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Old 04-09-2008, 06:02
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Help, Swim is worried about PMA OD

Swim dropped a pill at 8pm, nothing felt. Another at 9pm, still nothing till 11. Then Swim started getting strange feelings, like mild DXM/alcohol intoxication with body stimulant effects. He had effects matching PMA, MBDB, and MDE, including cold, sweaty feet, high heart rate, very hot feeling body, sweating hands, cold extremities, very mild subconcious jaw clenching etc. No euphoria is present at the moment. Swim dropped another pill an hour ago. It feels like a roller coaster, flying up and down quickly like propylhexedrine.

Swim is now panicking thinking he has taken a dangerous dose of perhaps PMA, what can Swim do to cancel effects or at least ride this out? Swim has 2mg alprazolam, but is unsure if that would just complicate things worse.

How can Swim handle possible PMA overdose? What can Swim do to ride this out? What should swim do? Swim is drinking water and took a swig of of a bunch of citric acid in water to try and neutralize the pill and get them out quicker.

This type of behaviour is very out of line for Swim, and he can't believe he could be so ignorant.

fiveleggedrat added 5 Minutes and 35 Seconds later...

Swim is panicking. Swim does not feel insanely hot, and effects seem to be slowly decreasing, but Swim worries about the 3rd pill he dropped. Can anyone help?

EDIT: If this or anything like this ever happens to you, seek medical attention immeadiately! Do not attempt to "ride it out" without trained medical professionals present. That's ME saying this.

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Old 04-09-2008, 06:10
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Re: Help, Swim is worried about PMA OD

If SWIM has taken two pills total, and there isn't a big story on the local news of lots of people dying - chances are it isn't going to kill SWIM. Alprazolam (Xanax) shouldn't complicate matters. But should only be taken if needed. Lower core temperature with a cool bath. Drink plenty of cold fluids (no alcohol) but don't go overboard.

Take SWIM's temperature - if it spikes up over 100F (you are in the USA), consider taking SWIM to an ER. They likely won't have a clue what PMA is - so be prepared to educate them. It's the brain's thermostat that goes out of control with temperatures of up to 108F having been recorded from PMA. Tell 'em to do some fast research if they don't know what is going on.

Let us know how SWIM is doing.
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Old 04-09-2008, 06:11
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Re: Help, Swim is worried about PMA OD

Swim is having strong waves of anxiety and fear from possible OD. Swim does not feel insanely ill, but is afraid.

Swim has never had MDMA, to note, but this sure as hell is not it.

Effects started out positive, that's why Swim took a 3rd pill. After taking the 3rd, things seemed a little intense, and Swim read in detail on various substances that could be causing these effects, and like Swim said, either match MBDB, MDE, or PMA.
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Old 04-09-2008, 06:14
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Re: Help, Swim is worried about PMA OD

Oh now it's 3 pills SWIM took? Oh brother...read above post. Could well be an OD of MDMA/MDA - an anxiety attack is exactly what he'd get (and deserve).
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Old 04-09-2008, 06:17
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Re: Help, Swim is worried about PMA OD

Swim has no way to take temperature.

Swim is terrified of the prospects of hospital, and will only go if things get really bad, as in, dizzy, conciousness issues, memory issues, something preventing him from functioning normally. Swim is currently at home with family, and to wake for such would have huge consequences in Swim's life. So would dying, he supposes.

Would Swim KNOW if he was dangerously overheated, or can it go undetected?

Swim is unsure how much of this is fear/panic on his part.

Swim is drinking cold water. Afraid to take a shower in case he passes out, no one would hear/find him for a long time.

Swim asked for it by doing this. Swim knows how stupid this was. He just wants help.

Getting stomach pains now, aches. Empty stomach now to note, too. Belching more than normal.

fiveleggedrat added 2 Minutes and 20 Seconds later...

Swim took one of these pills 6 months ago and felt nothing. Completely zero.

Swim would expect MDMA or MDA to feel nothing like this. No happy feelings. Pleasant in the beginning before the big, bad scary physical effects kicked in.

Swim is reluctant to use the alprazolam because benzos incapacitate him a bit, eg, memory/drunkenness. Should he take a small dose to help his body? 2mg is plenty for him to get high off.

