Opinions - Poor Quality Heroin In Scotland

[china cat]

Swim has been scoring bags in dundee recently and there is a lot of crap gear going about. In particular there is some that is cut with something that makes the gear go frosty on the foil. When swim melts it it goes brown but as the beetle of heroin hardens it starts going lighter and frosts up......kind of looks like chocolate that has melted and then hardened again.....know what swim means?

Anyone know what this cut is? Swim hadn't seen it until a couple of years ago and now there seems to be a lot more of it about.

Looks like swim will have to make a run to the NE of England to get some weight. This drought is starting to piss swim off.

[MotherSuperior]

Appernently down the road in London there is a rememergence of some pretty shit gear.... around here it's not too bad yet.... though SWIM is very lucky that SWIM can get morphine, get ascetic anhydride and knows what to do with them to make some pretty neat product

[beena]

Originally Posted by MotherSuperior

Appernently down the road in London there is a rememergence of some pretty shit gear.... around here it's not too bad yet.... though SWIM is very lucky that SWIM can get morphine, get ascetic anhydride and knows what to do with them to make some pretty neat product

Yep, down in London SWIM and friends have been getting sold a load of shitty brown with mannitol in it: shows up like little crystals in the cut....seems to be more mannitol than bloody heroin at the moment: everyones bitching about it. SWIM is also sticking to morphine tabs at the moment. At least SWIM knows what she's getting with them.

[china cat]

swimothersuperior...........that sounds pretty good. How'd swiy manage to get hold of the M or is that a trade secret?

Would swim be right in thinking that you're in Scotland too?

[MotherSuperior]

Not at all SWIM gets it prescribed from doc and knows a few people that sell their tablets... still not enough to put SWIM straight all the time but SWIM is trying to get more

SWIM is more suprised the AA was so easy to get.

And it's so easy to make M into GOOD 3,6DAM.

[china cat]

always thought that AA was a listed chemical and very hard to get hold of...........This shitty H that's going about is a real pain in the ass........swim has never tried to purify their street H by the method explained elsewhere in this forum but he's seriously considering doing it some time.

Still don't know what that cut is but swim supposes that it doesn't really matter.

With the poor poor quality of H thats on the streets in Dundee I sometimes wonder why people even bother having a habit.....the one good thing about it is that it reduces your tolerance..........swim's been doing some CWE on co-codamol........400mg of codeine never used to touch him but now it keeps him straight for several hours.........he'd far rather spend £1.50 on a packet of 8/500 codeine tablets than £20 on a couple of bags of shit. If swim buys that shit gear off people it only encourages the fuckers......they'll take another batch from their supplier who'll do the same with their supplier etc etc etc. I say boycott shit gear and make the suppliers import some good stuff! Swim might start a campaign.....get some t-shirts printed, flyers etc "Boycott Bad Brown",..... "Good Strong Heroin Now"...."Don't Exploit Heroin Addicts......Strong Smack Now" etc etc

Sorry that swims being a moaning bastard. He just needs a good bit of gear!!!!

[jon-q]

swim china***trust me it gets worse;the quality is that bad that swim-q now refers to frosty h as "THE GOOD STUFF"..I support your dont buy shite approach but with a habbit thats easier said than done.

[china cat]

jon-q......if it gets that bad up here swim is cleaning up......................maybe!

[Solinari]

Frosty? Is that different from "scab"? I think it's a silly name but that's what some people call it and it's usually a sign of very decent gear. Years ago when my fiend first starting playing with smack there was some gear going about known as china white, it was very light in colour, ran for ever on the foil and tasted like real candy, like the occasional whiff from a rolled up tooter. It probably wasn't heroin 4 but when smoked on the foil it would run with the middle basically staying solid and it looked like a scab.

As for the poor quality, my fiend hasn't been bothering with kit recently, he was getting a teenth for months until he got a teenth of that solidifying death muck, he ended up giving most of it back and the guy was very decent about it. After that he didn't get any until weeks later when he got a bag of some more grey death muck. The next time he scored was from close to the city centre, very decent gear cooked up perfectly with almost no residue, the last time was the same except much closer to home and the bag size was extremely poor.

It annoys me that some people are completely destroying gear with utter crap and i don't mean just a normal cut. What puzzles me even more is after totally fucking up one batch, it seems they are continuing to do it unless it's just left over shite they are trying to get rid of. I saw the news about the Afgahn harvest, supposed to be another record high, 25% up from last year. With this utter shite going about, surely some people are losing a lot of money.

[clint]

Originally Posted by Solinari

Frosty? Is that different from "scab"? I think it's a silly name but that's what some people call it and it's usually a sign of very decent gear. Years ago when my fiend first starting playing with smack there was some gear going about known as china white, it was very light in colour, ran for ever on the foil and tasted like real candy, like the occasional whiff from a rolled up tooter. It probably wasn't heroin 4 but when smoked on the foil it would run with the middle basically staying solid and it looked like a scab.

