get paranoid, and more substance makes more paranoia. After a while he tried to smoke less, and it worked in some degree, but when it worked it didnt really give me a buzz at all. He still loves the plant, the smell, the taste and the buzz, but the last couple of years it just wont work.

He belives the paranoia is chemically bounded, or else he would be paranoid even when he dont smoke. He knows chemicals in the brain cause paranoia and he belives that there is a way to get rid of these chemicals by choosing right strain, setting, amount and possibly by adding other chemicals as for examle niacin.

If he dring 3 beers he can smoke any ammount he want, but my goal here is to find out what works best without adding another drug.

But you are right, a person who smokes have to be able to work with his feelings and thougths.

Thaks
Jack

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[FlakeyPink]

Originally Posted by muffelduffel

Hello FlakeyPink!
I have alot of experience when it comes to medicines combined with cannabis. I have tried almost all antidepressants and antipsycotic medicines there are as i had problem with paranoia and depression earlier in my life. In my experience, pills dont do good or bad when it comes to smoking. Some antipsycotics can reduce your thinking activity but these pills are no fun to use every singel day just to be able to smoke. Antidepressants have no noticable effekt according to my own experiences. The pills that work would be either benzodiazepines or opiods like codeine etc. But these pills are addictive and the high of cannabis is not quite the same as without medication.

Have you always been paranoid on weed? Or did it come later after smoking a while? Have you tried different strains, and if you have what worked best?

Thanks
Jack

muffelduffel added 22 Minutes and 47 Seconds later...

Hello Sylenth!
Thanks for the input. I understand what you mean, we cause the paranoia ourselves and have to end it ourselves. Ofcourse a smoker have to be honest with him/herself and accept who he or she is. But when it comes to paranoia, when it really kicks in, the option of just saying it isnt real or to snap out of it, that option really isnt there in most cases.

I used to smoke alot, and i never had any anxiety or paranoia at all for several years. Then it just started, every time i smoked i started to get paranoid, and more substance makes more paranoia. After a while i tried to smoke less, and it worked in some degree, but when it worked it didnt really give me a buzz at all. I still love the plant, the smell, the taste and the buzz, but the last couple of years it just wont work.

I belive the paranoia is chemically bounded, or else i would be paranoid even when i dont smoke. I know chemicals i the brain cause paranoia and i belive that there is a way to get rid of these chemicals by choosing right strain, setting, amount and possibly by adding other chemicals as for examle niacin.

If i dring 3 beers i can smoke any ammount i want, but my goal here is to find out what works best without adding another drug.

But you are right, a person who smokes have to be able to work with his feelings and thougths.

Thaks
Jack

yes, i was able to smoke when all of a sudden one day that had happend, sometimes i sit down and think what could of caused it and all i remember is me being so high that i lose a sense of reality which in then makes me freak out. Now a couple months ago some friends were smoking in my car and i got a contact high which felt good and i wasnt panicking. i think to myself must be my tolerance level and my way to control myself when i smoke. but still to this day i have not smoked it myself

[hookedonem]

swim had exactly the same as yourself. Had many years smoking cannabis then all of a sudden had a bad trip everytime i tried it,swim would only need to smoke one tenth of his usual amount for this bad reaction to occur.Swim is currently using anti anxiety drugs just to combat everyday life at present.Swim would love to be able to be relaxed and smoke at the same time.

[sylenth]

very informative that it could be different strains... it will be quite useful & worth while the research & insight to this possible solution from the info provided here. so i understand now, was just providing the possibility of prevention rather than cure but it is a solution thread, well at least all the basics have been layed down. smurf too suffers from paranoia due to the anxiety only when he smokes too often or too much 'which is'nt too often.'

nice thread good luck with the progress & results.

[muffelduffel]

Hello Sylenth!
Does "Smurf" notice any variations in diffrent strains, when he smokes alot? Does he notice any difference between indica/sativa or weed/hash?

Thanks
Jack

[sylenth]

Originally Posted by muffelduffel

Hello Sylenth!
Does "Smurf" notice any variations in diffrent strains, when he smokes alot? Does he notice any difference between indica/sativa or weed/hash?

Thanks
Jack

yeah he has noticed different variations as far as he can tell, never payed too close attention to it though, as it is not the most used drug by the smurf. smurf will do so & report back here soon.

[muffelduffel]

I would really like to talk with people whos tried the niacin (vitamin B3) approach. Or anyone who is going to try it. The way to go is to eat a total of 500mg B3 each day, eat it two times a day (250x2) for three days and then the the possibility to get paranoid will reduce. Vitamin B3 is known for giving a good mental healt, so it would be worth a try. Anyone is free to try and then post back the results.