Swim feels most of this is anxiety, emotions are more noticeable and stronger. He is just afraid, as said before.

Mental effects are mild compared to the body stimulation. Fast heart rate, warm skin, cold hands/feet.

Anything Swim can do to get this stuff out his body quicker other than consuming acids?

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Old 04-09-2008, 06:26
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Re: Help, Swim is worried about PMA OD

Ask SWIM: Any visual imagery/hallucinations? Tripping? Or just anxiety and physical discomfort?

If the latter - he OD'ed on MDMA or similar. Anxiety-attack with physical symptoms. Most likely. Recovery: 6 - 8 hours. Remedies and suggestion as stated prior.

If visual hallucinations appear and a fever - you know what is suggested. Of course now, in his anxiety-attack, SWIM will hallucinate hallucinations...
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Old 04-09-2008, 06:27
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Re: Help, Swim is worried about PMA OD

OK, here we go

I think, that if your monkey is concerned then they should seek medical attention.

If this is not an option (although it should be) then you need to call a trusted friend, NOW, who can come and be with you (and bring a thermometer), and help you monitor the situation. They will also be able to calm and centre you and remind you that this will all soon pass

There is no way to tell, really, whether temperature is a problem without the thermometer, because if your monkey is already feverish, then perception of temperature can become derailed

The internet is not a substitute for human contact and you need a real person there with you

Be cautious with the water, it is easy, when feeling panicked to ingest more than is wise.

Please call someone NOW. A person is going to be far more help than the Alprazolam
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Old 04-09-2008, 06:29
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Re: Help, Swim is worried about PMA OD

No, zero hallucintions. Slight visual change, perhaps mild CEV's, but that's it. Everything looks normal. Not tripping at the moment, for sure.

Strong physical discomfort and strong fear/anxiety.

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Swim has no one he could call for help. Swim has a phone close by in case things get worse, to call 911.

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Old 04-09-2008, 06:29
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Re: Help, Swim is worried about PMA OD

Good call, Jat. Get on the phone, Ratso. Call a friend of SWIM to bring the (rectal) thermometer.
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Old 04-09-2008, 06:32
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Re: Help, Swim is worried about PMA OD

Not drinking abnormally large amounts of water, it's difficult to swallow. Dry mouth is present as well.

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Swim wishes he had someone to call. At this moment, Swim is going to try to ride this out. If it worsens at all (strong physical problems, functioning problems, delirium/hallucinations, Swim will call 911. Swim might add .5mg-1mg alprazolam to help Swim calm down.

Any ways to push the drugs out quicker/speed this up?

Swim is just glad he did not take 4.

Swim had panicked on other drugs before.

Swim feels like his temp might be dropping.

The first two pills, taken at 8 and 9, really were active most between 11-1. Around 12, the first two seemed to be slowing down/getting weaker, and Swim decided then to have the third pill.

Swim is calming down a little. At the moment, he feels like his body is slowly starting to even out. Of course, Swim could just be confused.

Swim sees no abnormalities in his thought process.

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Old 04-09-2008, 06:41
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Re: Help, Swim is worried about PMA OD

I would recommend, that if there TRUELY is no-one you can call to be with you then you seek medical attention of some sort.

There is no way to speed things up, unfortunately.
It is difficult to be truely objective about bodily sensations when you are panicked and scared, that is why I think you should not be on your own right now
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Old 04-09-2008, 08:49
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Re: Help, Swim is worried about PMA OD

Swim called the only person he could think of but they did not answer.

Swim is starting to think most of this is/was fear/anxiety.

Swim feels like his temp/heart rate are slowly dropping, but cannot be sure.

Blood pressure is 161/94, pulse is 97. Normally, Sober and resting, Swim is 120/80, pulse 60.

Swim feels like he is slowly coming down from an extended panic attack.

Time is going quickly. Swim has to urinate every 10-15 minutes.

Like he said, Swim will call 911 if anything worsens.

It's been almost 2 hours since pill 3. Swim thinks perhaps pill 1 and 2 were phasing out as 3 started to take effect.

