Effects - Pains?

[bob2k8]

Swim first started to take GBL about eight weeks ago and took it every day for about two weeks, and he noticed that his kidneys started to hurt (quite a similar pain to stanzonol), so he decided to convert his GBL to NaGHB using the well known method form this forum. When he started to take the course of GHB the pains went away, but over the last week or so the pains have started back? the Ph is nutral? Swim is confused?

Swim has been taking a lot the last two weeks (it was supposed to used for training) but he has gone from using it just after training to using it 24/7. it's also effected his sleeping patterns too, He spoke to his mate, who has been taking GHB for about five years, and he said that no matter how much and how long a person takes it Swim should not be getting any pains.

Could a Swim please advise a Swim. Has the abuse of GHB resulted in the pains?

[MrG]

Kidney pain is not normally associated with NaGHB use but, then again, NaGHB research usually only covers pharmacological dosing regimen, not 24/7 addict dosing.

Firstly, SWIY has to accept he needs to come off his 24/7 use, does he accept that?

Secondly, a user who has fallen into using 24/7 will be ingesting quite a large amount of sodium on a regular basis so that might well be a factor in his kidney pain. Initially he will need to ensure that he is drinking plenty of water throughout the day, not a stupid amount now, but a good enough amount to keep him hydrated. That should help with the pains.

Although it must be said that a public forum is not the place to seek medical advice and one should, instead, be thinking about visiting their GP.

In the meantime, SWIY would do well to read through the GHB forum and get acquainted with the facts about his situation. There are a number of threads discussing both GHB and GBL addiction and subsequent withdrawal, as well as research information regarding GHB.

Gbl/GHB withdrawal
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63363

GHB and sleep issues
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66316

Canadian SBD research information on Xyrem (GHB) as well as references to GBL
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26372

[bob2k8]

Swim accepts that he REALLY NEEDS! to come off 24/7 dosing. Swim has been drugged up to his eye balls for weeks now (20+ grammes a day of this stuff).

Swim is going to have three days off, then he is going to use it as it was intended for training and that's it! Swim has had his fun and and it's time for a reality check. thanks Mr G.

Would a couple of joints of weed help a Swim through the withdrawal stages, or would it be best to go cold turkey?

[MrG]

SWIY should read through the addiction posts by Kanthor in that link, it was a very straightforward withdrawal and with the minimum of fuss.

TBH I don't see the benefit in taking GHB straight after training. The amounts that can be safely taken during the day without being overtly intoxicating would not stimulate much GH release.

It would probably make most sense to look into the sleep dosing for getting the most GH release at the optimum time, during the night when SWIY is asleep and his body is repairing and building the muscle.

This is simply one 4.5g dose taken at bedtime and another 4.5g taken four hours later. This can be maintained seven nights a week with no tolerance or withdrawal issues, as proven by the Xyrem research.

Read through those links and they should answer most questions.

[kimotag]

The salt content could possibly be a problem for some people, particularly if their kidneys were overstressed from heavy GBL use previously.

[bob2k8]

Originally Posted by kimotag

The salt content could possibly be a problem for some people, particularly if their kidneys were overstressed from heavy GBL use previously.

I think that was the problem, too much stress on the kidneys, swim was taking a lot of gbl before swithching to ghb. Swim has been a good boy these last few weeks and has occasionally taken ghb and the effects have gone.