As for the poor quality, my fiend hasn't been bothering with kit recently, he was getting a teenth for months until he got a teenth of that solidifying death muck, he ended up giving most of it back and the guy was very decent about it. After that he didn't get any until weeks later when he got a bag of some more grey death muck. The next time he scored was from close to the city centre, very decent gear cooked up perfectly with almost no residue, the last time was the same except much closer to home and the bag size was extremely poor.

It annoys me that some people are completely destroying gear with utter crap and i don't mean just a normal cut. What puzzles me even more is after totally fucking up one batch, it seems they are continuing to do it unless it's just left over shite they are trying to get rid of. I saw the news about the Afgahn harvest, supposed to be another record high, 25% up from last year. With this utter shite going about, surely some people are losing a lot of money.

China white (actually more likely to be Thai) DOES NOT RUN! IT IS NOT SMOKEABLE! It's a Heroin#4, which is water soluble, no acids to play with, and made for injection unlike #3, the brown afghan shit which is for smoking. The only way to smoke the white is to buy 'base powder' which is often sold along with it, and place that under the white, the base uns and releases the fumes from the #4. My friend in Scotland has been moaning to me for about four or five months now about the absolute nonsense they are getting sold there. I'm sure he used to be on this board but I cn't find any of his posts.
And it is NOT just Scotland, it's a UK-wide thing. A year ago the average Afghan was about 53% and now you're lucky if it's 10-15%. I know of many who are buying small quantities from other countries and chancing the customs. I myself have sent my poor mate a good five or ten gs over the past couple of months, so at least he's getting a decent bit of gear.''
I think the answer in the mentime if yu can't find a foreign source and don't want to risk customs is to just go to your doc and get scripted up for some OC.

[Solinari]

Originally Posted by clint

China white (actually more likely to be Thai) DOES NOT RUN! IT IS NOT SMOKEABLE! It's a Heroin#4, which is water soluble, no acids to play with, and made for injection unlike #3, the brown afghan shit which is for smoking. The only way to smoke the white is to buy 'base powder' which is often sold along with it, and place that under the white, the base uns and releases the fumes from the #4. My friend in Scotland has been moaning to me for about four or five months now about the absolute nonsense they are getting sold there. I'm sure he used to be on this board but I cn't find any of his posts.
And it is NOT just Scotland, it's a UK-wide thing. A year ago the average Afghan was about 53% and now you're lucky if it's 10-15%. I know of many who are buying small quantities from other countries and chancing the customs. I myself have sent my poor mate a good five or ten gs over the past couple of months, so at least he's getting a decent bit of gear.''
I think the answer in the mentime if yu can't find a foreign source and don't want to risk customs is to just go to your doc and get scripted up for some OC.

I am well aware that it wasn't heroin 4 and that it doesn't run on foil. 10 - 15%? Where are these figures coming from? Just going to a doc to get oxycodone is not an option for the vast majority of heroin
users.

Originally Posted by jon-q

just how dark a brown is swiy talking about,if were talking like a mucky greyish/brown with the odd white fleck in it,then swim has goten himself a little bit tonight,and compared to the shite thats been around swims actualy quite pleased with it.

My fiend doesn't think it's a greyish brown but it does have the odd white fleck in it so it could well be the same stuff. My fiend thinks it's pretty good too actually, definitely doesn't solidify or anything like that but it is very dark in the syringe.

[china cat]

swim used to score in liverpool and they had some good gear that they called scabback......it was shit hot and when hard on the foil it looked like it had a scab on its back......funnily enough.

[SuicidalSoldier]

Originally Posted by china cat

Swim has been scoring bags in dundee recently and there is a lot of crap gear going about. In particular there is some that is cut with something that makes the gear go frosty on the foil. When swim melts it it goes brown but as the beetle of heroin hardens it starts going lighter and frosts up......kind of looks like chocolate that has melted and then hardened again.....know what swim means?

Anyone know what this cut is? Swim hadn't seen it until a couple of years ago and now there seems to be a lot more of it about.

Looks like swim will have to make a run to the NE of England to get some weight. This drought is starting to piss swim off.

swim had gear just like that a few weeks ago. in south lanarkshire. it was soo cool he says hah. bit dodgy but the stuff swim had was pretty good in terms of how many lines he got and the high.
swim is withdrawing just now an feels kinna shitty. ack well

[MotherSuperior]

Not looking good....

After making SWIMs H at home, SWIMs eyes are WIDE fuckin open to the shit we've been putting up with, really. AA is pretty easy to get in the UK, you can even buy it over the net if you have a card. M is a bit tougher but it seems that everyone knows someone in the community trying to sell their M(IR or SR does'nt matter).

But if SWIM has to SWIM will start converting Codeine into M, will need a load of codeien to make 200mg of H(like 5g's SWIM thinks), saying that in a few weeks time SWIMS partner picks up their Cocodamol 30/500*100tabs=3000mg or 3 grams, SWIM can always get codeine just using Pyridine to convert it in a Nitrogen Atmosphere might take some work. Rather that though then put up with this shit.

When SWIM made SWIMs H, SWIM could not believe the amount of money SWIM had paid for a product that was no where even near as good in any way.... stilll if SWIM had access to large amounts of enough Codeine it would HAVE to be done....