Don't know if it matters or not, Swim had 25mg ephedrine around 5pm. Did not really feel it. Smoked pot around 1pm.

fiveleggedrat added 16 Minutes and 40 Seconds later...

Things are pretty much staying the same. Sweaty hands/feet, cold extremities, visuals are not changing. Visuals were more intense earlier on.

Swim is hoping this shit is getting out of his system. Swim'll take BP again soon. Swim is considering a little alprazolam to calm down still.

Swim thanks everyone for their help. Swim feels like an idiot having one of those "Help I think I overdosed!" threads. Jesus.

Effects could not possibly increase, correct? It's been 6 hours since pill 1, 5 hours since pill 2, and 2 hours since pill 3.

fiveleggedrat added 7 Minutes and 17 Seconds later...

What an idiot Swim is. He has class in 6 hours. Ugh, Swim can't calm down.

Swim was about to down about 8 shots worth of 80 proof right before the PMA or whatever it is started to take an effect. Swim drinks only a few times a year. Thank goodness Swim noticed his pupils were dilated before he drank. This could have been way worse.

fiveleggedrat added 4 Minutes and 12 Seconds later...

Swim feels like temp might be dropping again, but cannot be sure.

Swim was taking the pills, hoping that they had SOME MDMA in them. After feeling effects from the first 2 and deciding it was just a low dose, Swim then decided to have number 3. Sorry if Swim is rambling.

fiveleggedrat added 7 Minutes and 25 Seconds later...

Swim has had one medium glass of water over the past 2 hours. He went to go refill, and is drinking a water/citric acid solution. The reasoning behind the citric was Swim read Vitamin C can shorten/kill amphetamine effects. Swim figured since C was just ascorbic acid, that some other acid would be just as useful.

fiveleggedrat added 3 Minutes and 12 Seconds later...

Quoting elsewhere, "Acidification of the urine increases amphetamine excretion."

fiveleggedrat added 4 Minutes and 57 Seconds later...

Still urinating every 10 minutes pretty much. Drinking water slowly. Gut cramps, feels like gas.

fiveleggedrat added 4 Minutes and 22 Seconds later...

BP now 154/97, pulse 94. Swim also went to get a cold compress for his head.

fiveleggedrat added 31 Minutes and 47 Seconds later...

BP is now 154/95, BPM 110.

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BP and heart rate are staying the same. Feeling like Swim is coming down. Still using cold, wet cloth compress on forehead. Swim just took 500mg acetaminophen to try and reduce fever. Swim's biggest worry is fever.

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Old 04-09-2008, 09:16
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Re: Help, Swim is worried about PMA OD

Is swiY doing any better? SwiM's pet is no doctor but she has a few suggestions.

The main thing is to keep him cool and relaxing. If his heart is racing too fast, have him breathe deeply and slowly, and lay down trying to calm himself down. If he gets too hot an ice pack may be necessary or even an ice bath if worst comes to worst.

If swiY goes to a hospital he can expect them to treat the symptoms and may provide activated charcoal to absorb whatever's left. If things get bad enough, he should go, but if it is just anxiety then he needs to figure out a way to calm both his body and mind down.

Oh ya:
This may be the last thing on swiY's mind right now but if he feels that these really did have something dangerous, and has any left perhaps he should consider doing a marquis reagent test and posting about them on pillreports or w/e, as to warn others in the area about them.
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Old 04-09-2008, 11:43
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Re: Help, Swim is worried about PMA OD

Swim has taken two Extra Strength Tylenols to reduce fever. It's 4:22 in the morning. Last pill was dropped at 12:00. Mental effects are gone. Fear has greatly been reduced, anxiety is not as bad, feel like fever is down.

Visual tinge is over. Feeling more normal except for persisting body effects. BP is still up, heart rate is still up there too. Fever is still there, but slowly reducing, Swim thinks. Still drinking water with citric acid. Will take glutamine later. Still using cold compress on forehead/cheeks. Time for a BP reading.
149/98, pulse 120. Now taking glutamine/citric acid in water for recovery/flushing system/temp control. Swim spent most of the "high" on top of his bed, under a fan, in a cooled as much as possible room, with a cold wet compress on his head, trying to remain calm, and breathe normally. Those all helped greatly. Trying to lie down and breath slow helped a lot.