Thanks
Jack

[Nature Boy]

It's all about strain quality. Strains with THC levels disproportionate to the stabilizing cannabinoids such as CBN and CBD tend to bring about anxiety more readily. This is a simple matter of brain chemistry. If smoking is making you paranoid, the strain is probably substandard or else you're using cannabis in the wrong environment at the wrong time. SWIM doesn't get paranoid from weed because once you understand the precise source of the anxiety, it's easy to avoid it.

[muffelduffel]

Hello Nature Boy!
Ok, so you mean that the procentage of THC should match the procentage of the other cannabinoids like CBN and CBD.

So i guess you know somone who has some experience with both THC levels that match CBN and CBD, and also with THC levels that dont match. So i would like you to share the information about what strains that would be good and what strains that would be bad. What levels should you look for, what procentage, and where can one find out what strains contains what?

Thanks
Jack

[Nature Boy]

Originally Posted by muffelduffel

Hello Nature Boy!
Ok, so you mean that the procentage of THC should match the procentage of the other cannabinoids like CBN and CBD.

So i guess you know somone who has some experience with both THC levels that match CBN and CBD, and also with THC levels that dont match. So i would like you to share the information about what strains that would be good and what strains that would be bad. What levels should you look for, what procentage, and where can one find out what strains contains what?

Thanks
Jack

Over here and in the UK, commerical weed known as "skunk" is engineered in order to produce the highest THC levels possible without any consideration for the other cannabinoids that are typical in the natural make-up of cannabis. Generally speaking, organic strains are recommendable because they are not modified in a way where the THC levels are lopsided against CBN and CBD for example. It isn't necessarily high THC levels that cause the negative side effects. It's high THC levels without anything to pad it up. Compare it to drinking cheap vodka straight from the bottle on an empty stomach. Not a pleasant experience but after a meal, top a glass up with some Coca-Cola and the drink is far more agreeable. I'm putting it in pretty simplistic terms here and I'm sure a few fellow members can shed better light on it in terms of the chemistry but that's the general gist of it I find.

It's also worth pointing out that the regulated strains for the Dutch coffeeshop market also avoid this unbalance and some of those strains are incredibly potent in THC. Over there, they know customers will flee if the weed isn't up to scratch so they have to grow enjoyable strains as opposed to strains that appear and seem valuable in the rough-and-tumble of the black market.

When "grit weed" hit Europe a year or two ago, people quickly shunned it much like people gradually shunned "soapbar" hash in the UK & Ireland a couple of years earlier. I think the message about unbalanced THC strains should get out there because many people do not have the ability to rationalise the anxiety they feel when they use an unhealthy strain (a lot of it has to do with being unaware of the unbalance and thinking one's going insane inside of their own head). Naturally or considerately-engineered weed should be a pleasurable experience for most people to smoke. Very few people should be having bad reactions with it (besides any brush-ins with the law). This paranoia/anxiety issue seems to be escalating and I point the finger directly at the black market hierarchy and the prohibition that allows these people to distribute this substandard product. I believe the entire "Talk to Frank" British propaganda against cannabis is re-enforced massively by unbalanced street weed. But the problem is that people will still smoke, because they've probably tried good smoke, and then they'll continue to develop psychotic symptoms without knowing why.

It's hard to find references for psychotic symptoms, paranoia attacks and high anxiety amongst otherwise mentally stable people if you go back a decade or two. There's a reason for that and it's not simply an increase in THC levels. It's the divide between harmonising cannabinoids and THC.

[doublezero]

when swim used to smoke weed he grew it. he used to bud the plants off for an extra 2-4weeks to higher the cbd levels in the weed. A little tip for any prcy growers out there

[muffelduffel]

Hello Dubblezero!
Many people talks about increased CBD levels for reducing paranoia, perhaps its tru for some individuals but is i not so that CBD also increase heartrate? If thats the case, a boost in heartrate up to 120-200 beats per minute would cause death anxiety and paranoia to. My friend The Cat used to grow, but he only grew i vegetative, only leafs and never let the plant mature, this way he got weed made from only leafs and the THC levels would be pretty low. Anyway, he grew afghan, skunk #1 and white widow, all from nirvana seeds, and though afghan would have the highest CBD levels, that was the plant he didnt like at all, he easily got paranoid, and said the afghan made things worse, but the sk#1 and WW worked much better.

So anyone know anything about CBD and heartrate? Please let me know.

