Opinions - Should Swim (a male teenager) drop acid?

[adLriSanD]

swim took acid the first time at the age of 15 and has done it many times since i say if you feel ready then you should go for it

adLriSanD added 1 Minutes and 31 Seconds later...

i didnt see that last post lol sorry

but hope you had fun on your trip

[mrk1933]

no comment

[killosaurus]

Hey people,
I just wanna thank you all for the response i got on the thread, I really appreciate it!

So i know it has been a while but im writing to say swim finally dropped acid! It was an overall positive experience, if a bit overwhelming!

Some friends and swim were sick of a lack of opportunities to drop acid and they decided to go camping to do it.
A party of 5 ventured out into the wilderness and we set up camp.

swim and a friend were intitially planning to drop on the second or third night of camping but unforseen events pushed the drop forward to the first night.
swim dropped at about 9pm and started to come up at around 10. the experience was disorientating but really euphoric.
A recurring image throughout the trip was of a dancing tribal woman in the patterns of trees and tent fabric etc.
The psyconauts restricted their explorations to a tent for some of the trip in an attempt to sleep, but this proved futile.

At around 9am swim made a decision that essentially proved to be a mistake.
swim smoked budder (look it up on wikipedia, because i can't post links) and this intensified the remaining acid trip to a great degree.
swim began to babble and laugh incoherantly, so much so that swim began to weep in exhaustion.
swim was not really sad or scared but rather just really fucking overwhelmed and tired so this emotional breakdown didn't prove to be any real problem after swim had come down and slept a bit.

Swim learned something about psychedelics and his own mind.

Swim looks forward to incorperating this trip into his view of life in general and will treat hallucinogens with more respect and reverance in future.

Thanks for all the help and advice guys, I found all of it to be insightful and thoughtful.
killosaurus

[Songcycle67]

I think your power to speak your opinion on the subject is absolutely warranted. In fact I understand exactly where you're coming from. SWIM didn't wait til he was 20, he just didn't find a good, clean connection until then. If he had found it at sixteen, he would've probably taken your advice and done the same thing as the OP. He was very educated on the subject and wonderfully enticed by the romanticism of it all. A head to the core.

I also agree that your view is definitely more appropriate in this situation; the poster seems mature and educated. But I also agree with Pingo, SWIM has seen many of his friends get hooked into taking regular high doses of the stuff. At first it's wonderful, but it quickly turns into headaches and regular bad trips. Most of them came back to reality eventually, but some of them stayed in the twilight zone. It's for this reason that I cannot condone the use of such a strange and powerful substance, a substance that even its creator could not fully comprehend, to individuals more prone to abuse. It's basically assisted-psychosis if it's abused, and the fact is that younger people stand at more risk for abuse than mature individuals.


That doesn't mean that it doesn't rule hard to be 16.

[mrk1933]

i think we have met our middle ground in views on this subject. i understand where u are coming from also. although personally i have not experienced any of my friends becoming mentally unstable. although i have seen many people change substantially after their use of LSD. some in good ways and unfortunately some in bad ways. but again i appreciate u trying to look at things in my shoes.

[cra$h]

when swim was a teenager, he changed BEFORE he tried LSD. He became like a hybrid Tim Leary/Jim Morrison. If anyone's seen the Doors movie, swim would walk just like Jim, very melodic and fluid, speaking only words of wisdom. Just being engulfed into the acid culture could change you, just as much as the experience.

[mrk1933]

well put CRA$H.
U have a nice way of wording things.
U sumed it up shorter and clearer than anyone could put it.

[cra$h]

Originally Posted by mrk1933

well put CRA$H.
U have a nice way of wording things.
U sumed it up shorter and clearer than anyone could put it.

Thank you. I really appriciate it, and wish almost more than anything that more people would think of me like this.

Another way to look at the whole age issue is that isn't your mind constantly developing? From birth to death, we learn almost every second of our lives, and just because you're developing faster when you're 16 vs. 30 it means an experience shouldn't happen? Those in the drug culture who are in their teens would probably react to something like LSD than someone who's been out of the game for a while. Plus kids have to consider every moment they spend, and how it could go wrong. And anyone that doses LSD for the 1st time will have every moment planned, making sure in every detail that people like their parents can't reach them, and how to prevent a freakout.

[gardis]

i think if the kid has done his research and knows what potentially could happen he should most definitely go ahead and try it, to say the mind is developing is a bunch of crap if u ask me. many people have achieved great things before the age of 16 sure some are not that bright according to schooling systems, but who says that means there mind is not developed? maybe people just are not interested in what they are learning and would like to find other ways to enhance there mind such as doing a bit of acid. i think age restrictions are one of the big things that create alcoholics/smokers in our society, the restriction is acting more or less like a privilege and once someone becomes of age people think they are, in some cases, obligated to do things they sometimes do not even care for. i know some people become alcoholics and what not before 21 or w/e age but there are definitely people who fall into my category. what i am trying to say is age should almost NEVER be an issue, there are exceptions of course.(people who say, "I'M GONNA DO ACID AND GET REALLY F*CKED UP)

[mondaybar]

I tried LSD for the first time when i was 16 and i certainly do not regret it. It was probably one of the most exciting experiences i'v had in my late teens.