Swim is shocked. Swim has had that "It can't happen to me" attitude with dirty drugs. This is way worse than some cut coke or H. Swim feels like one more pill, or any other drugs, and this would have been a death. Swim is very shaken by this, and will never trust street sources again for anything. Swim was overheating pretty fucking bad there.

Swim decides to experiment, and has a panic attack, and pretty much a near death thingy. What the hell. Swim has had too many of those, just never drug related ones. Swim's first time dropping pills and he fucking almost OD's on something. The negative body effects were STRONG. High BP, STRONG and fast heart rate, high fever (based on having previous sickness induced fevers, Swim would estimate 101-104, but this is heresay.), that was one of the worst drug experiences ever, if not THE worst. Swim cannot believe what happened.

Swim knows everyone says "Oh noes, there's PMA in my pills, ahhh", but he is almost certain this was PMA. Doing intensive reading over the past few hours, the only drugs that matched Swim's "high" were the following, with first being most likely and last least likely: PMA, MDE, MBDB. PMA was spot on for effects, especially the "roller coaster" high, which reminded Swim of Propylhexedrine, only less intense mentally. No up/down was attributed to MDE or MBDB from Swim's reading. And boy, nothing like fear to inspire serious reading.

Fuck, glutamine is nasty.


Swim luckily got his friend on the phone and kept her for about 2 hours. This GREATLY helped Swim calm down and be rational about things.

Thank everyone for their help. Swim has 2 pills left and will save them so he can send them to a lab once he gets the money. He wants them to be analzyed so he can know what did this to him. He wants to help others not make the same mistake he did. Swim feels tonight was a fine line between life and boiled brains.

Ouch, stomach pains. Most reading says this stuff passes out of the body around 5-6 hours. The mental effects are all gone, so Swim assumes body will fade in the next 2-3 hours, at most. Swim's fever is def. down, he can feel it.

What the fuck, bro.

If anyone cares, the pills are 6mo-1 year old and were from the Orlando area.

Please everyone, never have the attitude that the above can't happen with you. Swim now and forever will recommend everyone to wash pills before using, and/or get them tested. This was a horrible experience. Swim has felt less fear having a gun to his head than while on this drug.

Swim is going to cut off his research on several potentially rewarding but potentially dangerous substances now. Swim is too shocked to risk hurting his body anymore now. Swim is terrified of stimulants, once again. Swim is going to stick to what he knows, which are opioids, benzos, and pot.

Swim will post in this thread tomorrow, letting everyone know how the day-after goes.

Once again, thank everyone kindly for the help.

Talk about a wake-up call.

fiveleggedrat added 11 Minutes and 16 Seconds later...

In case anyone is interested, Swim kept a report going the whole time until the bad things started happening. He stopped and came here after that.

This story leads up to Swim's original post:


" the following pills are from a batch that was presumed "fake" after taking one previously and having zero effects. keeping log just in case. expecting nothing at all to happen. this is mostly to sate curiosity.

8:10 drop 1 pill on pretty full stomach. pill tastes funny. kinda bitter but not. last time using pill nothing happened. swim smoked earlier today, also had 25mg ephedrine @ 5 or so and nitrous at 6:30ish. pretty sober. fingertips feel funny from earlier.

8:54 pm nothing happening. feel like heart rate is up, not sure if it was related to earlier ephedrine. bp 140/80 rate 90, sober = 120/80 rate 60. will drop another within 30 minutes if no effects.

9:13pm drop number 2.

9:38 nothing. hand numbness from earlier today fading.

9:52 nothing still. little felt is placebo for sure. weed hangover gone completely. going to consume alcohol later.

10:13 experiment over.

