Open Wound Drug Administration

[fiveleggedrat]

Swim has been hearing references to open wound drug admin for a good while now, usually while reading about opium/heroin and it's history in Southeast Asia. After searching here, Swim only saw one reference to it, in relation to heroin. Only the OP had anything to say about it, really.

This thread is being started to open information, discussion, and opinions on open would administration of drugs. Swim does not really know if that's what they call it, but Swim is coining that term as it is simple to type/remember and Swim feels it will not cause confusion.

As far as Swim's knowledge goes, the process relates to cutting or creating a wound in the body and putting into the wound an active substance. Obviously only pure or high strength substances would relate to this method.

Swim's had heard of people comparing it in effects to IV. Usually such happens in poorer regions modernly, where access to needles is an issue, but that method is still preferred. Swim also believes this method to not be exactly "new", but perhaps a few centuries old, at least. At least in recreational terms, not medicinal.

Swim expects overwhelmingly negative opinions, but expects as much when it is very possibly dangerous. Of course, anyone interested would have to take extreme precautions to avoid infection, and use pure substances. Also, scarring would be an obvious side effect, and a very visible one too. This really is not a method for common or habitual usage.

Also, this is not just in relation to heroin, but intended for consideration of other substances.

If somehow this is against the rules or too controversial to stay here, Swim understands if it gets deleted. Swim just sees a good opportunity to create intelligent discussion regarding something not often heard about. If this in the wrong area, Swim apologises as he was unsure as to where this would go. Please move/delete as fit.

Feel free to share, positive or negative.


Swim'll start.

Swim personally is fascinated by such, as Swim is sure anyone who does self-harm/mutilation/whatever you would call it. Swim personally does not, but sees an appeal in it. Swim would seriously consider doing it, but then again, Swim has his own issues. Swim has done his own piercings, and would do his own body modification in the department of intention scarring. Always been fascinated by scars, personally. Swim would possibly use purified heroin or similar drugs in this method. Swim has issues with needle usage. Swim always swore them off, and is having difficulty accepting that he wants to use them. Swim feels this method would be more acceptable, believe it or not. Mostly because the obvious scarring would be a deterrent from common usage. Swim only uses strong substances once in a blue moon, really though.

[Coconut]

My tree says he does not see the point in administering drugs through wounds. Intentionally damaging one's body in order to get high is, in his opinion, a foolish venture. The risks of scarring, infection and accidentally slicing open a vein are too great.

If one wants to get a substance straight into the circulatory system, why not just do it by way of intravenous injection? My tree thinks that there are fewer potential dangers associated with injection than with deliberately wounding oneself.

He does not see how this could be more acceptable than IV.

[drug-bot]

why not just iv. if they dont have acsess to needles why not just snort it, it would most likely cross the blood brain barrier alot faster and with a higher percentage of it. theres no way putting heroin in a wound would have the same effect as iv'ing, as it must first be absobed (poorly) then make its way to the brain, like swim said snorting or smoking will more than likely hit the brain faster with less drug loss than putting it in a wound.

swim will stick to iv when he indulges in H, its alot safer (when clean needle, and cleaning of spoon, hands and injection site with an alcohol swab) than just slashing one self, alot more bacteria most likely will get in to the blood stream, just cant be that safe and clean.

[old hippie 56]

Or the person could just drill a hole in his skull and pour the dope right in.
Seems like alot of trouble just to get high.

[fiveleggedrat]

The whole point of this thread is to discuss the above method from a historian/researcher standpoint. No one is asking advice for/against doing the above method. This thread is for information primarily. I'm pretty sure everyone reading the OP can figure out risks, if not by just reading the post. Also, definitely not promoting this method to anyone.

Swim mentions several places where/why this method happens, as well as motivations.

Swim will personally cut himself before putting a needle in his arm, safety issues aside. It's just preference.

Swim can put a blade to his flesh, but will currently refrain from putting a drill to his skull. Then again, would not mind an instant "dump the dope here and get high" hole.

[Coconut]

Originally Posted by fiveleggedrat

The whole point of this thread is to discuss the above method from a historian/researcher standpoint. No one is asking advice for/against doing the above method. This thread is for information primarily. I'm pretty sure everyone reading the OP can figure out risks, if not by just reading the post.