Thaks
Jack

[EntheogenicTruth]

hey guys, swim wants to know if any of you guys have any suggestions on helping with paranoia on LSD and other psychedelics, as Swim regularly gets paraniod when he's tripping, sometimes he gets over it and continues his trip and sometimes he doesnt, got any suggestions?

[Nature Boy]

Diazepam (valium) can be effective in reducing the intensity of a trip. It's usually only resorted to as a last measure.

[Shampoo]

muffelduffel and flakeypink, please regard the rules immediately, I am sending you a copy. Self-incrimination is not allowed on this forum.

Your input is constructive but you cannot incriminate yourself on drugs-forum.

[sterling77]

Fish oil helps the paranoia and makes swim feel more stable. Any other reports, anecdotal or otherwise?

[libertalism]

SWIM had paranoia and other bad effects like increased hearthrate and being so far out that SWIM lost the ability to being able to have a normal conversation etc.

It ended a few months ago ( after a little over 3 years of "casual" use and with casual i mean buying occasionally and smoking with friends at night but hardly ever smoking entirely on alone ) Swim started buying bigger bags , smoking alone and alot more in general ( still having alot of bad effects ) then he at one night , he suddenly reached this point where he would come back to this kind of plateau about 30 mins after a new J.

From that point forward he realised that there was nothing to be afraid of and now he is enjoying smoking ALOT more and is rid of almost every bad effect ( except for the occasional dry mouth or rarely weird musle constractions )

So perhaps the answer is to smoke untill you reach your limit and just to hang in there at the start .

[muffelduffel]

Thanks everybody, i feel we are getting somwhere with this post. And as Shampoo tells us, we have to stop selfincriminating ourselfs. Edit your post if possible, i have not been able to figure out how to edit old posts but if anyone knows how please send me a mess.

So what do we got sofar? Well, we got the "level up" method i described in the first post, and Libetalism is saying it worked for him, just toke away, small doses, smoking more often and increace as you go along until you find your comfortable level of high.

We got the vitamins and fish oil, both known for better mental health, even used by manic depressives and other people with a psycic problems, and liberty77 says it works fine with fish oil.

And we got the very nice input from Nature boy, explaning that you have to choose a good strain with the right levels of cannabinoids.

All this i good information and if anyone was getting paranoid, these method would be the first to try.

So to get out of the paranoia loop, it seems you have to thik about three things, brainchemistry, right strain and tolerance.

SO lets divide things a bit, lets talk about all the above. How does one produce and maintain a good chemistry balance in the brain, any other ideas? Well i would guess that eating your vitamins, some protein powder with aminoacids, fish oil, combined with regular exercice would be thw way to go for a solid good mental health and top grade brain chemistry.

When this is done you should find your strain, and this subject i really could use some help researching, Nature Boy seems to know what he is talking about and i agree compleatly, but we need som examples of strains in this post, and the strains sould be old shool, not genetic modificated, so anyone knows anyting about this please do input.

The tolerance is low in the beginning, so starting with a very very low dose should be th way to go. Forget all about your earlier doses, if somone is gonna do it right, he has to start with a tiny dose, so tiny that he dont even think he can get high of it, and after that keeping the smoking going on, leveling up as they go, little by little until the plateu is reached.

This is the summary so far, all we need now is input from experiences, so if anyone would try this, he or she could help alot of people by posting the results here.

Thaks again everybody!
Jack

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[cigol]

SWIM gets paranoia sometimes. SWIM has been smoking for 5 years Now. To deal with Paranoia is basically accepting that SWIY is high and learning SWIYs high. SWIM deep breathes and just accepts that he is high and tries to see why he is really paranoid. SWIM also will throw on a funny movie if things get too intense. SWIM usually doesnt get high, but SWIM frequently takes a 2 week to month break sometimes to kill the tolerance level. SWIM believes also not smoking as much kills paranoia for some. Most just overdue it. SWIM also believes smoking alone and being comfortable with oneself will help eventually. Then once SWIY is ready, smoke in other places. Paranoia is also caused by new scenery and new people sometimes. SWIM believes the best thing to do is deep breathe and just accept ones high and go with it. Dont fight it. It just makes it worse. SWED

cigol added 2 Minutes and 29 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by cigol

SWIM usually doesnt get high, but SWIM frequently takes a 2 week to month break sometimes to kill the tolerance level.

SWIM meant to Say SWIM usually doesnt get PARANOID, instead of high. sorry bout the mixup

[EntheogenicTruth]

swim fond his cure for paranoia that cant be taken orally, or rectally...
its called pronoia
where paranoia you would be afraid of people catching you, pronoia you would feel great about getting caught because then you would have some more peeps to blaze up with.