11:18- 11:47 swim notices he has pupil dilation (noticeable) and some strange funny feelings. he feels almost disconnected, yet light and calm. good mood too. what is in these? everything feels slightly more visual, and Swim would describe mood as aloof. This is not placebo. Feel light, like low dose DXM without the unpleasant side effects. Pissed that this is now superceding alcohol experiment. Oh well. Swim is honestly worried about possibly dropping more. feelings seem to be increasing. very mild visual distortion becoming more apparent. putting on music to set a mood, which is very important to swim. eye twitching. more is happening now. effects are picking up. oh man. visual distortion increasing as Swim types. Swim feels even lighter. Swim has never felt anything like this before. It feels like clear minded DXM or alcohol. Very strange. Swim wants to take another to see what happens, but will wait a while to see what happens. Swim has a funny feeling in his throat. Perhaps there is very small amount of MDMA in the pills? Swim had tramadol 4-5 days ago, to note. Swim wants another pill but will wait a little. Perhaps the full stomach delayed absorbtion quite a bit. Emotions are more noticeable. Body starting to feel different, as if senses increased. Honestly have no idea what to expect from MDMA. Eye twitched a little earlier on. Mood seems bouncy, as in, going up and then going down. Skin feels warm. Heart rate is up. BP is likely up too. Swim has speed dick. Trying to determine if this is MDMA or Amphetamine + DXM. Being picky with music. Pacing and talking more rapid than normal on the phone like when under the influence of stimulants. Music seems more important. Reading on MDE, perhaps Swim is feeling MDE. Something like mild euphoria of the amphetamine type. Not too strong an experience, pretty mild overall, just surprised at effects from what Swim assumed were bunk pills. Hands are ice cold, feel like sweating more. Reading more on MDE, sounds very similar to what Swim is feeling. Feels kinda like propylhexedrine in the sense that this is coming in waves. Bouncing between neutral/bad mood and good mood. Breathing passages are very clear. Def feeling body stimulation of the amphetamine type, but nothing too much. Swim would compare this to 100mg-150mg propylhexedrine, but milder, more mental. Feeling something like nausea. Unpleasant feeling in chest body area. This is a mild, ok high. Def not overwhelming. Can lie back and chill. Nothing groundbreaking here. Want to take another pill. Considering. Not tweaking. Woah, serious dry mouth.

11:52 digging music more than normal. in mood for faster tempo, upbeat music. being picky with music too. feel heavy, like DXM. eye twitching again. drinking water sucks. unpleasant to swallow. even just saliva. feel like a big lump in my throat. just caught Swimself jaw cleanching, never done that before on any drug, including amphetamines.

12:01 just took a third pill. slight behavior similar to fiending. want to be higher, only amphetamines really do this to Swim. Reading more, this could also be MBDB. Speculating based on effects. Trying to get comfortable. Trying to relax and enjoy this. Jaw clenching continues, but Swim does not even realize he is doing this. Mild CEV's? Unsure. Waves stabilising. Feeling urges to go pee even though Swim just did less than 5 minutes ago.

12:10 This makes Swim think of a little DXM/alcohol with a mild amphetamine dose. Not too bad, but nothing special. Better than nothing. Stomach feels completely empty. Food is unappealing. Trying to calm down a bit, mellow out. Bit stressed not knowing what to expect. Estimated heart rate is around 100-115bpm. Resting rate is usually 60bpm for Swim. Swim is lying down on his bed with music as he writes. Swim goes to bathroom again, feeling senses a bit more as time passes. Swim's heart rate shot up when he got up. Perhaps around 120-130bpm now? Swim needs to learn to accurately measure bpm. Def. a depressant/downer feel to this, mentally. Physically the opposite though.

12:29 Swim has just been reading, lying down, and listening to slow music. Feel like the good effects are tapering off. There is some type of contentment/euphoria, but it is mild. Swim feels like he has to pee again. Skin feels different still. Almost becoming more sensitive. Swim is mad because he has to be up for class in less than 7 hours. Swim hopes whatever drug he is on does not last too long, or he will be using alprazolam to sleep. Swim's mind could fall asleep, but his body is very much awake. Tweaking and staying up the night sounds like a bad idea. Swim has a full day of stuff to take care of. Two classes and plans with friends midday. Interesting drug.

12:38 hands are still cold. Body temp is def. up. Swim now wonders if he is on PMA due to the slowness of taking effect. Swim regrets taking 3rd pill. Swim is trying to stay calm. Not too hard. Swim feels very hot.