The original post asks for our opinions, which have been given. The dangers may be obvious to most people but I imagine anyone who feels this is not a good idea would be inclined to outline why. I still do not understand why this method would be more acceptable than intravenous injection. I doubt scarring would deter someone who is determined to use.

In order to administer a drug through an open wound, would the cut not have to be of a significant size and depth? If the wound only damaged capillaries, which are extremely narrow, absorption would likely be slow and generally ineffective in my opinion. Not only that, but the blood would clot quickly. For effective administration, a vein would have to be cut open, and the very idea of doing this deliberately is insane.

[drug-bot]

Originally Posted by fiveleggedrat

The whole point of this thread is to discuss the above method from a historian/researcher standpoint. No one is asking advice for/against doing the above method.

swims not trying to be a dick but your first post contradicts this-

Originally Posted by fiveleggedrat

This thread is being started to open information, discussion, and opinions on open would administration of drugs.
Feel free to share, positive or negative.

[doublezero]

i cant remember the name of the film, but some one got shdot or stabbed in the stomache, obviously a drug dealer as he had a kilo of coke on him, whilst dying from the wound he rubbed a large amount of coke into the wound

wen access to iv equipment in the early - mid 1900's were limited people used to skin pop, gauge a hole in the arm, and get a dropper filled with heroin/coke mixed with water and put the tip of the dropper over the hole and slowly force the solution through the hole, the solution would go underneath the skin and be obsorbed into the system this way,....... thats the closest ive come to this method of wound adminastration

[drug-bot]

Originally Posted by doublezero

wen access to iv equipment in the early - mid 1900's were limited people used to skin pop, gauge a hole in the arm, and get a dropper filled with heroin/coke mixed with water and put the tip of the dropper over the hole and slowly force the solution through the hole, the solution would go underneath the skin and be obsorbed into the system this way,....... thats the closest ive come to this method of wound adminastration

swim also heard about doing that, in the book junky by william burroughs, that some junkies would do it when they had no accsess to needles. theyd use a eye dropper and sharpen its edge put a hole in the skin and slowly(so it doesnt come leaking back out) inject/insert the solution.

also, skin popping tradionally refers to people who inject heroin from a needle underneath the skin, not in a vein or muscle. swim only experienced this a few times accidently when he was shooting up and the needle must have slipped out of his vein, it causes a burning and numb sensation and takes like 5 or 10 minutes to feel the heroin and get over the anger of missing the vein.

[doublezero]

swim also read about it thru bill burroughs, naked lunch..... at the back of naked lunch it has an early list of the effects of different substances, bit out dated to be mentioned on this forum, william burroughs would of felt right at home on this site. the book yage letters he wrote with allen ginsberg talked about Salvia Divinorium experiences and other tribal drugs......

[carbon_crash]

My friend has read something in the past, just as fiveleggedrat, where people in poorer countries who have no needles use H this way.

My friend has yet to use H but is considering it and if she were to use it, she believes it would be this way do to her love of ritualistic drug use. My friend has a fear of needles, although she probably would be fine if someone else stuck her. However she was also a previous cutter so she already has multiple scars, she figures she would just cut over one continuously as to avoid new scars.

Although my friend defiantly sees how this method would not be for everyone and how it is not the most effective way of use.

[fiveleggedrat]

Now this is getting productive.

Sorry If Swim was a contradicting ass or whatnot. Felt the thread was going into "Oh noes dont do it man!" type thing, as opposed to really discussing it.

[old hippie 56]

Heard of people making poultice using marijuana as a healing agent. Why couldn't one use other substances? Save the skin from cutting.

[Ontherooftops]

Its quite common in certain circles to do this with LSD. A deep scratch or wide cut is made on the top layer of the skin and piece of blotter is placed over it, usually with a bandaid on top. Apparently it works quite well. LSD always hit plenty fast enough for swim, he'd certainly never consider it.

Also had a friend who used a small scorpion statuete to administer DMT. He would scratch behind his ear with the stinger and then rub DMT into the scratch. No idea if this did anything, but he swore it did. At that particular time in his life this friend was more in other worlds than ours, distinguishing the effect of DMT from psilocybin, MDA, and LSD wouldn't be very possible in this swim's opinion.

[fiveleggedrat]

Lovely, everyone please continue to share

Learning a lot of new things.