[RaverHippie]

I forgot how irritating this thread was to read for all the stubbornness present. It only got worse since the last time I read it.

Originally Posted by mondaybar

I tried LSD for the first time when i was 16 and i certainly do not regret it. It was probably one of the most exciting experiences i'v had in my late teens.

Please keep the rules in mind when posting, anecdotes can still qualify as incriminating material.

[cra$h]

what makes it irritating? I've found it to make a great discussion.

[Songcycle67]

Originally Posted by cra$h

what makes it irritating? I've found it to make a great discussion.

Ditto. And I'd also add that Raver's post added nothing informative to the thread. If it irritates you, don't read it. There are a lot of people out there who could benefit from this information and I think it's a perfectly valid topic and most of the responses have been articulate and well formed on both sides.

[RaverHippie]

Originally Posted by cra$h

what makes it irritating? I've found it to make a great discussion.

my post was originally intended just to warn the poster above my post about self-incrimination. The other comment was the stubbornness of those my age not really accepting that a psychedelic drug at a young age can be a bad thing. It just seemed like they put it completely out of the realm of possibility and used the defense "it didn't happen to SWIM so that's the only evidence I'll use to create my judgment on the matter"

Usually I keep my ideas on close-mindedness to myself but I wasn't in a good mood the night I made the post a few days ago

[Felix Guattari]

No one has mentioned the fact that the questioner is already familiar with quite a few substances, most of which are pharmacologically, and even psychologically, much less innocuous.

No one is ever really entirely prepared for anything; SWiM's first acid adventures were fairly weak. Acid isn't just an ego-solvent, ego death can happen at any time, and often does in sober life. There's no way to know. Doing acid is just a bit like russian roulette, but so is everything else of any significance.

[Stephenwolf]

what's odd about this thread is that normally when someone posts that they are under 18, everyone floods in mentioning they are too young, and they end up banned within a few days, this post set is very old at this point. AND it has gone through and done one of the things that cause there to be an age limit rule and SUGGEST drug use to a minor(even one who DOES know what he's doing)

[Cantthinkofaname]

In SWIM's opinion, nobody under the age of 18 should really be thinking about taking a strong psychedelic such as LSD. The people who have said you are still developing your own personality and ego are correct; you don't really have a true sense of your own identity at your age (although you would argue otherwise, being a typical teenager I suppose you think YOU know best haha) SWIM is only 21 this year so is not too much older than you really but SWIM did not try psychedelics until he was well over 19 and almost 20. In fact his first strong psychedelic trip occurred when he was 20 and that was on a high dose of dried Mexican Cubensis mushrooms...it blew SWIM's mind apart and he had a horrific time for much part of the trip and he couldn't imagine what such an experience would do to someone younger than him, especially a drug like LSD which is so much more intense an experience than psilocybin.
At the end of the day SWIY will make his mind up, bit as I have mentioned in SWIM's opinion SWIY should wait - about 3 or 4 years. That seems long but you will have matured a lot more in that time.

[its just a ride]

swim thinks that only swiy can answer that swim would say that he took shrooms and lsd before he was 18 and although he took a long (and sometimes dark) road that it helped him for the better and discover who he really was if swiy feels confident and ready like it "would" be a helpful expirence than swiy already knows the answer if swiy feels doubt for it then mabey wait whats the worst that can bring the answers are always within swiy's self noone else. hope this helped

its just a ride added 179 Minutes and 45 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by RaverHippie

my post was originally intended just to warn the poster above my post about self-incrimination. The other comment was the stubbornness of those my age not really accepting that a psychedelic drug at a young age can be a bad thing. It just seemed like they put it completely out of the realm of possibility and used the defense "it didn't happen to SWIM so that's the only evidence I'll use to create my judgment on the matter"

Usually I keep my ideas on close-mindedness to myself but I wasn't in a good mood the night I made the post a few days ago

and to raverhippie its not that people younger than you are stubborn(although many are)and just not accepting it its that only that person can say whats right for them sure a psychedelic drug at a young age can be bad but it could also be very good if used right its all in your perspective of things you know from swiy perspective they should wait till they are older and that "is" decent advice but a drug can also be somthing that aids in someones growing spiritually and mentally its all in how you use somthing

[Vitamin Airplane]

Never to try a psychedelic drug is like never experiencing sex. Especially LSD...I believe it should be a mandatory experience. If everyone had tried it at least once, I do believe it would be a different world. You only live once.