12:46-1:00 Feeling more like this is PMA because of how long it took to take effect. still very upset and worried about PMA. Feel this is almost certainly PMA. Cold sweaty feet. Trying to calm down and ride this out. Drinking water, Drank a shot of water filled with citric acid to try and neutralize the 3rd pill and push out the first two. Thank god Swim decided to not get drunk just before the first two kicked in. Urine has been clear this whole time, to note"

fiveleggedrat added 25 Minutes and 44 Seconds later...

5:21am BP is 158/86, Pulse is 94. Pupil dilation still present. Still rather feverish, like a sunburn type feeling everywhere, esp. on face. Perhaps 99-101F if he had to guess. It's been about 5 1/2 hours since last pill. 9 and 8 hours since the first two. Physical effects slowly fading, but Swim still worries a little. The panic attack is long gone, and so are most of the fears of cooking alive. Swim would love sleep but has to leave for class in 1 1/2 hours. Swim will use multivitamins and glutamine to refresh his body as much as he can. He will also use 5htp supplements later, after this stuff is out of his body moreso. Food with be healthy and natural for the next day or so. Starting to feel physical exhaustion, as in, weak tired body. Swim actually expected a pretty bad comedown/crash from all this, but the worst part was the "peak". Swim feels the aftereffects will be mild. Swim had at most, mild memory issues, and he always gets bad memory issues on amphetamines to note as well. Swim's brain is totally functioning normally though, all previously mentioned things aside. Thoughts are normal, rational. Memory and recall is good. Language skills are still there. Swim thinks he escaped any permanent physical damage. Perhaps Swim will try to go see a doctor in the week for a checkup.

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5:50am Feeling tired and/or sleepy. Before dropping the pills, Swim was pretty much ready for bed. Today is going to be hell. Body starting to hurt. Muscles ache.

fiveleggedrat added 9 Minutes and 12 Seconds later...

6:00am BP is 140/83. Pulse 86.

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6:42 Pupil dilation mostly gone. Temperature after taking a lukewarm shower: 97F. Strange. Is Swim now under temp?

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Re: Help, Swim is worried about PMA OD

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Re: Help, Swim is worried about PMA OD

As of 2:31 pm, temperature feels like its back in a safe range. Was around 97 this morning. BP is 153/88, pulse 95. Swim feels some physical aftereffects still, heart rate has been up consitently this morning. Swim had to cancel going to class after vomiting at about 7:30 (Swim had taken nasty smelling/tasting vitamins. Vomiting subsided after that stuff got out. Swim gets frequent taste/smell related nausea/vomiting too.)


Swim feels like things are getting back to normal. At 8am he visited a friend, took .5mg alprazolam to reduce anxiety and fears of damage to his body. Around 9, the alprazolam was in full effect, and Swim was made VERY sleepy by it. He was not alone, and his friend was aware of what had happened, so she kept watch over him. Swim slept about 4-5 hours. Swim is feeling better. He thinks all the vitamins, glutamine, and all that REALLY helped with the aftereffects (crash/comedown.) Swim's body seems to be returning to normal. Vitals started to really stabilize around 7am. As of 2pm, he feels like he is running a mild fever. He will check as soon as he can. Taking another BP reading now, feels the one earlier was skewed. Second reading is 145/85, pulse 87. Once more, normal resting for Swim is 120/80, pulse 60. Seems to be mellowing out. Swim has been unable to eat all morning but will try very soon. Been staying hydrated too but feeling like swim needs to get more liquids too, dry mouth. Not as bad as last night.

Swim is still traumatized from what happened. He is still very afraid of permanent damage to himself. His brain seems to be intact, but he also worries about organ damage or some type of unknown brain damage. But then again, Swim is being overly paranoid, these types of things don't usually happen to him. He was almost certain he would be in a hospital or be dead. Swim also strongly feels like consuming citric acid/Vitamin C and APAP really did help his body to excrete the drugs quicker/reduce fever.

First time Swim REALLY hates having abnormally high drug half-lifes. 7 hours after last pill dropped, Swim's body was still pretty haywire. 13 hours after last pill, Swim still feels mild body stimulation, slight fever, and increased BP.

