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ACMD MDMA (ecstasy) Review
The Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs (ACMD) invites members of the public to an MDMA (ecstasy) evidence gathering meeting on the morning of Friday 26th September 2008 as part of its MDMA (ecstasy) review. You have to complete a registration form if you wish to participate (this can be found on their site; just scroogle "ACMD review on MDMA").
This from the official home office website: The Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs (ACMD) invites members of the public to an MDMA (ecstasy) evidence gathering meeting on the morning of Friday 26th September 2008 as part of its MDMA (ecstasy) review. At the meeting members of the ACMD and attendees will hear evidence from a range of experts in the field relating to the harms of MDMA use. At the end of the morning session there will be an opportunity for attendees to put questions to the council. The ACMD is a statutory and non-executive non-departmental public body, established by the Misuse of Drugs Act (MDA) 1971. The ACMD has a statutory duty to keep under review the situation in the United Kingdom with respect to the misuse of drugs and to advise ministers of the measures which they consider should to be taken to deal with social problems arising from drug misuse. In addition, the ACMD has a duty to consider any matter relating to drug dependence or misuse that may be referred to them by ministers. The Home Secretary is obliged by law to consult the ACMD before laying Orders or making regulations. Attending the meeting The meeting will be held in central London (specific timings and location to be confirmed). A provisional agenda for the meeting will be available on the ACMD website in due course. Attendance is free but by registration only as places are limited. Places will be issued on a first come, first served basis. To register to attend please complete the registration form and email it to ACMD@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk Contact ACMD Secretariat 3rd Floor (SW Quarter) Seacole Building 2 Marsham Street London SW1P 4DF Tel: 020 7035 0454 |
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Re: ACMD MDMA (ecstasy) Review
Ummm great,because our fine government always listens to the ACMD.
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True, you can almost see the ACMD coming up with a plan to downgrade the status of MDMA and that then being completely rejected by the government, but this is all about exposure. This is a chance to get arguments aired in a public forum. The media can be utilised by both sides. |
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Re: ACMD MDMA (ecstasy) Review
What's the point in downgrading MDMA? It won't affect who uses it, i guess dealers and users get off slightly lighter but it won't make the drug any safer, it needs to be legalized so it isn't mixed with loads of other shit, downgrading won't help this.
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Re: ACMD MDMA (ecstasy) Review
Transform have submitted a briefing to the ACMD review of the classification of ecstasy. A copy of the 10 page PDF is now in the Drug Policy section of the file archive.
For those who may not have the time to peruse the full document, the inoduction, summary and conclusions are given below: Introduction and summary Transform’s response to the ACMD’s review of ecstasy operates at two levels. At one level, in the short term at least, we welcome the review as a long overdue response to the many calls for the seemingly anomalous classification of ecstasy to be reviewed. From Transform’s perspective any reduction in unjust criminal penalties for consenting adult drug users is a positive step. At a more profound level, however, we remain deeply concerned that regardless of alphabetic classification, ecstasy will remain illegal, its users will still be subject to serious criminal sanctions, and the control of its production and supply will remain in the hands of unregulated criminal profiteers. Over the past ten years Transform has argued that the absolute prohibition of drugs in the face of sustained demand inevitably leads to the creation of illicit markets that not only maximise the dangers of drugs for their users but also create a raft of secondary harms to society relating to the organized criminal networks and unregulated dealers who control the trade. There is no evidence that punitive law and its enforcement has anything other than, at best, a marginal impact on levels of drug use or misuse despite the fact that the deterrent effect of the laws’ enforcement is nominally at the heart of the entire prohibitionist model. The model is unique in the public health field in deploying criminal sanctions to reduce social and health harms. It is also uniquely ineffective. Ecstasy provides an instructive example, its use exploding in the late 80’s from almost zero in 1985 to around 2 million pills being consumed every weekend by the end of the decade, peaking in the 90’s and then falling gradually since the turn of the millennium. During this entire period ecstasy use was Class A and enforcement has not changed significantly. The recent decline in ecstasy use appears to be due to shifting youth culture, with the rise in cocaine use (also Class A for the entire period) evidently filling the void. How ecstasy is classified has been largely irrelevant but, Transform argues, the fact that it is classified within the MDA at all has had profound and dangerous implications. It is hard to imagine any scenario under which harms could be maximised further, and as such any recommendation for ecstasy’s classification maintains its absolute prohibition within the MDA and effectively perpetuates prohibition’s role in maximizing the harms associated with its production, supply and use. This briefing explores the problems evaluating the harms of illicit ecstasy use, as well as the opportunity such a review presents to compare harms associated with illicit and licit use. It also considers the extraordinary political environment in which policy responses to ecstasy have emerged, and the Government’s unashamed anti-science posturing on the issue. It concludes that any review of the harm of ecstasy, or indeed any illegal drug, is essentially pointless if no distinction is made between harms caused by the drug and those created and or exacerbated by its illegality. Transform has been calling for the ACMD to work at disaggregating policy harms from drug harms for some years now, maintaining that the ACMD’s continued explicit support for the criminalisation of drug production, supply and use (and failure to explore alternative regulatory options) makes them part of the problem instead of being part of the solution. Given the dramatic failure of the existing system and its appalling negative consequences (in both public health and criminal justice arenas) it is absolutely imperative that the ABC classification system itself, and the legislative framework of the MDA 1971 in which it sits, is the subject of the Advisory Council’s expert scrutiny. Conclusions and recommendations
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Government drug advisers begin review of ecstasy's class A status
Yay! Best piece of news I've read in ages!
