Pharmacology - has swim had any gbl shipment seizures? and seizure letters?

[papapugbear]

Any experienced you have had a dream of last night?

[Lobsang]

Well I am not sure what you mean. In the USA y0u do not want to be ordering any GBL at all. It would probably end up in more than a seizure letter. It is schedule 1 I am pretty sure and one does not want to mess with that. So SWIM how the hell is Alaska? What town are you in? I lived there many years. I want to go back home. You are lucky to live there.

[saline29]

Swim the rabbit ordered twice from Europe into North America and it came just fine 500ml each time in one month. Shittin bricks though. His brother, the monkey, ordered 1liter not to long after, and it came. Swim will never order the shit again, just for the sheer panic of doing it and having to sign for it, which is inescapable; talk about being paranoid.

saline29 added 1 Minutes and 32 Seconds later...

Swim can look for 1, 4 Butanediol though, and it is legal in some of the States. Check swiy's State! Swim knows they sell it on a site through Alabama, and swim purchased 32 oz of it, and it came just fine.

[G_Wiz]

Swim ordered 500ml of gbl from the UK a few months ago, and it arrived within 10 days, two packages mailed separately. Swim was nervous, and it's unlikely he'll do it again. But Swim knows others who've used the same source many times over, and with no problem. Swim's looking for a less stressful route.

[G_Wiz]

Swim is wondering how risky ordering wheel cleaner from Eurpoe is? What if his wheels are really dirty and need something effective to remove the grime. Wouldn't it have to be proved that swim is in fact using it for some other use, and that can be hard to prove, especially if swim only buys a small quantity (1000ml or less), and keeps it in the trunk of his car?

[MrG]

I find it hard to believe that somebody wouldn't fully grasp the understanding that, in the US, importation and possession of GBL immediately makes them a date-raping druggy monster.

The US has a habit of treating 1ml of GBL as a dose, to the point that, in seizing 1L of GBL, the court is informed that the defendant had enough date-rape chemical for 1,000 doses. Do you see the picture being painted in the judge's mind?

It doesn't matter what excuses SWIY could give, after all, SWIY is a date-raping monster, of course he'd keep it in the trunk of his car, he's driving around in order to slip 1ml into some virginal prom-queen's soda without her being able to tell right?

Because, even according to the UK ACMD, GBL is an odourless, tasteless liquid. Right?

Ok, that's just stupid, SWIM knows and SWIY knows that GBL is in no way tasteless and could not be added to a drink without being noticed but, hey, who cares about the facts, SWIY is a druggy monster, that is why he kept it in his car and that is why he is gonna get 10-20 years as a guest of the local freedom restriction corporation.

[G_Wiz]

Another thing: as far as swim can tell, GBL is not a scheduled substance in the US. Can anyone clarify this? And if it is simply a "watched" substance, how closely is it "watched" and what does this mean?

[Alfa]

A really good question, that really needs a separate thread. Also the tag see: watched chemicals

[MrG]

http://www.khlaw.com/showpublication.aspx?Show=1075

Synopsis: On October 10, 2003, the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) established a zero kilogram threshold for domestic, export, and import transactions of GBL ("zero-threshold rule"), while exempting certain large single GBL transactions from DEA record-keeping requirements. The rule has no impact on mixtures that contain GBL.

[blackwolf]

Originally Posted by MrG

http://www.khlaw.com/showpublication.aspx?Show=1075

Synopsis: On October 10, 2003, the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) established a zero kilogram threshold for domestic, export, and import transactions of GBL ("zero-threshold rule"), while exempting certain large single GBL transactions from DEA record-keeping requirements. The rule has no impact on mixtures that contain GBL.

So if a wheel cleaner, cryoacetate debonder or graffiti remover was a mixture containing GBL and lets say 10% of some sort of alcohol ( ethanol, iso, methanol, ect), it would be exempt from the zero kilogram domestic, export and import rule? Thus taking it back into a legal area? Swin remembers around 4-6 years ago when a person from the US was advertising a nail-polish remover which was a mixture of GBL and ethanol. Swin never ordered, and they stopped advertising ( the main person involved seemed to disappear from the internets as well), but it seems like it would then be legal, unless proof could be made it was to be used in a manner other then removing nail polish or the use stated on the package.

Edit....
Oh man, what a lame 100th post. I was planning on adding a trip report of something exotic for my 100th. Oh well

[G_Wiz]

Originally Posted by MrG

Synopsis: On October 10, 2003, the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) established a zero kilogram threshold for domestic, export, and import transactions of GBL ("zero-threshold rule"), while exempting certain large single GBL transactions from DEA record-keeping requirements. The rule has no impact on mixtures that contain GBL.

So why isn't it a scheduled substance?

[Pondlife]

There are many legitimate industrial uses, and making it a scheduled substance would cause problems for those people who use it in a legitimate manner.

So they put a zero kilogram limit on it, with an exception for shipments about 4,000Kg.

Establishment of a Threshold for Gamma-Butyrolactone

AGENCY: Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), Justice.

ACTION: Final rule.

SUMMARY: On October 24, 2001, DEA published a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking titled "Establishment of a Threshold for Gamma- Butyrolactone'' (66 FR 53746) that proposed a zero kilogram threshold and the exemption of transactions of 16,000 kilograms (net weight) or more in a single container. This final rule establishes a zero kilogram threshold for domestic, export, and import transactions of gamma- butyrolactone (GBL) and excludes from the definition of a "regulated transaction'' all transactions of 4,000 kilograms (net weight) or more in a single container. The DEA is reducing the weight required for exclusion from what was proposed in response to a comment that showed that transactions of 4,000 kilograms or more in a single container are not likely to be diverted.

EFFECTIVE DATE: This final rule is effective October 10, 2003.

[Laudaphun]

SWIM is still really confused about how this drug ever got labeled as a date rape drug. SWIM bought a bottle of GBL on 2 separate occasions, not real long before it was made illegal (or was it scheduled only). Actually it was perfectly legal at the time SWIM had it in her possession so no law was broken. GBL was mixxed with NaOH, pH balanced, and this produced... what? Na-GHB? Apparently there are other ways to make this? All SWIM knows is that before it was made scheduled in the U.S. this stuff was VERY potent when created in this manner. AND there was no possible way to mask the absolutely horrid salt flavor. SWIM remembers trying to dilute it in a can of soda and instead of having a few mL or whatever the dose was (it was a long time ago) of salt water, it just made the entire can of soda taste that way. In hindsight, SWIM might have enjoyed the stuff if not for the taste, which she never found a way to mask. So unless there is some other way people make it that does not taste so foul, SWIM has no clue how anyone could possibily consume this and not realize it.

[runitsthepolice]

It's scheduled in several states, such as florida. I believe erowid has a list of states that have made it illegal ill check.

Erowid says it is illegal in California, Hawaii, New York, Oklahoma, and Oregon. It's definitely scheduled in florida and probably other states too. In FL there are certain exceptions but none are for even relatively pure GBL in the hands of a consumer.