Swim is considering whether or not smoking pot is safe to do because he believes it affect blood pressure, but Swim did so on propylhexedrine with no problem, and he believed that drug caused higher BP than the believed PMA. BP is now 142/82, Pulse 90. Peak recorded was around 160/100 with pulse 120, but Swim did not get to take records until after the peak of the negative effects were over.

The alprazolam was far more potent than normal. Swim usually takes at least 1mg to get decent effects, and got similar effects from .5mg this morning. That was around 8am, as of 2:50pm, he no longer feels it. Guessing that the more acidic than normal stomach contents caused it to process quicker. Alprazolam usually lasts about 12 hours on him.

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Re: Help, Swim is worried about PMA OD

Glad SWIY is alright now though.
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Re: Help, Swim is worried about PMA OD

Correction, perusing medical literature, Swim sees marijuana LOWERS blood pressure as opposed to raising it. Swim will smoke later most likely then to help with moderating it. Swim has built up super tolerance to pot again lately, after smoking the past 7 days every day, abnormal for Swim.

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If anyone has any thoughts or recommendations to keep Swim healthy and safe for the next few days, please share. Swim will not consume anything other than low dose alprazolam and marijuana for the next few days, for sure.

Swim'll take respiratory depression and such over boiling alive though.

fiveleggedrat added 3 Minutes and 5 Seconds later...

Swim took another BP reading, 137/76 pulse 88, that sounds much better. Swim had been sitting in place, calm and resting for the past 30 minutes too.

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If something like this ever happens to you, go to a fucking hospital. Don't be an idiot like Swim and just try to ride it out. Swim is also almost certain that the above would have been fatal to most people.

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9:50pm BP 135/74, Pulse 94, Pupil dilation has reappeared (Swim smoked pot and consumed 1mg alprazolam over the day to help with the ridiculous anxiety and fear), Temperature is 98.3F. This has been 22 hours since dropping the last pill. Should Swim still be having raised BP/Pulse/Temp problems? Swim feels like he is still running fever when he touches his head, but everyone he saw today said his head felt normal temperature. Swim will perhaps add .5mg alprazolam to sleep. Hopefully Swim will feel better later. Swim almost had a panic attack while smoking a small amount of pot, relating to fears from earlier. Swim'll post tomorrow.

Is Swim out of the clear? Sure, he needs to abstain from most drugs for a bit and be healthy, and take it easy, but are there any medical problems that could arise? Organ damage of some sort?

Please, if someone could answer the above, it would be VERY helpful. Please put to rest Swim's fears of damage appearing later.

Swim spent the day contacting every single drug user he knows and many who don't use, telling everyone to be careful regarding local X pills and what happened to him. Hopefully someone will take heed.

fiveleggedrat added 18 Minutes and 35 Seconds later...

Swim just found info about how benzos sometime cause pupil dilation. This was unknown to Swim previously. That makes Swim better about the pupil dilation he currently has. Swim will have another .5mg-1mg alprazolam, spaced out evenly to help bring on sleep.

fiveleggedrat added 624 Minutes and 47 Seconds later...

Hello everyone. Swim just woke up from about 10 hours sleep. He feels MUCH better after getting some rest. His temperature is normal (can't measure it at the moment, but his body feels like it normally does, not like a sunburn anymore), BP is 127/72, Pulse 76. MUCH better. He was able to sleep with about .2-.3mg alprazolam in his body from earlier, and did not need help to sleep, even with a 90-something pulse and a good amount of anxiety still.

Swim feels like he is going to be fine now. Vitals are normal, he feels very happy and positive today (going to visit a friend), and jumped out of bed with spunk (abnormal for him, usually takes over an hour to get up, Swim has SEVERE sleeping problems and very abnormal habits regarding sleep, + insomnia.)

Swim wonders why the affereffects lasted so long. Perhaps Swim's continuing severe anxiety through the day kept his BP/Pulse up all day, just not assuming that outright, as it has never happened before.

Swim did all he can to notify everyone in the area about what happened to him.