The government's drug advisers will begin a review of the classification of ecstasy next week, raising the prospect that the drug could be downgraded from class A. Ecstasy remains the third most popular illicit drug in Britain, with 5% of young adults aged 16 to 24 saying they have used it in the last year. The decision by the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs (ACMD), chaired by Professor Michael Rawlins, to review the legal status of ecstasy follows a report by the Commons science and technology committee two years ago recommending urgent action. The case for downgrading it gathered pace after a landmark Police Foundation inquiry chaired by Viscountess Runciman in 2000, which argued for it to be moved to class B. The inquiry found the best estimates of the toxicity of ecstasy suggested it was several thousand times less dangerous than heroin and was probably involved in fewer than 10 deaths a year. The MPs heard evidence from Professor Colin Blakemore, then chief executive of the Medical Research Council, that ecstasy was "at the bottom of the scale of harm" and "on the basis of present evidence ... should not be a class A drug". This view was confirmed by Professor David Nutt, the incoming chairman of the ACMD, in evidence to the MPs and in a Lancet paper last year in which he, Blakemore, Dr Leslie King of the Forensic Science Service and William Saulsbury of the Police Foundation argued that alcohol and tobacco were more dangerous than cannabis, LSD and ecstasy. Nutt said last year that young people already knew ecstasy was relatively safe, so making it a class A drug made a mockery of the entire ABC classification system. "The whole harm reduction message disappears because people say, 'They are lying'," he said. "Let's treat people as adults, tell them the truth and hopefully work with them to minimise its use," he was quoted as saying last March. The ACMD is to hold a special evidence session next Friday during which it will hear the latest data on the drug's neuropsychological effects and its toxicity. The number of recent ecstasy-related deaths will also be reviewed in the context of other drug fatalities. The ACMD is not expected to produce a final recommendation until next year but the past record of its leading members suggests it is likely to recommend that it should be downgraded from class A to B. However, such a move is likely to be blocked by ministers, raising a prospect of a rerun of their decision on cannabis. The home secretary, Jacqui Smith, made clear earlier this summer that the cabinet intends to override an ACMD recommendation on cannabis and move the drug back to class B from class C. Possession of ecstasy, as a class A drug, carries a maximum seven-year jail term while dealing can result in a life sentence. Drugs minister Vernon Coaker has made clear the government believes it should remain in class A but said he would consider any ACMD recommendation. Transform, the drugs legalisation campaign, argues in its submission to the review that it is a distraction from the fundamental flaws in the overall classification system, which it regards as "harmful and counterproductive". Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...ol.drugspolicy |
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Re: Government drug advisers begin review of ecstasy's class A status
Its a shame the government doesnt listen to these drug experts really as this would be great news! Alas Stalin Brown and his comrades will probably just ignore this report as well as any other report that doesnt fit in with their ideologies. Its a shame really as even the Conservative party seem to take the same stance that all drugs are evil and you should be hung drawn and quartered for even considering taking them! The only party that seem to have a rational view towards drugs is the Green party. And they got as much chance of running the UK as i have of winning the elections!!
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Re: ACMD MDMA (ecstasy) Review
That's the great thing about cynicism.......you're always right.
Big Vern,is already saying that there's absolutely NO CHANCE of a lessening in e's classification,no matter what the ACMD finds. You gotta love the drug war. |
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Re: Government drug advisers begin review of ecstasy's class A status
More people die every year in the UK from swallowing bee's that have flown into cans.
