Health - Nitrous, Breathing, and Oxygen Deprivation

[fiveleggedrat]

What exactly happens with the body when someone completely dissociates on nitrous? Do they continue to breathe? Or do they not breath during the peak?

Swim asks such because he wants to know how serious the risk for oxygen deprivation and brain damage is from doing balloons back to back, with no oxygen in between. Say, only 3-5. Not really doing cases nonstop. Just reaching the point where one cannot physically inhale the nitrous anymore because Swiy forget how to function.

Swim definitely knows being hooked up to a constant flow of pure nitrous is death. This is well documented, and this thread does not relate to a constant flow of nitrous, only balloon-style usage.

Swim usually does his nitrous alone now, this is why he asks. Does not want someone to find him blue in the morning, holding a deflated balloon.

Swim had an lousy experience with nitrous once (3 ballons in less than 1 minute) where he "came back" and was afraid he had damaged his brain. He felt he had passed out cold for over 5 minutes and possibly caused oxygen deprivation because time was distorted a clean 30+ minutes after he came back, and has never had that happen before. Of course, sleep took care of it, and he was perfectly fine the next day.

Swim also welcomes discussion of nitrous and breathing in general in this thread, apart from the original issue mentioned. Any information is appreciated.

[razorwiredildo]

As far as swim knows, nitrous does not cause one to stop breathing. Swim has tried just taking straight nitrous with no O2 for several consecutive hits, and he might not have realized he was breathing at the time, but now he knows he was. The worst that could happen is to pass out from oxygen deprivation and then star breathing then. I thing the brain can go about 3-4 mins without oxygen before it starts to die, so if one breaths before then it should be alright.

[geezaman]

Originally Posted by fiveleggedrat

...Swim had an lousy experience with nitrous once (3 balloons in less than 1 minute) where he "came back" and was afraid he had damaged his brain. He felt he had passed out cold for over 5 minutes and possibly caused oxygen deprivation because time was distorted a clean 30+ minutes after he came back, and has never had that happen before. Of course, sleep took care of it, and he was perfectly fine the next day...

What lead SWIY to believe they had brain damage? The residual and "hangover" effects of many drugs including alcohol might lead someone to believe they had damaged themselves never to return to full function, until thankfully most SWIMs/SWIYs do.
SWIM also finds an interest in how breathing rates are effected by nitrous, many people SWIM mixes with seem to be able to breathe in and out of a balloon recycling the gas for much longer than SWIM would expect they could hold their breath, SWIM wonders if nitrous's anesthetic effects aid this, or simply the action of inhaling and exhaling even oxygen-less gas satisfies the body's desire in some way.

SWIM has knocked himself out more than a few times with nitrous sometimes only realizing on waking the next day to 3 prepared but (by then) much deflated balloons. He is not bragging in saying this but adding his living evidence to the case that one can survive being KO'd by nitrous.

SWIM always thought that the body going into a state of unconsciousness was so it could do its best to preserve and mend itself, in the case of nitrous loosing consciousness simply being the body saying "Ive told you you need air, your not doing what you need to so I'm gonna take over"

SWIM is hoping someone with good medical knowledge will contribute their wisdom to this thread.
Peace
Geezaman

[fiveleggedrat]

It was the time distortion that persisted after the high was over. As in, Swim was walking around his house, with a fucked up time perception. He would move his hands in front of his face and it looked like claymation, and all fluid like when he is on a low nitrous dose. It was like persisting effects of a low nitrous dose (maybe half-1 balloon with no pot).

This was previously never experienced before. Usually, Swim comes back, and nothing is happening. He is completely sober, minus the residual pot high. The nitrous, other than a funny mental feeling, has no effects. Swim was having a panic attack with the time distortion going on. He looked into a mirror and froze, being unable to break his visual contact with the mirror. It was horribly unpleasant, perhaps one of Swim's worst drug experiences.

Balloons maybe last a minute or so each when fully stoned for Swim, and After Swim did three in a minute or two all at once, holding the Nitrous in for about 20-30 seconds each hit.

[geezaman]

That after effect does sound slightly odd, at least from SWIMs own experiences. Has SWIY indulged in nitrous since that occasion, SWIM is not suggesting SWIY should, but if they already have it would be interesting to know if anything similar occurred. Does SWIY have any idea whether they banged their head in passing out?
peace
Geezaman

[El Calico Loco]

Air hunger is caused by the buildup of CO2; if one's body is not getting any oxygen, then it won't be creating carbon dioxide, thus one will not feel the need to breathe. One can hold one's breath until unconsciousness on N2O.

I'm not sure how bad it is for his brain. My friend Swim has passed out several times this way, and seems no worse for wear.

But I suspect it's better not to let things get to that point. He once inhaled a bunch of nitrous and held his breath HARD, determined to follow the rabbit hole all the way down. He thinks he may have continued holding even after the lights went out, so to speak - until his heart screamed at him. The palpitation was "loud" (to his perception) and scary; he released his breath immediately.

Oxygen is good food.


ECL

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Thankyou VERY useful info in first lines

[fiveleggedrat]

Swim did fall into rather "deep" points, but then again, Swim has been doing the "hold in in long as you can" method. Usually ends up around 15-60 seconds depending on dose.

Above Swim is better, and has attempted nitrous after the bad time, and all was good and normal.

Swim learned the HUGE importance of PERFECT set/setting in regards to nitrous/pot combos. To not have a perfect environment where Swim is happy and completely content is to ask for a horrible trip of panicking trying to change enviroment whilst high on nitrous, which ends up messy.

Holding it in seems to be a pretty straight-shot into deep nitrous territory from how others speak of it. It's all Swim knows. The breathing in-out in a balloon or taking breaths imbetween never made a lot of sense to Swim, but Swim is coming from inhaling nothing but pot/dope smoke.

[idaknown]

While it seems many are concerned bout a source for NO2, a source for O2 , oxygen is important..and easier to get. adding o2 , not air, OXYGEN will let someone experience a high while avoiding passing out-neurotoxic effects

[acid_phlux]

Swim has recently been indulging in Nitrous fairly heavily and found that on Swims max limit of 4 consecutive balloons Swim really didnt have enough lung capacity left to continue to the stage where passing out could occur however that is just Swim and it may be different for others.

Also Swim may be wrong but since it is N20 is that not 2 part nitrous to 1 parts oxygen therefore although your not getting the normal amount of oxygen you are still getting some.

Just for the record Swim uses the breath in/out technique with the balloons and then holds in the last amount for as long as possible- any tips on a better way Swim would appreciate.

Swim actually found quite quickly that it had diminishing returns and has since initiated a cool down period so Swim can get back to how it first felt.

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Misinformation. No usable O2 from N2O.