It can't go on like this.... the guys responsible fopr this are driving people lower down the chain into treatment(apparently according to SWIMS DDU it has been the busiest all year these past months....), SWIMS imagines these people are not going to be buying that shit while on meth. SWIM is not going to be buying it due to other options... if everyone started making their own M from codeine then accelated their M then they'd have better gear and maybe the drugs lords would start dealing with the situation(lol like that would happen).

Sad fact is that even the great MotherSWIM is going on another meth script in a week and a half, not had to do that for a long time and it's not so much the money but SWIM cannot anymore rely on there being good clean gear there when SWIM needs it(ie before going to work, out, or any places SWIM can't be clucking).

SWIM loves his opiates too much to give them up but this is the time oif the kitchen chemists! For UK swimmers to do what New Zealand SWIMers do and just make our own. The chemistry may look complicated but it's not.... SWIM thinks once SWIM gets the whole codeine>morphine>di-aceylmorphine thing(got M to H) SWIM will make a video showing how to do it(although is worried that someone may get hurt as it's not hard but theres some pretty nasty chemicals being used in these reactions).

Other than that, what can us UK swimmers do? Because everyones going into treatment the lists are long in SWIMS area, over 2 months(SWIM was waiting since July.... but then becuase SWIM gets other meds, SWIM is a special case).

In SWIMS opinion the Asian gangs seem to run the business though SWIM has met a few Jamacians who claim to have access to large amounts of high-quality H brought in from their own route.

Isn't there a story in Black Poppy magazine talking about the causes of the UK drought?

[Solinari]

Pyridine is some nasty shit apparently and i have no idea how AA can be obtained so easily without attracting attention.

[jon-q]

Originally Posted by Solinari

Pyridine is some nasty shit apparently and i have no idea how AA can be obtained so easily without attracting attention.

shit swim`s just orded acetic,hydro and ether online.lets hope its parcel force and not lancishires finest that deliver.

[davestate]

Originally Posted by Solinari

Pyridine is some nasty shit apparently and i have no idea how AA can be obtained so easily without attracting attention.

If you're a chem student, ANYTHING is possible.

[china cat]

Swi mother superior...................I can (with a little bit of light fingering ) get my hands on a fair amount of 30/500 codeine/para tablets.......

Re. converting this to morphine and then on to H..........How easy is the process? If swim had all the materials needed is it just a case of following instructions? When replying please note that swim got a C in their GCSE chemistry exam and haven't handled a test tube since.

How much average strength street heroin would 200mg of this extracted H be relative to?

Swim has seriously got to consider other ways of supplying himself with his opiates. Any advice much appreciated.

[Solinari]

As i said pyridine is a very very nasty chemical and apparently yields are low. I don't know anything about the chemistry, only what i have read and as for the actual process some of it may as well be in another language.

There was a thread a while ago asking about converting 1600 x 60mg of codeine tablets in the chemistry section and people there said the best thing to go for would be hydrocodone. The thread was called 1600 X 60mg Codeine Phosphate=? Heroin.

[Solinari]

Really? Hydrochloric acid? I don't think codeine to morphine to diamorphine is the way to go, maybe morphine to diamorphine. Acetic acid or acetic anhydride? Better make sure it isn't vinegar that's been ordered heh.

[jon-q]

Originally Posted by Solinari

Really? Hydrochloric acid? I don't think codeine to morphine to diamorphine is the way to go, maybe morphine to diamorphine. Acetic acid or acetic anhydride? Better make sure it isn't vinegar that's been ordered heh.

I jest:but all three inc'ACETIC ANHYDRIDE' can legaly be bought in the uk..although this may well arouse suspitions....................................

[Solinari]

Has anyone came across very dark brown heroin recently? My fiend ended up getting a bag today and the gear is very dark, definitely not red and it doesn't solidify or anything like that. He is wondering if anyone else has came across it.

[jon-q]

just how dark a brown is swiy talking about,if were talking like a mucky greyish/brown with the odd white fleck in it,then swim has goten himself a little bit tonight,and compared to the shite thats been around swims actualy quite pleased with it.

[jon-q]

whilst swiy clint is technicaly correct.china white became a term used in the mid 90`s over in the uk to describe top-top quality white heroin..

[china cat]

in the mentime if yu can't find a foreign source and don't want to risk customs is to just go to your doc and get scripted up for some OC.

Swiclint......I'm guessing that you're not in the Uk? My friend told me that doctors in the UK are very strict about prescribing any drugs of abuse let alone oxy........for a lot of people going to the doctor to get a supply of opiates is just not an option.....unfortunately.

He also wrote this

"I was working in the south of scotland today so after I'd finished I carried on down to Preston to pick up........the situation down there is pretty much the same as it is in Dundee however after much fannying about I managed to get a measly Henry of some ok gear....a few months ago I would have said that it was shit but I'm on the nod tonight for the first time in God knows so it must be ok."


This dealer enforced habit reduction programme is starting to piss swim off.