Judging by the govenments attitude, whats the solution to the problem of killer canned drinks? Make all canned beverages a class A substance, and put people in prison for drinking out of the killer cans. Thats the only way. |
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This is extremely interesting, because this is not just about the UK. After the publication in the Lancet, there have been talks in parliaments of other countries, like the Netherlands.
The Dutch are going to do a similar review of their classification. Though I doubt that this will be a good thing with the current government. But if the review is ready when a more social government is in place, then this may have some good effects. |
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I think that its highly likely that MDMA will be legalised for therapy in the coming years. And possibly downgraded to class B. Some of the the army has started using it for soldiers with PTSD. And some media outlets, instead of venting their usual rage at this occurence, seemed quite open to this treatment.
I cant post links yet being the newbie i am, but you can find the article published in the times by googling this: "Ecstasy is the key to treating PTSD" Now thats a headline I'd never thought I'd see in a mainstream news outlet. And the independant, which is even more liberal, have a good article about that actually suggests legalization is a good idea following comments by a leading police cheif, under the title: "The Big Question: How dangerous is Ecstasy, and is there a case to review its legal status?" |
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The headline and opening lines are all wrong. Ecstasy is not really MDMA. It perhaps should be but in practice often isn't. Quote:
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Sophie Morris: Can we calm down about Ecstasy
The article above and the one here from The Independent are one of the reasons why the exercise is not a waste of time. It's all about changing perceptions and there has to be a general shift in the perception of the populous before actual change can take place. None of this is going to happen overnight.
Anyway, this is from The Independent (article link): Sophie Morris: Can we calm down about Ecstasy The 50,000 people who spent last weekend expanding their minds and sensory perceptions on ecstasy will probably have missed the news that the drug might soon be reclassified from A down to B. The fact that it is officially considered one of the most dangerous drugs on the streets of Britain has most likely escaped them too, for if the after-effects of a night taking ecstasy gave even a hint to users that it should be ranked alongside heroin, they would probably have stuck to the vodka and tonics. Those convicted of possession of ecstasy face up to seven years' imprisonment and dealing could confer a life sentence; the point of the archaic classification system being to match the punishment with the harm caused by the drug, something it fails to do. "Harm" here means the harm caused to the person taking that drug, not those around them. The charity DrugScope says that, "after taking ecstasy users may feel very tired and low and need a long period of sleep to recover" and that regular use could lead to sleep problems, lack of energy, dietary problems, depression and anxiety. There are also fears that we are sitting on a timebomb generation of potential Parkinson's sufferers, yet the acid house crew are pushing on a bit now, and there is little evidence that they are unravelling. Ecstasy is not an addictive drug and it is already eight years since a Police Foundation inquiry found it to be several thousand times less dangerous than heroin and to play a part in fewer than 10 deaths per year. Ever since the tragic death of Leah Betts in 1995, though, it has been difficult to shake ecstasy's reputation as a killer. The dangers of ecstasy should not be underestimated. It can lead both directly and indirectly to death, and the associated and cumulative negative effects it can have on the health of users are potentially serious. Yet they pale in comparison with the consequences of alcohol and tobacco abuse. When he was chief executive of the Medical Research Council, Professor Colin Blakemore said ecstasy was "at the bottom of the scale of harm", a view which has since been corroborated by other leading experts in science, medicine and the police service. In concentrating on the health fall-out of drugs, Home Office classifications short-sightedly ignore the social impact of drug use (though ministers are pushing for such consequences to be considered), rendering the system as arbitrary as when it was introduced under the 1971 Misuse of Drugs Act. Does anyone remember the one about the clubber who was so blissed out on ecstasy that he started a fight on a bus and stabbed an innocent bystander? What about the group of lads who each necked a handful of pills and gang raped a fellow raver? Or the party-goer who stands accused of date rape and is using the fact that he took ecstasy with his accuser as a defence? Then there's the woman who broke into her own parents home and stole and pawned her mother's jewellery to fund her ecstasy habit. Of course you haven't heard any such tales, because ecstasy does not lead to the sort of violent and aggressive behaviour that alcohol does, nor does it develop into a dependency which users turn to crime to fund. Professor David Nutt, the incoming chairman of the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs, has admitted that young people know that ecstasy is "relatively" safe. Pretending any different undermines having any classification system at all, where one is much needed. </EM> |
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You can bet you ass that many of those journalists who do report badly on drugs probably use a few lines of cocaine in a trendy wine bar at the end of their day. |
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It's a step in the right direction. Swim has not taken 'ecstasy' or should I say MDMA for about 8 years not coz he don't want to but, coz you can't get any decent quality anymore. In the early 90's the quality of Swim's pills were such that they we're £20 a pop but, lasted ALL night.