Here is a total effects list in case anyone wanted it:

Drastic increases in Blood pressure, Heart Rate, Body Temperature WAY up, Perception of Temperature changed, Alcohol like/low dose DXM like intoxication, feeling light/floaty, emotions feel more present, very mild pleasant state at first, taking WELL over 1 hour for any effects, no euphoria, Perception of time changed, After a little bit of anxiety fear set it, multiplied x100, No desire to eat/drink, mild + short lasting nausea, racing thoughts (perhaps just anxiety there), Visual Tinge effect (change in vision, but not drastic. Perhaps feeling like through another lenses, like low dose pot does to you) No visuals, No Hallucinations, No increased color, More aware of music (but not enjoying it any more, to note, just picky with it), jaw clenching, cold feet/hands, sweaty feet/hands, Feeling Up/happy and then down/sad/worried often and noticeably quicker than normal/without a reason

This substance caused Swim's first TRUE panic attack. Swim struggles with BAD anxiety (currently trying to find a doctor who will help, he self-medicates currently), but this was WAY worse than the usual fear/worry/bullshit he deals with.

Swim told his family he had a panic attack (not from any substances, of course! They think he is clean since he moved in with them. They know he was a heavy consumer of drugs when he lived on his own.) and now they are afraid of him, like he is going to sometime randomly get violent and hurt them or himself, they are afraid to leave him home alone, but for all the wrong reasons. When Swim spoke with his mother on anxiety issues, she asked him if he needed to be committed to a mental health institute rather seriously. Not going to get any help there

Much love everyone.

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Re: Help, Swim is worried about PMA OD

I think this thread serves as a warning to many. Hopefully people will read this and take heed. Thanks for all the updates fiveleggedrat, it has made an interesting read despite the serious and unfortunate nature of the thread.
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Re: Help, Swim is worried about PMA OD

Thank you, that's the reason Swim focused on keeping it as detailed and in-depth as possible. He figures this type of thing will happen to someone else, and that others could benefit to learn from his mistake and bad experience.

Hopefully this will serve as a warning to some.

Swim's now developed nightmares related to this whole thing, where he dreams of it happening again. Also, Swim's heart rate has constantly been around 80-90 over the past few days. He thinks the anxiety he has been dealing with lately, mostly from this experience, is keeping his body constantly stressed. Swim is much more nervous than normal lately too. Swim's heart rate usually is 60. Swim has MUCH trouble getting calm...Every time he smokes marijuana, he tends to be much more nervous/on edge/paranoid, which he lost after getting a tolerance. Now he is tolerant and still freaks out, which completely sucks.

Swim sadly has nothing around to help with his anxiety. He has been breaking up 2mg alprazolam into as-needed doses. So far, only used 1mg over the past few days. Swim currently has low tolerances to benzos, to note. This experience taught Swim more about the nature of fear and anxiety, but has way too many other negatives.
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Re: Help, Swim is worried about PMA OD

Everyone once in a while even the experienced need a short sharp shock to give them a little reality check in my opinion.

Not sure if this would work for SWIY, but my little fishy finds that a few beers resolve any stress or anxiety issues. Not for everyone, just an idea...
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Re: Help, Swim is worried about PMA OD

Agree with you there, this is Swim's biggest and worst reality check, at least in the drug world. Swim knows things like this aren't always 100% negative. Just, about, oh, 98%.

Swim is more afraid of a drug death than a death by regular physical means as well.

Yeah, Swim does not touch alcohol really, but has decided to start experimenting with it. Personally hate the stuff. Benzos do wonders for Swim but still in the process of getting a doctor to prescribe. (keep getting doctors who want Swim on antidepressants, come the fuck on. Already experimented with them to medicinal standards, they don't help.)

Pot helps, but Swim lives in a house of "Just Say No" type people. Smoking would be a big no-no, so he has to only where none are around, which is rare, and pot anxiety issues are common lately.
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Re: Help, Swim is worried about PMA OD

Little fishy doesn't use benzos (due to lack of availability) or pot (don't want to smoke), so alcohol is the only option for him. A little alcohol is all that is sometimes required to take the edge off though.
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Re: Help, Swim is worried about PMA OD

Lucky

Benzos are rare for Swim too. Eh, nasty tasting/smelling dirt weed is cheap and plentiful in his area, and pot usually works for both anxiety (usually), physical aches/pains, headaches/stomachaches, etc, and is recreational without being physically addictive.

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