[fiveleggedrat]

Swim thinks he will personally be attempting this method using something in the morphine family sometime soon. Pure, of course.

[drug-bot]

Originally Posted by fiveleggedrat

Swim thinks he will personally be attempting this method using something in the morphine family sometime soon. Pure, of course.

if you do, swim hopes you clean your cutting device (preferably with alcohol swabs), and also clean the area you plan on cutting with an alcohol swab, also make sure to wash hands. after your little experiment is done make sure you clean the wound, bandage it and just properly take care of it. dont to forget to report your findings.

[xxxSuSHixxx]

SwiPF would do it if it acctually made his klonopin DO something >_>;;

*hacks off a leg and dips bloody stub in klonopin powder*

[Richard_smoker]

this is generally accepted as the lowest form of putting drugs into one's system. former posters are right, this practice shares the name "skin popping" with injecting just under the epidermis. probably because the wounds come from infected abcesses that originate FROM skin popping with a needle.

if swiy has ever seen a crack addict with open sores and wounds on forearms and legs...the red, beefy tissue of a healing wound is called granulation tissue. it's extremely vascular, and thus, will quickly absorb drugs from the environment. Placing drugs into a wound will tend to maintain the wound state, and if the action is habitual, then the wound will never heal.

not very smart for someone who values health. skin is the most elementary boundary against disease and infection. iv drug use is bad enough, in terms of introducing elements from the environment into the bloodstream. people who use this method have a continuously-breached protective barrier. HIV, AIDS, Hepatitis C & B, Necrotizing fasciitis (flesh-eating bacteria) all go hand-in-hand with this method.

Big-dickedfleamarketchihuaha, I know you didn't want to hear about how bad this method is, but dude, there are some things that I wouldn't even do to my worst enemy. this is one.
-DICK

[xxxSuSHixxx]

SwiPF is gonna say...... he wouldent do it just for risk of infection...

[beena]

SWIM has in the past administered heroin on open wounds - although that was back in the day when she regularly self-harmed - so the wounds were there anyway - haven't cut SWIM-self for over a year now ...

SWIM has also read that applying heroin to open wounds is the preffered method of administration in certain eastern countries like China ...

[fiveleggedrat]

If/whenver Swim does, he would be VERY safe. Like any other usage, precautions to take. Clean area, clean tools/equipment, pure substances, isolation from any/everything that Swim can think of that could contaminate. Just like if Swim IV'd or did anything "forceful" drug usage, all about preparation. It would also be a one time only thing, most likely. Swim is not about to become addicted or start cutting all over all the time. Just an experiment and an experience =]

[Jatelka]

The flamingo answered yes, from a purely hypothetical standpoint.

She would like to qualify though: If said wound was already available, and clean, and the only available iv access was via a junior doctor in the Uk (or a junky), she would go for open wound every time

(this is probably where she should put a "sarcasm smiley")

From a historical/cultural perspective though, this subject is fascinating. She's sure she has a paper somewhere about early anaesthesia and open wound administration (goes off rummaging...)

[Handle]

Yes, I've heard of this one in Plants of the Gods by Richard Evans Schultzes and Albert Hoffman [or summick like it]

but it was an hallucinogen, and they didn't do it regularly, it was only for a particular ritual, they would make slices in the forehead, and rub it in good there, about four to six slices, then just let the bloody mix ooze into their system.

Sounds nuts, but I guess it would compare to IM or SC in effects.

Lony if you ask me, but pretty ingenious for ye olde ancient tribesmen.

Africa I think

[Politicalchalk]

really depends on the specific drug and circmstance. dosing is difficult. cocaine for instance, would make a dandy topical anesthetic for an open wound, but swim is unsure about absorbtion. suppose purity is an issue too. Opium seems like it'd be more effective is just eaten if nothing else, but don't know that it would help with say, putting a chunk of opium in a stab wound. needles only if you know what you're doing, and swim generally discourages the non-trained population from their use. The army though has this nift lil contraption that injects, among other things, diazepam as an emergy anti-nerve toxin agent, probably has some pain reliever in there too. you take it out, put it to your arm, and hit a button. anyways...

psychedelics are an entirely different story. swim's heard stories about jimi hendrix also taking entheogens from slits in the head. tripping in pain seems like it'd kinda suck though.

probably wouldn't, but the idea is def. fascinating