The simple fact is MDMA alone has not killed anyone (to my knowledge) its been other substances cut in MDMA or the fact the user has drank too much water and effectivly 'drowned' themselves. If this was to be made legal and sold they could make sure the dose was correct and also issue users with a leaflet to tell them what to do and what not to do. Unfortunately this won't happen. SWIM has taken 1,000's of the buggers and considers himself totally of the same sanity and mindset as he was before swim took MDMA. In a perfect World ALL Drugs would be legal, freedom of choice. Unfortunately we don't live in a perfect World. Last edited by Heretic.Ape.; 23-09-2008 at 00:14. |
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Re: ACMD MDMA (ecstasy) Review
did not the amcd advise the uk govenment to keep canabis as class c, instead they re-rased it to class b. though swim thinks it's good there talking swim doubt's they will listern. is there still a drug's zar in uk?
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The UK Drugs Policy Commission says classifying illegal drugs on a “danger scale” of classes A, B or C needs to be overhauled because they do not affect drug use.
The news comes ahead of a meeting this Friday when the Home Office’s independent Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs will discuss whether to downgrade ecstasy from class A. Ecstasy remains the third most popular illicit drug in Britain, with five per cent of young adults aged 16 to 24 saying they have used it in the last year. The council, which is made up of 21 academics and drugs experts, provides advice to Governments on illegal drug use and is expected to recommend downgrading the drug from A to B. Reports from the Police Foundation in 2000, the Commons Home Affairs Committee in 2002 and the Commons Science and Technology Committee in 2006 have all favoured the move. However the Commission warned the council in a submission that Home Secretary Jacqui Smith is likely to over-rule any decision to downgrade, in a re-run of the row over cannabis earlier this year. Then, the council's recommendation that cannabis should remain a class C drug was ignored by Miss Smith who decided to reclassify the drug on health grounds. The Commission says: “The UKDPC does not want to second-guess the council’s final conclusions about ecstasy. However were it to recommend a lower classification then it is not unreasonable to anticipate a political response to that with cannabis.” The Commission was heavily critical of what it describes as the “increased polticisation” of drugs’ classification. Roger Howard, Chief Executive, UK Drug Policy Commission, told The Daily Telegraph yesterday: “The purpose and operation of the drug classification system has become increasingly confused amongst politicians and the public in recent years. “The time has come for an independent wholesale review of the system to clarify how a scientific rating of drug harms should be used for drug classifications and for wider applications such as setting policing priorities or public health messages.” Members of the commission include the chairman Dame Ruth Runciman, a former council member who chaired a Police Foundation inquiry which argued for ecstasy to be moved to class B seven years ago, Professor Colin Blakemore, the former chief executive of the Medical Research Council and David Blakey, a former Chief Constable and HM inspector of constabulary. The council is expected to make its decision on ecstasy next year. Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...perts-say.html |
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Re: Drugs classification should be scrapped, experts say
This is very interesting.
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Re: ACMD MDMA (ecstasy) Review
A new entry has been added to the file archive (thanks KomodoMK). It is the UK Drug Policy Commision's (UKDPC) submission to the ACMD review on the classification of Ecstasy). It takes a slightly different approach in that they feel they can add little in the way of evidence specific to ecstasy, but they are rather more concerned with :
"the recent debate over the issue of cannabis classification and the subsequent decision by the Government to reject the Advisory Council’s advice to purpose of the classification system and the ways by which “harm” is assessed."keep cannabis in Class C raises a range of deeper questions about drug policy than simply which class a drug should be placed in. For example, it challenges the role of expert advisory bodies and the analysis of scientific evidence in the formulation of policy. It also demonstrates a lack of clarity and understanding in some quarters about the It makes interesting reading. Here is the link: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/loc...id=105&id=5924 |
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Wishful thinking in my opinion. Would be nice though, especially as the media is so powerful, even if it is only because the majority of the world population is so gullible and believes everything they read.
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Re: ACMD MDMA (ecstasy) Review
Another new entry to the file archive:
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/loc...id=105&id=5928 Release submission for ecstasy reclassification reviewWritten Evidence to the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs (ACMD) as part of its review of the classification of Ecstasy September 2008. 4-page PDF. Like the UKDPC submission, they also concentate on drug classification and the law as a whole (although they do provide some evidence specific to MDMA). |
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